AMD releases HD 7000M - mobile 7700M/7800M/7900M series

Consider the amount of funds required to increase production capacity. I believe I read somewhere TSMC will only increase capacity by 10% this year.

 

No point increasing capacity if yields are the problem.

 

I'm not so certain the production shortages are intentional. The customers have a huge stake in manufacturing facilities and often have performance metrics on production. There are often penalties if the producer can't meet certain production targets and will have to give back money to the customers, like AMD and NVIDIA.

 

I see where you are getting at (low volume = high prices in the market) but I don't think this is the case, because this is something like the sales of butter, the profit margin per product is not too much (for TSMC, not for nvidia/amd), it should be barely above the production cost (usually the final product has a good profit margin, but this is the intermediate product which is used in the production line of other companies, like the profit margin of raw iron is crazy low), and I guess they should produce like crazy to break even.. I think there is a different problem they are going through right now (maybe the production line is faulty? not able to produce chips upto expectations/standards?)

 

So are there any projected release dates of the 7970M?

Or are we going to guess it's around the same time IB releases? I swear, if it won't release until after summer starts, i'll just get a 675M. I need a functional laptop before summer.

 

Someone in one of the relevant threads (I don't know which one offhand) ordered a 2012 Sager/Clevo with 7970M (and I think Ivy) and it's due to ship out in 2-3 weeks. They're in Portugual IIRC so who knows what that means for the rest of the world.

We certainly don't have official dates (or even unofficial dates) yet, but between that and the rumored Alienware m17x/m18x refresh (check the 680M benchmark topic), at this point it would surprise me if at least the 7970M wasn't released alongside Ivy. I still believe that once AMD releases the 7970M that Nvidia will push up the launch of the 680M, but I don't know how close they can make it.

In other words, one way or another, we'll have more information once Ivy launches; even lack of information at that point would tell us something.

 

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Ah, yes, I remember that post. So it is most likely set around IB release. Got it. Thanks, I'm definitely waiting for that; holding off buying a P150EM w/ SB and a 675M for now.

 

Do you guys think 7970m + Ivy B, will be similar to GTX 675m + Ivy b?

Price wise**

 

I sure damn hope so

 

If that happened on same model no one would buy the gtx 675m model or if they did less then 1% would. The 7970m 28nm top end card vs old gen top end card/

 

Wasn't it that way with the 6970M?

 

40nm was 6000m and 40nm was also the 5000m mainly.

Why would anyone get a 40nm card over a 28nm more powerful less power hungry card unless it costs to much then just get a mid range card that performs the same as old card.

 

they wouldn't.

maybe amd will try to step up their game in the mobile cards area, as they are getting their butts kicked in the desktop

wishful thinking...

 

haha wouldn't it be good marketting if amd priced similar performing (yet less power hungry) cards with simlar hot fermi cards, to draw away sales from nvidia?

 

People, I was the one that ordered P170EM with 7970M, and I'm hoping to get it by the end of the month
If I get it sooner I'll post and say something ( but i doubt that )

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About price, the diference between the same model with GTX 675M and 7970M was around 100€ give or take, talking about the model P150EM DIY(Do It Yourself). I didn't saw the P170EM DIY with GTX 675, but the diference should be the same.

 

Since it looks like you will be the first person on Planet Earth to have a 7970M, please keep us posted.

 

man, will be waiting your answer on this thread congratz on the new beastie!!

 

Alright, so the difference between the 7970M and the 675M is around $168 (if you factor in the different markets in Portugal and America).

@#!@

 

pastapvz, very nice! Please keep us posted)

 

Awaken i maybe be wrong but I'm under the impression that prices normally are similar here and in the US, i'm only talking about the numbers not the currency,
Ex: Asus G74 laptop is around 1500€, in the US is around 1500$

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Apple products like ipad 2 cost around 399€ and in US 399$, ( 16G wifi), and many other products.
So if that is the case if the diference between the 7970M and GTX 675 is around +- 100€ , it should be around +- 100$.
But maybe I'm wrong

 

Oh. Then it might make more sense then... so it'll be around $100... sweet!

 

ok, nvidia did turbo boost, what if amd did hyper threading and this is the reason these mobile parts have ridiculous amount of shaders? BTW I realized one thing, we were talking about 7970m but the rumors (indeed crazy) are saying 7950m is 50W TDP AND 4.2k 3dmark11, HOW?!! (I mean that is like gtx 660m SLI with the same TDP..)

 

Notebookcheck.net has posted estimated rankings of the 7730m, 7750m, 7950m and 7970m - all based on rumors I suppose, but they seem to compare quite favorably to the Kepler mobile cards.

 

thx for the links movie - wow that 7950 looks awesome
50W sounds so nice...

 

All of us should pray hard that performance jumped that much. Revolutionary increase.

 

I believe the 7970M specs are probably bs, or the TDP is wrong and there will be no 7990M this time around. I mean, take a look at the desktop Radeon 7950 ; it has 1792 cores and a 800mhz core clock and its TDP is by all means way too high for a mobile GPU. Shave off 256 cores and now with a bit of binning you get enough chips that magically fits in our laptops with a TDP of just 65W ? Pile of crap imo.

 

This sounds like the most sensible explanation to me.

It would explain why the early 7000m are all 40nm renames.

 

exactly, but world at large seems to believe this early leaked specs by techarp.com, crazy..

 

Wait, so what does the desktop 7870 look like? Just saying, that should be what the 7970M is going to be based off.

 

Yep exactly. Pitcairn (Radeon 7850/7870) is the perfect candidate for the new high-end mobile chips : small, efficient, powerful.

