ATI 5000HD details leak -UPDATED

Well if you want to go by past history....the Studio XPS 16 was originally released after a 4 or 5 month delay with a 3000 series card after the mobility 4000 series cards were already announced.


New mobile GPUs usually take several months to appear in notebooks after they're officially announced....in some cases it's even up to a year.

 

up to a year... that doesnt sound too good..

i was preparing on buying XPS with i7 and 4670 at the end of nov/ beggining of dec, but anouncment of mobility 5000 coming up disturbed everything... im happy to wait for it if it is released in Q1 2010 (but 100% released), because this laptop will have to be with me for at least 3-4 years

P.S. and i know, you cant wait for new technologies, because as soon as one becomes available, another is being announced...

 

The thing about mobile GPUs is that they take longer to get out, because of thermal and power issues. On a desktop it is far more flexible than on a notebook, due to difference in size and cooling systems.

I would say before the end of the year, we MIGHT be seen some laptops carrying this beasts. But only high-end, with 58xxHD inside.

One correction, the 5670HD does not exist. 5650HD is the only 56xxHD card. Then it goes directly into 5730/50/70HD. I dont know why they did that, but I think is to keep the 5650HD on a lower side, more mainstream and making the 57xxHD series replace the current range that the 46xxHD is covering. supposedly.

 

Hmm, nVidia GTX 300 series of ATI 5000HD series for my future i7 desktop in the future....

Tricky, tricky.

 

Your "future" i7 desktop in the "future", huh? Wait, I'm not sure when you're planning to build this. Is it in the future?

I suspect that the 5000 vs 300 game will play out just like the 4000 vs 200 did.

Now: 4870 matches 260, 4890 doesn't quite match 280. Nvidia claims "power king", ATI claims "cost effectiveness".

Future: 5870 matches 2nd or 3rd best 300-series. Nvidia still claims "power king", ATI still claims "cost effectiveness".

My two cents: GPU power is growing faster than their gaming demands. Batman: Arkham Asylum is a wicked pretty game, and one of the newest. My single 4870 still runs it perfectly even though the card was released in July 2008, and the GTX 280, which has even fewer troubles in the gaming world, is even older than that.

I feel like a lot of the upgrades to GPU hardware lack justification - they're unnecessary to run the corresponding games, and exist only so the manufacturers can tell their public that "nyah nyah, you guys don't own something!" It's our responsibility to our own wallets to know when enough hardware is enough, and my reading is that the current gen is already more than enough to handle the future.

I will rest my case with this hypothetical question:
On a 60Hz monitor, with 25fps eyes, would you rather
1. buy a $140 Radeon 4870 to get 65 FPS, or
2. buy a $380 Radeon 5870 to get 120 FPS?

PS: This argument probably doesn't translate very well over to laptops, I'm talking about desktops here. Sorry to stray from NBR into DTR!

 

60Hz refresh rate = correct.
25fps eyes = lol

The human eye can detect single frames that appear less than 1/220 of a second. That's as far as it was tested by the military anyways. In reality, the eye can detect single photons.

It's all about perception! If you think it's smooth enough then it's good enough for you.

 

don't worry, game companies might add redundant/useless/slow code on purpose to their games so you will have to buy a new videocard or render something silly (like stations with 1 million polys? in X3:terran conflict)

 

Batman is an example of a new game with good coding, it uses the UT3 engine and that is rather old and very well optimized. Just because that one game works well doesn't mean all games will. Plus you dont really want to buy a hardware upgrade in the mind set that it can play the games I have now, but rather the games that will come out soon (aka the ones you have not played already and probably will have higher system demand)

Also not everybody plays games like batman at your silly low resolution

I play in 5870x1200 and while the 5870 handles it fine its nowhere near 120fps

(must fight urge to directly post pictures and absolutely destroy forum spacing )

http://viciouscomputers.com/batman1.jpg
http://viciouscomputers.com/batman2.jpg
http://viciouscomputers.com/batman3.jpg

 

there are so many things in the field of computer graphics that are "just too complicated to do in real time"

as computer hardware increases, they will just include more graphical effects in games. poor coding is not necessary to take advantage of hardware...

also, lol @ 25 fps eyes. nonsense.

