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    AMD releases HD 7000M - mobile 7700M/7800M/7900M series

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by yknyong1, Mar 28, 2012.

  1. Cloudfire

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    Here are the specs that are all over the internet right now. Hopefully we will see review of the 7970M 24th April

     
    Cloudfire, Apr 21, 2012
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    I want there to be 1536 shaders in the 7970M... but Dell is telling us no :(
     
    SkittlesXD, Apr 21, 2012
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    maxheap caparison horus :)

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    7970m is 1280 spus, confirmed by a member of our alienware community.
     
    maxheap, Apr 21, 2012
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    SkittlesXD, Apr 21, 2012
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    Pitcairn is a 1280 max shader core, if it was more it would have to be a tahiti core.

    In those charts the frequency does not match up to the power consumption or performance numbers and is therefore fake.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Apr 21, 2012
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  6. Cloudfire

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    Holy mother of god. Seriously, I take back whatever I said about 7970M. I can`t believe this insane (!!) performance increase over VLIW. 7970M GPU score is 69% over 6990M.

    Oh well, looks like I will be feasting on the upcoming 7950 or maybe this one. I don`t know yet... :D :D

    [​IMG]
     
    Cloudfire, Apr 21, 2012
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  7. yknyong1

    yknyong1 Radiance with Radeon

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    Somehow the empty vessel (NVIDIA) makes the most noise! :D
    I'm grad AMD kept quiet for the pleasant surprise! :)
     
    yknyong1, Apr 21, 2012
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  8. yknyong1

    yknyong1 Radiance with Radeon

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    yknyong1, Apr 21, 2012
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    ryzeki Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    Haha see Cloud? You gotta trust us! and damm thats a fine gpu right there. Its not like nvidia has bad texh, its just that they havent released anything. The runored specs we already knew were too low and with the realization of how the new cores are less powerful we already knew that anything besides gt650eas a bit of a letdown with rebranding

    This is good because nvidia can now fire back with an amazing gpu of their oen instead of being overconfident.
     
    ryzeki, Apr 21, 2012
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  10. lordbaldric

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    This chart is bunk.
     
    lordbaldric, Apr 21, 2012
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  11. awakeN

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    Holy mother loving piece of -

    are you sure this is actually legit and not some sort of skewed result? I see the 4/21/12 in the taskbar of the window... if this is true, how is the 7970M cheaper than the 675M?

    Wayyy too cheap for the peformance is giving. Too good to be true...
     
    awakeN, Apr 21, 2012
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  12. DEagleson

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    AMD usually keep their hardware competitive and even though the 675m is a rebranded 580m its still costly to make.
     
    DEagleson, Apr 21, 2012
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    if kepler seems to be good would the maxwell chip be great or even worth the wait
     
    rekeyroberts, Apr 21, 2012
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    :eek:

    I just can't imagine this card being cheaper than the 675, especially when we know so little about the 680.
     
    dwalk321, Apr 21, 2012
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    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Good lord he finally saw the light. When will people trust what I say (when it is based on proper analysis).

    This is why I said if the GTX680M only scores 4500 it will be an epic failure.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Apr 21, 2012
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  16. Cloudfire

    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    I trust no one. Probably thats why I have learned everything the hard way in life. :D
    But yeah, you were right on the head with your 3DMark11 prediction. Well done

    Now, I wonder, do you think AMD will launch some other 79xx cards at the same time 24th? 7950M? And what TDP/Power consumption do you guys think it will have + the performance compared to 580M?
     
    Cloudfire, Apr 21, 2012
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  17. Cloudfire

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    Guys, new rumors. Don`t know if its a bad one or good but suddenly the 7970M = 100W starts to make sense. Don`t quote me on this but this is the new rumor going on right now.

    MXM3.1 is just about ready. Previous module had a limit of 100W. They have now cleared the way to raise the power consumption limit to 130W!

    And that puts the 7950 in to place as well.

