ATI 5000HD details leak -UPDATED

Yep, it was confirmed a little while ago from GPU-Z updates. However, those are desktop GPUs.

 

HD5970 benchmarks have surfaced.

Check them out at Guru3D

 

Mobile ATI 5xxx parts:

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,10142.html

Launching Q1 2010, but why do I get the feeling it's just a paper launch... maybe it was because of this:

"The information we've come across tells us AMD is planning a launch of the first mobile DirectX 11 circuits in January. After talking to a PC builder we had it confirmed that AMD is indeed doing a launch in the first month of next year.

At the same time the same PC builder was uncertain that we would actually see any DirectX 11 GPUs by then. Even if the launch schedule holds the actual circuits may take longer to reach the market. This makes the November launch rumors seem not quite on the spot."

And for more on nVidia's 300M:

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,10135.html

 

Sweeeeeeeeeet. I'm pretty optimistic that AMD's mobile GPUs will be just as awesome as the last round. It's only too bad that there were so few offerings with the 48xx series. However, it's insane how many computer models there are with 45xxs and especially 46xx series graphics.

 

RRrrrr, why cant they just tell, "We are going to release laptop X with mobility 5xxx card on the Jan/Feb/Nov XXth, bla bla bla"

But if some news are showing, maybe more news will be released in the near future with more certain release dates.

 

those links dont seem to work

 

Well if they "say" they're going to launch in January, I'm still expecting mobile HD5xxx series to be implemented a few months later maybe in March or something.

 

That seems a little sooner than the Q4 2010 you've been claiming.

 

Somewhat credible rumors have Clevo and AW releasing new i7, dual GPU systems in Q1/Q2, both of them hinting around that March, June area... Looking encouraging for an earlier then expected release since I sincerely doubt these releases will be without the ATI 5k or the NVIDIA 300m series.

 

Usually companies launch GPUs earlier as paper launches. I don't expect these in notebooks during the initial Arrandale launch in Q1 2010 but until Calpella is refreshed in Q3 2010.

 

QFT. My prediction for the debut of either the GT300 or HD5000 series is the end of Q3/10.

 

i was almost ready to wait till march for 5000 series, but now you are saying Q3... just killing my hopes...

 

Well it's just speculation. You can still wait until March and hope something comes up but we're just trying to be realistic. It would be awesome if they came out before Q3 and I would be overjoyed to be incorrect.

 

Yeah it's mostly speculation at this point. Since the paper release is announced in January, I'd give it a few moths for it to make it into notebooks.

However, you want a Studio XPS 16 IIRC, which would require a refresh of the line rather than the creation of a new notebook. Judging by the HD3670 to HD4670 movement, it took quite a few months after the HD4xxx series along before the Studio XPS 16 got it. Dell actually refreshed the Studio line before they did the Studio XPS line and the Studio refresh was a big one(chassis redesign and all that).

 

Thanks guys for your info and opinions, really helped me to decide.

Ive decided to wait for 5000 series (or Nvidia 300), because now I dont really need a new laptop, and my most waited game is BF:BC2 which is out on March 2nd, and I would be really dispapointed if my laptop with 4670 wouldnt run it smoothly

I dont mind waiting because that laptop will have to be with me for at least 3-4 years.

P.S. and I know, once i start waiting for any new technology, another will be introduced, and this will continue forever, but the main decider for me is that 4000 is about half a year old and it is a limiting factor, while then 5000 will be out, i7 will be half a year old, but i doubt that it will be a limiting factor

P.P.S. Ill still follow this thread, because I like all this stuff

 

Take with a grain of salt: but it doesn't look like AMD plans to release any DX11 based cards for notebooks in 2010...

http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-s-l...entire-platforms-till-2011/7970.html?doc=7970

"The biggest surprise is the 2010 GPU. The rumoured codenames were Park, Madison and Broadway. These happen to be famous avenues in Manhattan, so the Manhattan family codename fits in well. However, notice the fab process - 32nm! Manhattan was widely rumoured to be straight derivates of desktop 40nm Evergreen GPUs. Even more surprising is that it appears the DX10.1 from M9x carries on into Manhattan. Barring typos and confusing slide designs, these are both major surprises. It would appear Manhattan is not a 40nm Evergreen based GPU, but rather a 32nm M9x shrink, something that seems very unlikely. We will look out for clarification on this information."

