ATI 5000HD details leak -UPDATED

And now we are talking (thanks).


Anyways, I dont see Apple using ATI 5000HD in their MBPs this refresh, so dont up your hopes, well, most likely nobody will carry them until Q2

 

I'm sure you're right, so 4830 or bust.

 

So this has become the new GPUs for next MacBook Pros? thread

 

No, but the topic came, and why not?

But seriously, this delay on the 5000 has made some people kinda anxious or IDK....is like everyone wants to have a 5000 inside but dont even use it...

 

It's just being teased by the 5000 series on desktops while we're in a blank spot notebook-wise. DX11, big performance jump, 40 or 32nm, potentially up to 1600 shaders (and 256bit + gddr5)... can you think of a better reason to upgrade? ^^

 

Yeah, having not just an incremental bump coming, but a big one, and one that should have already arrived but is now delayed until some unknown but problem not long off date...

Just makes the whole situation pretty tense, especially as we're potentially shelling out a couple grand for our next machine.

 

I would stop hanging out for this in the next MBP, it's a dream. Not a chance in hell of happening.

Look at previous GPUs, 8600m gt, 9600m gt, current consumption rates of 20 watts and 23 watts, i would give up hope of even getting a 4670HD in a MBP that thing comes in a burning 35 watts that a big power drain and added heat that apple isn't going to go for.

Just get the Envy, it has everything you want and is available now, plus you can get yourself a quad. Sounds like you're going to gaming a lot too so it's not like you'll be using OS X much either.

 

Actually the more I see of the HD 5000 series, the more I think if Apple don't wait, I will. They really are looking just stunning...

I mean the 5750 and 5770... WOW.

 

My 5770 is wonderful, but they already are discontinued after a month because of ATI's inability to produce a sufficient-quantity of 40nm chips. I paid mine $165CAD on Newegg Canada. Newegg USA now has it for $180US. Same price as 4890

Spec-wise, 5770 is a 128bits 4890 with its GDDR5 OCed from 3.6 to 4.2GHZ

 

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Yeah I'll wait 6 months for that. I'm not touching a 4670 with that on the horizon...

 

How about the 5870HD with 256bit and GDDR5? Now that is massive.

 

Haha yes but as a Mac user I won't see graphics performance like that until we're well into the HD 7000 series.

 

Well, I wasnt talking of the Macs...I meant about how the 5870HD is a massive thing.

Well, the iMacs are shipping with i5/i7 and 4850HD right now..not that bad.

 

Only the 27" inch, and at that res the gains are kind muted

 

yep but im still amused by them slamming a desktop chip onto a laptop MOBO and Mobile GPU. way to go on killing all that nice speed

 

Seems like the rumours of NVIDIA leaving the mainstream GPU market and leaving the "non-profitable" section to ATI is truth...
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10393045-64.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20

NVIDIA seems to concentrate on Tegra and Fermi only. Does this mean ATI will be the only solution? that cant be good.

 

jeez! they must be able to play chess at high settings with 8xAA!

 

the article didn't say that. and who is to say fermi can't run games.
anyway, i hope it's not true, and i don't think it's true.
it's a big market, nvidia has a solid brand name and it would be stupid to abandon it.

 

It does say their focus is on GPGPU and on mobile devices.

Nowhere he mentions normal platform but mostly the ultra-high-end users and the Tegra platform. And there were rumours before of them leaving the mainstream market...

 

Phew steady now! Chess is highly GPU intensive - 4xAA perhaps.

 

Nvidia won't abandon gaming entirely...it's just gaming is going to start playing second fiddle to GPGPU.

Even though computing tech is moving towards GPUs as a coprocessor, Nvidia finds itself in a bad place because they still depend on a CPU to pull everything together and without Intel playing nice the right now is Nvidia has to move gamers to the back seat and reposition themselves to a place where they won't get blocked out entirely and end up going out of business. For that reason it wouldn't actually be a bad idea for Nvidia to look into manufacturing their own x86 CPU(which is likely why the rumor started), or even partnering back up with Via.

Truth is of all the parties involved AMD/ATI actually stands in the best place since they have both an established CPU and an established GPU while Intel and Nvidia only have half the equation for GPGPU computing.

The Inquirer had a good article on it last week:
Part 1 Part 2

 

probably just another marketing decision. along with the likes of 'cuda cores' '3dvision' and 'physix'

 

I thought 256bit GPUs with GDDR5 already existed no? The HD4870 is one last I recall so it's nothing new(at least the concept).

 

In desktops yes, in notebooks - only in theory (since AW uses GDDR3 HD 4870s still).

 

Not in laptops. The only two 4870's released in laptops were unfortunately both GDDR3. Even Nvidia's gts 250/260ms were supposed to have gddr5 (not 256bit) and currently only released with gddr3.

 

ATI's HD 4860 workstation variant has GDDR5. It's in the Dell Precision M6400. But I don't know anyone who has one, so take with a grain of salt.