    7950M: 60-75W
    7970M: 100W
    7990M: 130W

    Good grief :p
     
    Cloudfire, Apr 21, 2012
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  18. DEagleson

    DEagleson Gamer extraordinaire

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    So if we go by this that means the HD 7990m would only work in the newest notebook models?
    Either way im saving my money for a HD 7970m, its gonna be a great upgrade coming from the HD 6970m. ;D
    More GPGPU power and better tesselation. (i hope)
     
    DEagleson, Apr 21, 2012
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    3.1 is just pci-express 3. We also know its backwards compatible.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Apr 21, 2012
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    I think a 7950M is going to be 75W and 25-30% faster than the 580M.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Apr 21, 2012
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  21. Cloudfire

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    Yeah I think that too. Anything under that is for the 78xx cards. I can`t go over 75W, that is too hot for my comfort. So hopefully AMD will announce both 7970M and 7950M on Tuesday. :)

    But I can`t help but wonder how beastly the 130W GPUs will be. Man we are getting closer to high end desktops now.
     
    Cloudfire, Apr 21, 2012
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    moviemarketing, Apr 21, 2012
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    Must buy a 7970m to dump into my M15x. Must. Buy. It.
     
    _Josh, Apr 22, 2012
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  24. long2905

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    you and me both :D
     
    long2905, Apr 22, 2012
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  25. maxheap

    maxheap caparison horus :)

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    Welcome the future...

    All love goes to SlickDude80
     
    maxheap, Apr 22, 2012
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    Maxwell is supposed to be 2014, last I heard. You might be waiting a while...
     
    Threshold, Apr 22, 2012
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    If you know a launch is but weeks away then wait, but just after a gen launch unless there were holdups you will be waiting a long while for a refresh.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Apr 22, 2012
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    LOL so with working drivers we can expect 6k GPU score in 3DMark11? Thats almost 6990M CF score. lol. Insaaane :D
    Now with the measly P4600 GTX 680M score we had earlier, I bet Nvidia is running around at their headquarters biting finger nails and don`t really know what to do now that AMD have crushed 680M to pieces :D :D

    Here is the Vantage score btw. GPU score have increase 50% from 6990M :)
    [​IMG]
     
    Cloudfire, Apr 22, 2012
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    Vantage could be memory bandwidth limited now. It already skews in that direction as it is and the 7970M "only" got a 20% bandwidth increase.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Apr 22, 2012
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    20%? How on earth did you come up with that number. 6990M 115.2 GB/s. 7970M 153.6GB/s. That is not 20% increase. That is 33.3% more. ;)
     
    Cloudfire, Apr 22, 2012
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    Cloud you have finally seen the light, welcome to the club of believers, and the good news is only just beginning. Shortly Slick The Deliver will annoint us with the Mobile King 7970m overclocked to surpass Gtx 580 levels. If you or any others still have any doubts remaining, then even those feeble disillusions will be shattered shortly, so brace yourself. All those still waiting for the imaginary 680m, your time will come eventually, perchance by the end of the year. Make sure to enjoy your 4600 score, and the $1000 premium price, but perhaps its possible to overvolt it and overclock it to reach 7970m stock levels, as long as your willing to deal with 100++++ tdp, and 90c temperatures. Fortunately (or unfortunately) it will inevitably throttle long before that, preventing the mass wildfires that would likely ensue if left unchecked. Welcome to the dawn of a new era, and all Hail The True Elite Mobile King 7970m.
     
    SlickDragon, Apr 22, 2012
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    Isn't there going to be a 7990m as well?
     
    moviemarketing, Apr 22, 2012
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    Unlikely
    7970m is officially 100watt TDP (from dell official charts when you compare GPUs in m17xr4)
    Next GPU will be likely to be 8970m and don't expect a huge leap like 7970m, one of the reasons why 7970m got a huge jump is the move to 28nm (which helps a lot in laptops)
     
    HSN21, Apr 22, 2012
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    Oh i did not realise the mem clocks on the 6990m were so low.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Apr 22, 2012
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    That benchmark is the best combination of CPU and GPU power I ever saw on a single GPU laptop :eek:

    Can we safely call this the most powerful Laptop GPU on the Planet ? :D
     
    Speedy Gonzalez, Apr 22, 2012
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  36. long2905

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    sure unless you know anything better ;)
     
    long2905, Apr 22, 2012
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  37. widezu69

    widezu69 Goodbye Alienware

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    Technically, if Slick OC'd his CPU to 4.5Ghz, it would raise his CPU score to 30k and raise his GPU score another 2k maybe.
     
