ATI 5000HD details leak -UPDATED

Interesting. That IS one of a kind! Good to know...

 

There were VERY few those that came out with GDDR4, due to a small improvement over GDDR3 and the price was slightly elevated, so there was no major implementation with this technology.

I asked in a thread some time ago what happened to it...GDDR4 never saw the light lol

How can you tell that the 4670HD series dont support DX11? I thought DX10.1 was almost as DX11, but not fully implemented or something like that...

 

Shader Model 5.0 and tessellation require specifically built hardware.

 

Grrrr. Bad news there then...lol
Thankfully I play very old games lol...so no problem

 

The 5770 seems to be doing very well against the 4870, and it has the highspeed GDDR5 that is put on the 5870 - the 5850 actually has slower GDDR5 than it, though it has the 256-bit bus. It can hang with the GTX 260 in most cases, except once you get above 1920x1200.

 

That is strange, considering that both 58x0HD can outrun the GTX285 and 295 in some cases...
But as what I read, the 5750HD is a better up than the 5770HD, which turned out to be a "disappointment", from what I read.

Still, a major up, making them comparable to the former 48xx series.

 

Remember that GTX285 and 295 are dual chip cards. GTX260 is a single chip card. The 5750 is a great value because it's very cheap, but the 5770 isn't a whole lot more and hangs with the 4870 most of the time. Still I can't disagree that for as cheap as the 5750 will be going for that it doesn't "win" in that department. Consumers win, for sure

EDIT: Here's the link to the Anandtech review which shows the memory configurations. http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3658

 

The GTX 285 is a single GPU card.

 

Wasn't there another NVidia card from that family that was also dual GPU? In any case, the 285 was very impressive, but I could have sworn there was something besides the 295.

 

The Asus Mars was the only other dual GPU

 

Asus Mars?? Based on which ATI?

 

IIRC based on dual GTX 285s.

 

Well, the 59xx series could be the 58xx x2 that ATI is avoiding to call like that, according to some rumors.

 

ah yes, the mars edition.. starting at around £1000 from what i can remember

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,694034/Asus-Mars-GTX-295-benchmark-review/Reviews/

 

any news on 5k mobility series?

 

Any french speaker here?

3 months, probably...no idea. No news on it via Google...nor my sources.

Will update if I find something

 

I speak some French lol. What do you need a French speaker for?

 

a 5770 based mobile card would be brilliant:
DX11
OpenCL
40nm
800 shaders
128bit DDR5

what is not to like?

 

GRRR cant find the page anymore. Thanks sgogeta, anyways.
It said that basically mobile GPUs should be coming by Nov-Dec...

 

anyone know what notebooks are planned to come out with this card?

 

Most likely notebooks with current HD4xxx series will be refreshed/rehashed to contain HD5xxx series like what happened when we moved from HD3xxx to HD4xxx.

 

so what % chance would you give to see Dell to have 5k card this year?

 

More news about 5000HD cards.

It seems like stocks are not holding the amazing demand and success AMD/ATI has gotten for their 5000HD series.

NVIDIA has raised prices, and is slowly phasing out some high end GPUs that simply cannot compete against AMD/ATI's cheaper/better GPUs.

Full article here.

 

0 to 5% from me. The mobile 5k line doesn't go into production until November.

 

how long it takes, usually, from the start of production to final insertion into laptop? can i expect it January then? (early february...?...)

 

Most likely around Q3 2010 for the first Arrandale refresh. You're going to be waiting for a while my friend.

 

so you are saying it'll take almost a year? and isnt arrandale coming out in january?

 

I'd like to see your sources on that. Given the massive market share shift to laptops, GPU manufacturers are no longer taking eons to bring their GPU's to the mobile market. Considering the life of the ATI3xxx cards was less than a year before the 4xxx hit laptops, I highly doubt the next generation of ATI GPU's is that far off.

 

I'd probably say that we'd need to wait until beginning of summer 2010 IMO before the HD5xxx is implemented in laptops in a widespread manner i.e. not when the first machines with them come out, but when just about every company has a model out for it.

That being said, Dell isn't known for being the fastest in getting new GPUs since they took a good few months after the release of the HD4xxx series before incorporating one in their Studio(which they completely refreshed) and Studio XPS lines(took about 3 months before the Studio XPS 16 moved from an HD3670 to an HD4670 in end of June while theHD4xxx series had been out since earlier that year IIRC).

 

NVIDIA's GPUs are so good they can rename and reuse them and still be running with ATI,and their Nforce drivers are better too.
Cant say the same about ATI.

 

Just speculating from past releases. The HD 4830 was announced almost at the beginning of 09 (Q1). It won't be out til Q4 09 (Envy 15). The HD 5xxx series was just announced and considering the details haven't been released (even finalized) shows the level of testing it's at, so it won't make it to Arrandale in Q1 09 (Arrandale laptops have already been tested for a little while now, and they will ramp up production to meet demand, hence they must be using parts that were themselves tested before the HD 5xxx was even announced). The next refresh will be Q3 09, hence why I said then. It's not about market shift, but the fact that they need to clear out current inventory before they sell their future stuff.

 

FANBOY ALERT!!