Hope the success isn't going to ATI's head and we have a nVidia G90 core repeat (rebadge).

 

Well, if they do a smaller GPU on 32nm would be better. But rebadging is a no-go. I support ATI due to their always-new-architecture-on-GPUs but if they start the renaming thats all.

What is happening with the mobile parts? What is taking them so long?

 

We are not going to see any ATI notebook GPU's for a while. As for nVidia... Well that just speaks for it's self...

My guess is mid to late 2010 for release, then a couple months for companies like Dell to actually implement them.

 

I think the roadmap isn't listing the size of the GPUs but marking accomplishments made during that year. Like the above quote on desktop cards mentions the ATI RV7xx GPUs were almost entierly 55nm for 2009 but we know 40nm GPUs were released in that year.


Without actually knowing what was said during the AMD presentation (since I didn't attend ) I can only speculate that the roadmap is saying we'll see the current 40nm desktop GPUs brought to notebooks in the Manhattan series as well another die shrink to 32nm some time during 2010.

 

Was this posted before?

 

Bah more pics. The HD 5890 is supposed to be 13.5" or something ridiculous. I'd care more if they released specs and TDP. Since it's only one 6 and one 8 pin power plug, it must be max 300W, so I figure they're going to downclock (as the HD 5870 is 189W).

 

i think it's 1600*2 sps, but with 5850 clocks.
still impressive, think of it, 3200 stream processors packed in one card, not too long ago we had the 2900xt with 320 sps.

 

Well, that was quick. I told people to not be so quick with jumping on "ATI is Savior" bandwagon.

That's if this is true, of course.

 

I bring terribly news.

 

As expected. 40nm yields have always been rumored to be low, that's why nVidia also had delays. I don't think either company actually denied the rumor either.

 

Yeah, but AMD played it wrong diminishing production of the 4000HD. Now they are short of both 4000 and 5000.
This means that we wont be able to get a laptop carrying a 40nm GPU until Q1-H3 2010...dang

 

It seems that 2010 Q3 rumours are coming true. So bad news.

 

Fudzilla is reporting AMD/ATI wants to skip 32nm GPUs and go straight to 28nm.

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16299/1/


If only they could do that with their CPUs.

 

It's a little bit sad how things are going with Ati... I'm now thinking that we haven't seen yet a mobility radeon gpu with gddr5 memory. If they have problems with memory supplies then mobility radeons are delayed. If they have problems with 40nm yields then mobility radeons are delayed. I can understand, they have their own priorities but hey, we're here and we want gpus.

 

I believe the Dell Precision M6400 has the workstation variant of the HD 4860 w/ GDDR5 memory.

 

What's the ETA on the Mobility 5750/5770 now then? When can we expect to see them shipping in laptops?

 

Indeed. The FirePro 7740M is the RV770M core (IIRC) which is 40nm and 128bit with GDDR5.

I think we can expect this Q2 2010. Lets hope they can do it for Q1.

 

Q1 2010, if the yield issues are sorted.

 

And a few months after that before they appear in notebooks?

 

rv740, same core used on the hd4770.

 

Thanks! I can never keep up with the official names...too many numbers and things to rememebr...lol

 

Apple and a bunch of other manufacturers will be releasing new i5/i7 laptops around Jan/Feb and CES...

Any chance of 5k series chips in those?

I'm told to expect the 4670 otherwise which is about the most depressing thought possible :/

 

It's a toss up at this point, but HD5xxx are said to start manufacturing in Q1 2010 so there's a slim chance although if I had to personally assess, I wouldn't expect them until Q3 2010 to be fully implemented as others have already commented. I'd love to be proven wrong however

 

The 4670HD is the best in class GPU. Why is that depressing?
At least it is not the 9600M GT which is already old...