    widezu69, Apr 22, 2012
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    And it isnt even the most expensive one... in fact it's cheaper than the 670M...
     
    awakeN, Apr 22, 2012
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    widezu69 Goodbye Alienware

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    Just goes to show that you should never use price as a judge of performance :D Bet nvidia will claim that the 680m is the fastest GPU because it beats the 7970m by maybe 5% and jacks the price up 300%
     
    widezu69, Apr 22, 2012
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    Lol and the 680 may not even beat the 7970 then Nvidia prices are going to be based in drivers :D

    I really hope the 7970 play like the 5870m did it was the top end card for like a complete year for a fraction of the price of the Nvidia card
     
    Speedy Gonzalez, Apr 22, 2012
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    So right, 7970M is looking like a solid upgrade for everyone. GPU score in 3DMark11 is around 6k. We didn`t see the GPU score from the GTX 680M test shown earlier, but the P score, total score, was 4600. So lets assume that the GPU score of 680M is also around 4600.

    What now? Do Nvidia have some sort of backup plan if something like this hits them? We know that 680M is a GK106, from GTX 660. We know that the power consumption of 680M is 100W. Is there really anything Nvidia can do to the original design of the 680M to increase performance and not go over the 100W limit? Overclocking the excisting cores on that GPU will lead to higher power consumption. We know that GK106, GTX 660, have a maximum of 768 CUDA cores. Its the same amount of cores the 680M will have. They can`t just add more cores because they don`t have any GPUs to get it from within GK106. Except they could go for GK104 instead, but that would mean a brand new design and they would have to engineer a brand new GPU again.

    Could Nvidia have a sort of A-plan and a backup plan? Meaning launch product A if AMD launch a "Meh" GPU and use the backup plan if AMD release something amazing like this 7970M? Are there any chance that the 3DMark11 test we saw earlier was from a totally unfinished product, and it is much better than that when they are done with the engineering and the product is complete?

    Thoughts?
     
    Cloudfire, Apr 22, 2012
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    It's not. Powernotebooks has it as a $200 upgrade over 670M.
     
    rorkas, Apr 22, 2012
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  43. Kevin

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    Where did you hear that?
     
    Kevin, Apr 22, 2012
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    Here is something Nvidia can use to combat 7970M with. Its the GTX 670 and its coming out in May. About the same power consumption as 7870 (150W) and slightly wider memory bandwidth. I wonder if the chinese 3DMark11 score is fake or if Nvidia have this 670 as a backup plan for 680M. No way in hell they can release the P4600 now that AMD have released something solid. That would be pathetic

    GeForce GTX 670 | VideoCardz.com
     
    Cloudfire, Apr 22, 2012
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    I think your theory is highly likely. Otherwise if nvidia is adamant on using GK 106 as its new high-end mobile chip it'll simply be too weak to compete against a Pitcairn XT based 7970M.

    They'd better have that kind of backup plan or they're basically screwed for this round imho.
     
    Botsu, Apr 22, 2012
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    Fyi for those watching the Clevo machines, Power Notebooks has the 7970M listed as +200 over the GTX 670M, and a single 100 over the 675M.
    That Nvidia would release a GK104 mobile chip has been my belief from day one, and it still is now. Whether it's the 680M or this fabled 685M, it has to be coming.

    The GTX 670 is indeed the perfect candidate. With the 670 Ti designed to challenge the 7950 and GTX 580, the non-Ti version slots in perfectly as a competitor to the 7870, and thus may be the top-end option for the mobile segment.
     
    Kevin, Apr 22, 2012
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    On Dell's Alienware site they charge $200 to upgrade to a 7970M and $350 to upgrade to a 675M (both over a 660M). Is Power Notebooks trying to charge a premium?
     
    rschauby, Apr 22, 2012
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    AMD's HD 7970M to come on 24th of April

    Good news 7970m to come out on the 24th april. I am telling you the scores by amd on semi accurate leak was right but people kept saying it doesn't mean anything. Nvidia leak was a bit off it seems.
     
    nissangtr786, Apr 22, 2012
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    Like i said before, i paid nearly 100€ more for 7970m over 675m, so it should be more 100$ in the US.
     
    pastapvz, Apr 22, 2012
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    Better buy ASAP before Alienware change the price to what it should be :p
     
    Cloudfire, Apr 22, 2012
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