ATI 5000HD details leak -UPDATED

Nvidia claims DX11 won't be a selling point for graphics cards.

Basically it's more of Nvidia thinking they can become Intel if they make their GPUs into better CPUs.

Addendum:

Rumors of only a 2% successful production yield for the first engineering sample runs of GT300


Also interesting is that the G300 allegedly has a die area of 452mm² and they can only get 104-105 GPUs out of every wafer used for manufacturing. ATI's RV870 (5800 series GPU) supposedly has a die area of 205mm²...less then half.

That's a real contributing factor as to why Nvidia GPUs cost more than ATI GPUs and why Nvidia GPUs have such a hard time dealing with die shrinks.

 

I don't remember making any assumptions.

 

just saying, don't bet on it that the 5800s are as affordable as 4800s.

 

as much as i hate nvidia for my failing g86, the second article comes from a really unreliable source.

 

That is why they are rumors.
But if NVIDIA is saying DX11 is not going to be used as an attractive to sell then what will? Low power consumption? High performance?
Can someone explain this?

If ATI is DX11 ready, outperforms/is on par with NVIDIA for less money, and has newer tech.

 

I'll be replacing my dual 4850's with a 5870 I think.

Get a boost in power, lose the crossfire hassle and gain EyeFinity!

 

from www.atibloggo.com:

So this should not take that longer...

 

Exactly...that is why they are rumors. There are no solid facts on the GT300 architecture yet...however that bit about the die area of the GT300 sounds about right. Nvidia's GPU have traditionally been much larger than their ATI counterparts and the size difference has been commonly sited as one of the reason Nvidia cards are more expensive than ATI cards.


Nvidia believes that the major selling point of GPUs will be their ability to handle general processing...i.e. the GPU's ability to act like a CPU and take over some of the CPU's jobs. Basically they're still trying to sell CUDA and PhysX.

What I got from Nvidia's comments on DX11 is that they believe games don't need to look any better, gamers already have enough FPS to play Crysis and what you really need a high end GPU for is to encode movies for your iPod.

 

But... crysis 2?

 

What is the difference in MXM3.0 and 3.0b? I'm about to buy a new lappy with mxm3, I cant wait until next year but I am hoping to use one of these new cards at some point.

 

NVIDIA's selling point is size does matter??? HAHAHAHA (sorry, had to say it)
Too bad NVIDIA that they think graphics are good enough as they are, not advancing is the worst thing that can happen to technology.

 

From Electronista:

ATI launches 2X faster, 1,600-core Radeon HD 5800

AMD's graphics label ATI tonight claimed to set a new benchmark for graphics with the Radeon HD 5800 series. The new video hardware is theoretically twice as fast as the 4870 and has an extremely large set of 1,600 stream (visual effect) cores -- enough to calculate 2.72 teraflops per second. Besides handling twice as many rendering tasks at once, the 5800 is also running a sixth-generation engine that shades and tessellates geometry more quickly, more GDDR5 memory bandwidth (150Gbps), and much improved techniques for antialiasing and anisotropic texture filtering.
ATI specifically touts a much higher performance in antialiasing versus NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 285 and claims that 3D games run at over 80 percent of the speed of the less demanding 4X mode where NVIDIA's current card often drops off more sharply. General performance is often at least 20 percent faster and in extreme cases up to 260 percent faster.

The technology is equally new in features. It's the first to support the upcoming DirectX 11 standard and will support its new set of programmable effects and geometry, such as improved shadowing and tesselation, as well as DirectCompute, Microsoft's format for general-purpose computing acceleration using video chipsets and similar massively parallel hardware. Accordingly, the new Radeon line will also see many of the added visual features in OpenGL and will be the first to support the Apple-originated OpenCL standard for the same effect.

All the initial cards will support Eyefinity, a technique that merges multiple monitors into single virtual displays on one video card. Up to six display pipelines can, using DisplayPort, create either a single very large display -- currently up to 7680x3200 -- or combinations of smaller arrangements. Smaller configurations can also mix and match DVI, HDMI and VGA.

Peak power use is higher but is balanced by much lower power when the chipset is idle.

Two chipsets start the lineup, both of which are aimed at higher-end gamers. The Radeon HD 5870 has the full feature set with 1,600 cores, an 850MHz engine clock, and 1GB of 1.2GHz video memory; it should cost $380 as a video card upgrade. The Radeon HD 5850 scales back to 1,440 cores, a 725MHz clock speed and 1GB of memory at 1GHz in return for a $260 price point. An eventual Radeon HD 5870 Eyefinity6 Edition will incorporate six Mini DisplayPort connectors for an unknown price.

With the exception of the Eyefinity6, both the 5870 and 5850 should be available today through third parties and will also find their way into pre-assembled computers.




VIA ELECTRONISTA

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i'm buying the x2 version for my desktop

 

MXM 3.0 type A = 35w TDP (smaller card)
MXM 3.0 type B = 75w TDP (larger card)

Type A looks like: http://game.amd.com/us-en/content/images/unlock/4800mob/AMR_HD4600_Img0425_BoardAng01_M96_M.png
Type B looks like: http://techreport.com/r.x/2009q1/200m_il.jpg

Edit: Also for those interested, reviews are up for the desktop 5870. Definitely faster than the GTX 285, but the GTX 295 beats it in most instances, though it's close and official drivers can add more performance possibly.