 

Place me with the camp of those who don't at all even almost for a split second believe the 7970M will be a paltry 65W, and just barely edging out the 675M.

Maybe those could be the specs for a 7 770M or 7 870M, but it's unfathomable that the flagship of the new generation will come to port as slow as the 6990M which came before it.

 

I think 5-10% better than the performance of 6990m at 65W is crazy good already.. I hope that there will be a 100W card (7990m) which will be 30% at least better though, if 7970m will be the flagship then that would be a disappointment I agree

 

AMD to survive and thrive, still? by VR-Zone.com

Last sentence of this article.

"The GPUs will continue to be the crown jewel of the company till then, though... expect new high end mobile HD7900 series later this month, and Sea Islands by yearend"

 

AMD has not much problems with 28nm chips thus far, and they are so tight-lipped. Why, we do not know. But one thing is for sure. AMD is focused on optimising efficiency, speed to market that is very important. Going forward, we can probably see Nvidia getting mired by their incompetence to adapt designs quickly for new nodes. (see the following: Nvidia deeply unhappy with TSMC, claims 20nm essentially worthless | ExtremeTech)

 

It's possible that AMD is tight-lipped about their upcoming cards because they want to avoid leakage.
Then there's an option that they might want to 'live up' to certain expectations and beat Nvidia this time around with efficiency/performance.
They could also be busy implementing proper software support, and possibly mayb pushing OpenCL to other developers for use in various software so that both the cpu/gpu could be utilized to the fullest.

 

I hope these mobile cards implement the same hardware acceleration for partially resident textures as the desktop Southern Islands cards.

http://images.anandtech.com/galleries/1601/PRT0_575px.jpg

 

Whew that's a relief. I can't stand waiting much longer :x it sucks to be impatient. After IB + 7970M... ohyes ohyes

 

Allright, I had the energy today to compare GPUs. Hopefully you guys can understand my reasoning and my train of thoughts and lets get bottom to the 7970M rumors that been floating around. Skip all the way to the bottom if you don`t want to see boring math and see the conclusion I came to

6970M is based on 6850.

6850:
3DMark11 GPU score: 3511
3DMark Vantage GPU score: 14198

6970M:
3DMark11 GPU score: 2821 (80% of 6850)
3DMark Vantage GPU score: 11384 (80% of 6850)

6970M gives roughly 80% of 6850 performance.

TDP/power consumption difference?
6850: 127W
6970M: 75-100W
Difference: 59-79% of 6850

7970M will most likely be based on 7850.

7850:
3DMark11 GPU Score: 5042
3DMark Vantage GPU score: 19863
TDP/Power consumption: 101W

If mobile GPUs see the same performance increase as desktop did, 7970M should score:

7970M
3DMark11 GPU score: 5042 * 0.8 = 4033
3DMark Vantage GPU score: 19863 * 0.8 = 15890

According to some sources 7970M should either be equal to 580M or 35% better in benchmarks than 6990M.

Lets find out.

6990M:
3DMark11 GPU score: 3238
3DMark Vantage GPU score: 13341

Difference compared to my calculated 7970M:
3DMark11 GPU score: 3238 vs 4033
Difference: 7970M score 25% better

3DMark Vantage GPU score: 13341 vs 15890
Difference: 7970M score 19% better

Average benchmark performance increase with 7970M: 22%

What about TDP/Power consumption claims of 65W? Do it fit with what we have seen thus far from desktops?

6970M saw 59-79% power draw of 6850.
7850 TDP/power consumption: 101W
59% of 101W = 60W
79% of 101W = 80W

Conclusion:

If 7970M follow the same performance increase as 7850 saw compared to 6850, we can expect 22% better performance with 7970M compared to 6990M and a power consumption of 60W-80W.

It is not entirely right on the nail with the rumors we have heard, but it is very close and 22% better performance than the 100W 6990M and 60-80% of the power consumption. That is pretty darn impressive if you ask me!

 

Thanks for the calculations Cloudfire! If 7970m indeed follows these specs, then obviously it will hit the sweet spot for gaming (especially I would love to xfx it, and maybe we could have xfx laptops for < 10lb, oh sweet dreams )

 

You can't be 35% faster than the 6990M and equal to the 580M. The difference between them is much MUCH smaller.

 

That's sweet! I'm glad I waited for this instead of getting the 675M

 

Again, who knows how they came up with their calculations, but for what it's worth, notebookcheck.net ranks the 7970m as significantly superior to the 580m, not equal

http://www.techarp.com/article/Mobile_GPU_Comparison/ati_4_big.png

http://dell.benyouhui.it168.com/thread-2001911-1-1.html

 

Guys, please read what I`m writing. I said rumors was 7970M equal to 580M OR 35% faster than 6990M. Not AND

 

why not just say equal to or around 35% faster than 580m/6990m

 

Whatever

 

When writing comparisons, it helps to keep a common base line.

 

The key here is actually scaling. If SI does not lose performance as rapidly as previous architectures when downclocked, there is a possibility that the 35% may be true. AMD could have some tricks up their sleeves like Nvidia did.

 

I am very curious what if they have hyper threading in their sleeves, because clearly 7970m having 1536 shaders is a joke

 

A man can dream can't he? : P

 

I hope this rumor of the 7970m coming out later this month. If 7970 is out with Ivy Bridge and it costs the same as the GTX 670m but outperforms it; hopefully it is similar to GTX 580m or GTX 675m? This would be one of the best sweet spot deals ever for gamers and designers. 7970, 8 GB RAM, 3610 Ivy Bridge, 120GB SSD, 500GB HD = Killer rig for $1500. Sold if this comes true