 

what size is your screen(s)?

Also, i've heard that after about 60fps, you cannot (supposedely) notice any increases in fps. I'm not sure how true that is though.

Blazin

edit: going by the screenshots you uploaded i would say your screen(s) are curved around you slightly?

 

Yeah 3x24" with a slight tilt on the 2 outside monitors.

 

Well that'd depend on the game in question, but past the monitor's refresh rate, there should be little noticeable difference and it could actually cause tearing(hence the presence of V-sync).

 

Vicious has a triple monitor config thanks to the 8570HD which supports EyeFinity.

 

Wish i had an 8570

 

LOL! You have a 4850HD in your laptop!
That is quite high!

 

Yeh it gets the job done at 1920x1200

 

The 5870HD is the newest and strongest of all ATI cards ATM. Desktop only, for around 350ish a tad more. It is massive!

 

Haha guys, sorry to anybody off saying what I did. I didn't know that eyes can notice 1/220th-second frames! I had only heard that they actually scan at 24 jumps per second, which contributes to why 30FPS is to most people the standard minimum FPS for a game to be playable.

Vicious, I have one third of your screen setup (1 x WUXGA) and BAA has never dropped below 60 FPS for me. You're right though, it's well-encoded.

The extra screen support makes Eyefinity a unique opportunity to jump on 5000-series cards for. I just feel like the dudes who upgrade their cards just so that they can pwn that game EV3N MOAR are lol-worthy.

Plus, obsessive GPU-upgrading, even when the net cost is small because you can sell the old card for 80% of the cost, encourages the manufacturer to rebadge parts under new names.

At least, that's how I feel. Now to conduct a survey that proves it!!!!

 

Without getting into the whole fps debate again, the 24 fps comes from movies where it is an analog moving frame that causes motion blur. With digitial it is distinct single frames being presented, so a higher fps is required. This all depends on the game and individual of course. Many RTS's have a 30fps cap, but since it's typically a top-down view, there's very little issue. First person shooters on the other hand, seem to fare best above 50fps or so since you've got a first person perspective and are constantly moving in 3D space.

 

Yep, spot on. The other thing to keep in mind is unlike movies and other pre-rendered material that is always at the same frame rate. One reason you want a high fps in a game is for those moments of unusually high demand where the frame rate dips down. You can play at 30fps all day just fine as long as that was your minimum frame raate, but if 30fps is your average and it drops down to the 10's in moments of action your gameplay is going to suck.

So thats why most people like to shoot for around 45fps+ to give you a fps cushion to protect you from those drops in performance.

 

ATI Radeon 5870x2 being sold now.
Some information on the highest ATI gaming solution, following this link.

 

5870X2 is not out yet, I hear Oct 22 may be the release date.

I figured I would post these here. I took some short vidoes of batman arkham asylum reduced the size from 5760x1200 and then encoded it to H264 & AAC and uploaded it to share with others so you can see what it looks like with 3x the view in a game. Of course its not the same as actually having 3 screens surround you but its still neat to see.

This is what ATI Eyefinity is all about and the main reason I upgraded my 4850 crossfire to a single 5870.

http://rapidshare.com/files/290254599/Batman_Arkham_Asylum_Eyefinity_1.mkv

http://rapidshare.com/files/290256220/Batman_Arkham_Asylum_Eyefinity_2.mkv

Note: If you find these videos entertaining or useful in any way let me know and I will create more and for different games.

 

Those were pretty killer videos

 

I really suck at the game lol, Im trying to not spam buttons and just hit them once for critical strikes but that means I miss the counter often.

All day today I played racing games because my Logitech Momo got here. Later tonight I'll upload a video of Need for Speed Shift in the 3rd person, not recorded on the computer. Only SD quality though as I had to record it with my point & shoot camera.

 

Major Update
5870HD and 5850HD are already being sold:
ATI 5870HD
ATI 5850HD

NOTE: These are the desktop parts, but for you to know, it should not take that much longer for mobile versions.

ATI 5800HD series at TigerDirect

 

...and it is 1 week, 1 month, 1 year?..