 

Bullet working on GPU accelerated physics for ATI (and Nvidia cards).

 

Wait, what is bullet?

 

Bullet is a physics engine like Havoc and Physx.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet_(software)

 

No kidding. Charlie Demerjian hates NVidia and is incapable or anything approaching unbiased where NVidia is concerned.

 

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but how are the Mobility HD5850 and HD5830 going to have 1600 shaders when the desktop HD5850 only has 1440?

 

5830 has gddr3.

 

The 5850HD "scales down" to 1440 from the 1600 in the 5870HD.
Confirmed.

 

NVidia would be preaching to anyone and everyone that DX11 is the way of the future if they had a product that supports it. They don't, and their competition does, so naturally DX11 is "unnecessary". I loved the 8800 and I have a GTX 260 in my desktop, but NVidia has really slipped with product releases. I could be wrong, but personally I think they are going in the wrong direction. Leave CPUs to Intel and AMD, and get back to making great graphics products.

 

This GPU looks "vicious" and sure to kick some butt. =)... Have anyone of you bought this card? I heard it's already sold out in some leading stores.

Share your experience with us.... I wonder what is Nvidia's take on this? Do they have a counter part?

 

those silly people that bought 2 way and 3 way SLI 295GTX's. Well I guess they have money falling out of their pockets so they don't really care.

 

Now put one of these into a HP Envy 15 and I am a very very happy (if empty pocketed) person

 

NVIDIA has confirmed production of GT300 Series.

I think we have now a competition.

 

So do you guys reckon we will see similar results from 5800/GT300 series that we have with the 4800/GT200 series? i.e. ATI going with raw power (lotss of stream processors) and Nvidia going for the more specialised approach (e..g physx and using the gpu to take stress off the cpu).

Or will it be something completely different..

Blazin

 

is that all the info there is? for a launch date that is supposedly so close?

 

Don't forget 3D. Nvidia seem to really want to go in that direction as well.

 

I still don't think this can take on the new HD 5000.

 

In the desktop market it probably will. The mobile market will likely be a different story.


With the long overdue release of Mobility 4870s w/GDDR5 in the AW M17x ATI should officially pull ahead in the mobile market for the fastest GPU. It's unfortunate that a notebook manufacturer didn't use them sooner since it would have given ATI a nice run in the Sun while Nvidia played catch-up.

 

Something makes me doubt the product being ready in October. Even November seems too soon. For some reason I feel like there hasn't been enough hype to have it ready that early.

I'll wait and see though. I can't afford to buy a new video card every generation like I used to. I have to hold my cards close and make sure to win the big pot.

 

If youre referencing the GT300, they wont be commercially available until late november at the earliest.

 

I can't wait to see the results.

 

Yes, I'm positive about it. I see it also as a business strategy to make the sales. People love rough competition. I hope GT300 would make it to testing so that it would be release later this year.

 

That if there are no delays, if they are, we might be seeing these ones by Q1 2010...Christmas the earliest.

Well, ATI is doing something about a physics engine for their cards, but I guess they are focusing more on DX11, raw power and lower power consumption. And NVIDIA might want to maintain the crown...

 

Hence the "at the earliest".

 

Considering for desktops, the HD 5xxx series is available now, nVidia better get cracking.

 

available except its out of stock lol,

newegg has eta to get more today, so been checking the site about every 30min trying to order one.

comes with free dirt2 game too, so thats cool.

 

Nice bundle!!
How much are they?

 

This is great news. Hope they make a killing off these cards.

 

Perhaps. After all, the 4850HD was on par with the GTX260M/280M and these are supposed to be a major upgrade over the 48xxHD series and consume less. In my count, that is a WIN!

 

From tomshardware: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/page-258763_15_0.html

Pics and some specs on the 5800HD series, so that you get more info on these new GPUs.

 

EDITED. Added details on ATI 5750HD Mainstream GPU.

 

I know youre excited and all, but you should really check the date of the threads you post.

 

LOL!! I had not noticed that. But the one I just uploaded in the front page is recent.

 

So as now desktop version of 5000 si available, how long will it take for mobility version to appear? is it feasable for it to appear before 2010? or is it more middle of 2010?

 

It's possible for it to happen at end of 2009, but if it does, it'd only be in 1 or 2 laptops. If you'd want the HD5xxx to fully get implemented widespread(i.e. most laptop that now have an HD4xx switch over to HD5xxx GPUs), I'd be more prone to say that'd happen around mid-2010 if not a bit sooner.

 

and what chance would be that one of these two laptops would be XPS 16?

and also, would they announce mobility 5000 release date far in advance, or just ~1month before (not really sure how this works)?

 

Well if we go by past experiences, the Studio XPS 16 received the HD4670 a bit after the HD4xxx came out mainstream, i.e. at the same time as just about everyone else. The first laptop I recall seeing with an HD4xxx series was the MSI EX625 IIRC and that was a few months before the Studio XPS got it.

As for announcing it, Dell doesn't do it at all if we go with the HD4670 Basically, we knew about it coming because they released an update to their BIOS saying it'd have support for it, but they didn't announce it on their site.

Nonetheless, I wouldn't expect th4 Studio XPS to get anything other than the HD5xxx equivalent of the HD4670(i.e. the HD5670). Dell probably has no plans of upgrading the GPU to gaming level standards.