Especially the 8400M and 8600M GT that have been renamed a thousand times!! ^^

Pardon me, but isnt ATI 4000 series A LOT cheaper than NVIDIA and perform the same or better on comparable sections? For example the dirt-cheap 4670HD is the top performer in its section, and is quite powerful, and it is ATI!

So please, dont troll here. Yes NVIDIA has good GPUs but dont say that they can rename just because they are "so good". It is because of brand name they afforded to do that, and now they are paying, having the 5000HD series on top of them for lower prices, and they have no answer until minimum 1 and a half months before the first GT300 series can be put into service.

I am not an ATI fanboy, but I dont go trolling around saying that ATI can rename things just because. The difference between ATI and NVIDIA is that ATI pushes forwards, NVIDIA has "the crown" (and not any more) so they sit there, rename the parts, up the prices and thats it.
What I am is pro-advances, not mere rebranding. Even more if the series were defective at some point, unless really new architecture is out, I dont trust those faulty-MoBo-killers.

 

Amen to that!

 

The 4830 is not a good example. It was/is delayed because of TSMC's issues with 40nm process at the time. Ati had to use what yield they got from TSMC for their desktop HD 4770.
The 4830 was announced in March and was supposed to be physically launched in the late July/August time frame.

 

Either way, the other points are still there and are valid. Only time will tell (or when NDAs lift to those testing Arrandale notebooks now) what will actually be the actual release schedule, so believe what you want.

 

Ok, lets say i buy laptop with 4670 now, will I be able to change to 5xxx later my self, or will it be different form factor or slot?

And when did 4670 appeared in XPS 16, June 09?

 

Notebook GPU is not upgradeable (90% of the times), supposedly Dell can be upgraded, but they use a proprietary design, or something like that, and MXM cards. So first of, upgrading GPU is a no-go most of the times (if not all).

No idea if you can change it in the SXPS16...dont think so. (And DX11 wont work either)

 

Well, here is a question to ponder then: Why would ATI wait over a year for Nvidia to catch up when they clearly have won this round and could absolutely dominate the notebook GPU market for the next several months. If they wait until Q4 2010, Nvidia will have a product out by then to compete with. I refuse to believe that ATI has no one in their upper management who doesn't understand how to take advantage a market condition such as this.

 

ATI is having problems with keeping up with the excessive demand. The desktop 5000HD series were a hit, and a good one, and stocks are hard to replenish, so they must be focused on that area now, considering the GTX285 and 275 are being phased out, they have the desktop market for theirs (except the 295)

In the market area the 4000 series are very powerful, having some small amount of 40nm and the rest are 55nm. The 4670HD for example is top performer on its segment, the 4870HD is arguably as fast as the GTX280M, and so are the lower ones.

So basically ATI can take it easier than NVIDIA, considering that NVIDIA will have to re-design everything to make it 40nm, and ATI had the design already done in the 4000 series, it was easier for them...

Now, why the delay? Not clear just yet, but my expectations are for Nov-Dec to be out. Q1-Q2 2010 fully implemented.

 

The HD 4xxx series is still in production, if they release their HD 5xxx, they will lose a lot of sales in their HD 4xxx series. Hence it's a matter of marketing. Now that they have little competition, it's the perfect time to unload all their older models. It's not about taking advantage of the market, it's about selling the most number of GPUs. It is never good for a single company to dominate a market.

 

I disagree with your logic here. Taking advantage of the market leads to selling more GPUs.
In order to sell GPUs in the mobile market, Ati needs to make design wins with as many models of laptops from as many companies as possible. What better way to do that than to release a product like the HD 5000 series when nVidia doesn't have a product to compete.

 

It is never good for a single company to dominate a market.. for the consumers, as we have ultimately have less choice and have to pay more.. whereas it is good for the company, as they can expand and increase their competitive advantage over other rival companies.

Anyway, enough business talk

 

I don't agree with your argument. It isn't good for consumers when a single company dominates the market, but it is like Christmas every day of the year when a a company does. I highly doubt ATI is having a board meeting with all their vice presidents discussing ways they can help Nvidia get back in the market so they don't have to go it alone.

We're talking about a single generation of products. Nvidia deserves a major whooping for their pathetic rehashed product line they have been releasing for the last 2 years. ATI needs to teach them a lesson.

 

Amen!

I totally agree with you there. ATI's improvement from 3xxx to 4xxx was huge, and to 5xxx is even more, while NVIDIA has shown performance, yes, but not in the mobile area, some very small ones. ATI was like 50% and now 70% up IIRC, while NVIDIA has shown a 20%-30%...so I think I will rest there (and be flamed by all the fanboys hahaha)

 

There's 5750 benchmarks from Guru3D.

Nice card.

 

Thanks for the post.

There is a "full" review on the 5870HD here: http://www.atibloggo.com/

 

Im visiting this thread more than once a day, hoping to see any news about 5000 mobility series, because if i dont see them, im gonna buy laptop with 4670, and then if i see 5000 series after a week, im gonna shoot myself

So, any news?

 

I doubt they'll show up this year.

 

From Fudzilla

 

So rumors on the Hemlock 59xxHD were true.
Instead of the x2 it is now 59xx