 

Toshiba's latest Qosmio features a GDDR5 GTS 250M. A mobile first, AFAIK.

 

Is it confirmed?

 

Yes.

10 char

 

Its official! (If it wasn't already

AMD confirms mobile DX11 in Q1 2010

So to be clear, they are going to release they cards in Q1, but they will start showing up in laptops only in Q3? Why is that? Why cant they appear in Q1 or why aren't they introducing them in Q3?

 

Well releasing normally means they(ATI) begin either production or distribution of the GPUs.

However, just because they(ATI) begin distributing them doesn't mean manufacturers such as Dell, HP, Toshiba etc will begin making new MOBOs and new laptops supporting those pieces right away. They might need to design a new set of parts to support the new GPUs which could take weeks/months. If they have started, they might need to finalize the design. For example, i7 notebooks were "released" before the actual core i7 came to be(about a month before).

 

Can anyone review and post the timeline for the previous ATI 2xxx 3xxx and 4xxx GPU's when they were announced and actually made it into laptops?

 

Remember the Hemlock 5970HD?

Well, there is the 5950HD caught by the camera here

Some quick specs seem to be 1440*2 stream processors, it is a dual GPU, and my assumption is that it is using GDDR5 256bit bus, and slightly slower clocks than the Hemlock 5970HD.

 

Well, with Arrandale just arriving, you've got both new CPU and new GPUs for laptops hitting about the sam time, and the specifications for both will have been available to manufacturers.

When Intel release new mobile CPUs you almost always see the quick announcements of a ton of new machines, and we have CES around the corner so chances are we'll see them then - and it would be in everyone's interest to get HD 5000 cards in those, otherwise AMD will have to wait until the next revision cycle to get their new cards out, by which time they might have other products in the pipeline and more competition from Nvidia.

 

Well, technically, the Arrandale CPU is compatible with Clarksfield last time I checked...so it would mean adapting laptops to the LGA1336 (is that the name?? I can never remember it)...

 

Arrandale is mobile version of Clarkdale (just clarifying, if you didnt mean that in the first place )

 

Nope.

Clarksfield is i7 45nm built on Calpella
Arrandale is i7 32nm built on Westmere
Both are mobile i7

Read the Intel Guide for more information on this matter (link in my signature)

EDIT: I got it wrong. FAIL! LOL FACEPALM!

 

Serg, you got it reversed. ClarkSFIELD is notebooks and ClarkDALE is desktop.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarksfield_(microprocessor)

 

HAHAHAHAH FAIL!

Ironically I know about this, and got it mixed it...ROTLOL!!!!

*self taps in the back* there there...that happens to everyone...there there *continues tapping*

Anways, thanks sgogeta (what a massive fail of mine).

Now, back to topic. ATI 5000HD. Some posts ago I posted the 5950HD which was spotted (on images for you sgogeta).

 

We can expect DX11 Mobile parts with next gen AMD/Intel platform. Most likely May-June 2010.

 

i didnt say anything about claksfield:

Arrandale is mobile 32nm and clarkdale is desktop 32nm (both westmare)
clarksfield and lynfield are 45nm for mobile and desktop respectively


edit: i see you corrected yourself


ok, back to 5000 series.

I want one!

 

Saw the pics... waiting for official TDP and specs of both the HD 5950/5970. Don't worry I'll post those up when I spot em You can keep updating with the other stuff lol. I typically have seen those links already but it's not really important to me since I don't buy it to look at my GPU, I would buy it for what's on the inside.

 

The 1600x2 shaders sounds interesting on these highest-end GPUs.

But the one that is intriguing me the most is the 5650HD. It is a lonely card in its range. It was announced alone, it is not a 57x0HD nor a 54x0HD (no 55xxHD, since ATI avoids double numbers 34 became 43, 45 becomes 54 and I cant recall a 22), anyways, what I am wondering is what is it so special about it? No 5670HD was announced, even worse the 5630HD, so it is a loner, what has that GPU that makes it so different not to have another version?

 

http://www.donanimhaber.com/HS_Radeon_HD_5970_599_seviyesinden_listelere_girmeye_basladi-16564.htm

First real price... (right as predicted)

 

600!!! that is pricey

 

AMD claims 5970 as fastest video card ever

 

I think its normal, considering the GTX 295 launched at that same price in early 2009 and was one of the fastest GPUs of its time. The HD4870X2 also launched at that price.

 

it's like the g80 thing all over again. except that this time nvidia's on the losing side. ati is currently dominating.
i hope nvidia pick up the pace, otherwise kiss goodbye to affordable graphics cards.

 

normal asking price for the fastest single card.

 

Would be nice if ATI could give us some bloody release dates.

It seems like this coming generation of notebook tech is completely up in the air right now - we're not even sure when HD 5000 and Arrandale will hit, and yet every major manufacturer is approaching revision time.