 

They've been for sale all over for a few weeks now.

 

I know. But hadnt had the chance to post the update.
I do know that Vicious owns one, and so does The_Moo.

But you gotta admit, those prices are awesome!

 

More Eyefinity Videos, I'll try to get a new game up each day. I also wish I had a camcorder for proper 3rd person videos.

Call of Duty World at War

http://rapidshare.com/files/292051748/CoDWaW_Eyefinity_1.mkv
http://rapidshare.com/files/292052873/CoDWaW_Eyefinity_2.mkv

Recorded with fraps and then recoded to 1280 width with H264 & AAC for ultimate quality and a small file size.

 

Looks like the 5770 and 5750 are now for sale at NewEgg.

 

Hey serg, those prices are actually above MSRP. Pretty soon we'll probably see the 5850 around $240 after rebates.

 

I know, they just came out. But compare to the 295GTX or 285GTX, they are quite competitive.

Indeed the 5770 is out for $160!
SAPPHIRE 100283L Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card

The 5750HD is out too for $130!
SAPPHIRE 100284L Radeon HD 5750 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card

Note how both use GDDR5. Those are killer cards.

 

just read the review on anandtech, the hd5750 is decent, can't say the same for 5770. maybe it's just because i was wowed by the 4800 and 5800.

 

LOL!
The 5770 should be the same as the 4830/50, since it has a 128bit bus and GDDR5. And for 160, heck that is a huge deal.

MORE DETAILS on this laptops can be had here.

 

The HD 4870 1GB GDDR5 has gone as low as $116. Though at that price, I'd rather get the GTX 260 55nm 216 shader 896MB GDDR3 for $114. Though if you really want a significant increase in performance, the HD4850X2 2GB GDDR3 can be had for as low as $167. (if you're lucky enough to purchase it upon searching slickdeals)

 

Really? WOW
I had no idea GPU's were being sold so low...I think I stayed at the time of NVIDIA's 300-500 pricing...lol

 

Can't wait to see the lower end cards in the 5xxx series.

Also hope they come out with a version of the 5770 that is 256bit. Looks like a good card otherwise.

 

The HD 5770 will never be 256-bit. That would make it a 5870...

 

Though it uses GDDR5 and 128bit, comparable to a 256bit and GDDR3.
Is that not enough?

 

Even though 5770 performs about the same as 4870 the 5770 is $50 more here.

Also there is apparently a 59xx series as well but i don't know if this is true or not.

http://www.techpowerup.com/106049/A...y_OpenCL_1.1_Compliant__Reveals_Hemlock?.html

 

I can dream can't I?

Mainly going on the fact that there where a few of the 4670s that came with 256bit instead of 128bit. Besides, even at 256bit it wouldn't compare to a 5850, though it would at least give it a good bump over the older 4870.

 

According to Fudzilla the HD59x0 series will be the new name for their Hemlock cards. So, no more x2 suffixes.

 

Link Here. Thanks to Loki[D.d.G]

 

Link on the 256-bit 4670?

 

4670HD is 128bit.
256bit are the x8xxHD series.

 

Hm, well after checking newegg I wasn't able to find the 256bit 4670, so it's possible it was just a glitch of their system when I'd found it awhile back. Looking at Sapphire(whom I was sure had made it) also didn't reveal anything.

 

Most likely.
You sure it wasnt a 4870HD?

I amù not sure of some things; do 4000HD series suppoprt ATI Stream? Are they DX11 capable or not (via a patch)? If they have this;, 4000 series are still great contenders.

 

Nah, it was a 4670. I did another check of the Sapphire site, this time looking for cards that matched the one I saw, the best one had 128bit GDDR4, so my guess is newegg had messed up on the stats and said it had 256bit GDDR3.

Not sure on the Stream part, but one of the views above about the 5770 and 5750 said something about it... though I believe it was contradictory, saying first the 4870 supported DX11, then later said it didn't...

 

Wow GDDR4. That has to be a typo. No one uses GDDR4... I'm pretty sure the HD 4xxx series won't support DX11.

 

There is a GDDR4 4670. It was the only one of its kind, made by Sapphire.