 

4670/4650 would be a nice 30-40% performance jump over the 9600gt, maybe more with arrandale coupled with it (and probably less worries about heat defects in a couple of years time), but I think that with how much of a jump the 5000 series has over the 4000 series, a 5650/5670 could be same level as 9800 gts / 4830 or so while fitting in mainstream notebooks. I hate waiting for new tech - I'm getting s weak- CULV to tide me over till the 5000 series come out, and then I'll give it to my gf as I need an excuse to get something new.

Dx11, 40nm, hopefully similar jump in performance as we saw with 3000 series --> 4000 series. All you could ask for with that is just to keep up the driver releases!

 

4670 is only about 30% better than 9600M GT.

4830 fits inside the HP Envy, am holding out on this for the MBP.

4830 is freaking delicious...

I'm sure there'll be a ton of Arrandale laptops in Jan/Feb so with the 5000 series around the corner they'll have to stretch into the high 4000 series to be worth buying.

 

Indeed the 4830HD is a better solution, but the 4670HD is underestimated. It is quite capable, and considering the MBP15 uses only WXGA+ resolution, then gaming with the 4670HD is not a problem.

THe 4830HD on the Envy has proven to be very good, and kind of a hybrid between the 4670HD and the 4850HD. (bus of the first, shaders of the second).
But I think Apple is sticking to NVIDIA. They might have used ATI for the iMacs, but the MBPs I think are going to stick to NVIDIA (considering NVIDIA gives switchable graphics, and AMD does that only with AMD chips, and Intel and Apple are known to work a lot together).
Who knows, I am speculating. Also all the lawsuits between Intel and NVIDIA point to nowhere nice for the MBPs...we shall see...

 

Hmm, I dunno, there's the 8600M GT history too, but a GTS 250M would be nice. How does the 240M compare to the 4830?

Have heard really great things about the 4830, and it apparently OCs well.

I also expect a bump in the screen res of MBPs next revision too, that will increase demand on the GPU.

I just can't imagine the 4670 being anything but a disappointment by the time the 5000s are out. Then again that's what iMac users have to deal with.. god how can they bare it, 21" and a 4670 when a 4830 would fit no problem :/

 

And consume less and give better performance over the 4670HD.

Well, the 5000 series bare a massive upgrade over the 4000 series. The 5750 is comparable to the 4850 and so are the xx70 variants. Very much like the 3000 to 4000 jump.

About the GT200 architecture of NVIDIA, supposedly it is not like the 8600 fiasco..I have no idea, but I admit, I like ATI over NVIDIA.

 

If Apple sticks with nVidia, they won't go above the GT 240M. For ATI, probably only the HD 4670. I just don't seem them going beyond the mainstream level cards. While the HD 4670 is a better card, it is no where near 30% better, considering the 9600M GT GDDR3 beats the HD 4670 DDR2 (from NBR users). There is no way that changing the HD 4670 to GDDR3 would give so much better results as to not only catch up to the 9600M GT but beat it by 30%.

 

Wait wait.
GDDR3 beats by a lot a DDR2 card
And the 4670HD beats the 9600M GT by quite a good difference.
The GT130M which was the revamped 9600M GT could not catch up with the 4670HD, when both of them use the same memory.

 

The gt240m is worse than the 4670 from benches I have seen, but 3dmark scores from either could result in 20-40% gain over the current 9600 (if bot are gddr3), but some of that could be driver/cpu related rather than purely gpu. I macbooks could definately do with a res jump, it's sad when netbooks can do higher res than macbooks. I'd like to see the option of 1600x900 min on a 15", rather the 1680x1050 or w/e it was, but I doubt Apple will go against the current and stick with 16:10 res.

 

With the TDP savings that come from the LM Arrandale, and the enclosure revision that'll probably come with that, I really dont see why Apple couldn't quite comfortably work a 4830 in there - that'd tide people over through the 5000 series.

Otherwise they should just wait for the 5000 series.

 

Well.
Apple=overpriced and underpowered
IMHO

 

It's not a matter of what they can fit but what they want to fit.