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    ATI 5000HD details leak -UPDATED

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Serg, Sep 12, 2009.

  1. Serg

    Serg Nowhere - Everywhere

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    Arrandale is almost set to january 7 2010. GT300 architecture just came out, the fermi based GPU launched this week.

    But nothing mobile yet!
     
    Serg, Nov 18, 2009
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    phemark Notebook Consultant

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    Arrandale is January 7th, its clear and certain, just 5000 mobility series unclear...
     
    phemark, Nov 18, 2009
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  3. sgogeta4

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    Jan. 7th is most likely just a paper launch, I wonder when options will really start becoming available...
     
    sgogeta4, Nov 18, 2009
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  4. phemark

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    i think that you will able to buy laptops pretty soon with it, jsut remember i7, they just released it, and laptops appeared. (i personally woudlnt be supprised that they rellease laptops on 7th of Jan, because all OEM have arrandale for a while now, so they can do whateve they want and implement them, and Intel has really big plans for it, therefore i dont see why we wouldnt see arrandale laptops on 7th of Jan)

    we'll see :)

    but thats what we know, 5000 is what we dont know... :)
     
    phemark, Nov 18, 2009
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  5. Yixian

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    I dont suppose we have any educated guesses as to ow long ATI will take over getting these into laptops? Intel will probably be quick to get Arrandale out in new machines, definitely first 2 months of 2010 we'll see announcements.
     
    Yixian, Nov 18, 2009
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  6. sgogeta4

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    Intel released the quad core i7s roughly on schedule and you could order it a bit after announcements but most didn't receive it until almost 2 months later. I expect ATI Mobility 5 series in Q3 2010 when Calpella is refreshed. Another important thing to note is whether the ATI Mobility 5 series is actually based on the ATI 5 series (for desktops), since some sources have posted that it will be rehashed 4 series. ATI just released the 5 series on desktops and there have been massive shortages lately.
     
    sgogeta4, Nov 18, 2009
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  7. NAS Ghost

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    Well, dont forget that ATIs 5 series is based on the RV770, so there would logically be some truth to those sources.
     
    NAS Ghost, Nov 18, 2009
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  8. Serg

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    If we go by history, ATIs Mobility and Desktop cards are the same, being mobility downclocked versions of the desktop cards.

    I see no reason to stop doing that. Yes there are shortages, but by 2010 it should have been fixed...they cant lag that bad (though I did read that one of their biggest partners on GPU was getting of the boat some time ago)
     
    Serg, Nov 19, 2009
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  9. sgogeta4

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    The more important factor that I meant to state was DX11 support for the 5 series as opposed to 10.1 support from the 4 series.
     
    sgogeta4, Nov 19, 2009
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  10. -=$tR|k3r=-

    -=$tR|k3r=- Notebook Virtuoso

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    Check this out:

    Available 4 Dec 2009!

    Acer Aspire 8942G-728G1280TWn , 1.799,00 EUR

    ATI ® Mobility Radeon ™ HD 5850 ?

    Must be a misprint, eh? But we can dream, right?

    :D
     
    -=$tR|k3r=-, Nov 20, 2009
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  11. sean473

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    Might be wrong... i doubt they can get the 5000 series cards in notebooks yet... the 5870 is very toasty and supply of cards is low thanks to the ever useless TSMC so it going to be next year.... they most probably mean 4850 card...
     
    sean473, Nov 20, 2009
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  12. -=$tR|k3r=-

    -=$tR|k3r=- Notebook Virtuoso

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    This site is also showing the Radeon 5850, and availability in only a week:

    Acer Aspire 8942G-724G128Wi

    Looks like good things are ahead, sooner than we thought, eh?

    :)
     
    -=$tR|k3r=-, Nov 20, 2009
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  13. -=$tR|k3r=-

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    -=$tR|k3r=-, Nov 20, 2009
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  14. Melody

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    If it arrives I'll be happy. Mind you, paper release is supposed to be in January so they'd be a bit early lol :p
     
    Melody, Nov 20, 2009
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  15. sgogeta4

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    sgogeta4, Nov 21, 2009
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    Ya, I found out about the Acer and posted the details here if you can't read the page for some reason http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=436043

    The part that's of particular interest to me is the fact that it sites DDR3 for the video card. I thought the transfer to mobile would have DDR5. I'm hoping it's at least 256 bit and DDR3, best would be 256bit and DDR5 of course.
     
    AlphaFlight, Nov 21, 2009
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  17. Serg

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    5850HD is either GDDR3 or GDDR5 with 256bit I see no reason for it not being 256bit.

    Now this is me hoping that gaming laptops get GDDR5
     
    Serg, Nov 21, 2009
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  18. AlphaFlight

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    With a 58xx I think they're all "gaming" at that point.
     
    AlphaFlight, Nov 21, 2009
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  19. Rahul

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    If its true, I'm liking Acer more and more everyday. Acer is really stepping up and making some big strides in the notebook field. :)
     
    Rahul, Nov 21, 2009
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    If it does , time to sell ur envy Serg!
     
    sean473, Nov 21, 2009
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  21. JCMS

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    I don't see why ATI is releasing the 5970 that early while there is a high demand for the 5770 and 5850. That's where the shortages are coming from!
    I don't think we'll the mobile before 2010, really. Demand is too high for desktop and production is really low.
     
    JCMS, Nov 21, 2009
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  22. Serg

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    Dont remind me about it. Though it is 40nm the GPU, it is not DX11 (me wants tessellation ^^). lol
     
    Serg, Nov 21, 2009
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  23. -=$tR|k3r=-

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    Agreed Rahul! And this model REALLY has me excited, and tempted!

    :)
     
    -=$tR|k3r=-, Nov 22, 2009
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    I hope other manufacturers soon follow. Come on, leaks! :p
     
    Howitzer225, Nov 22, 2009
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  25. Serg

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    Serg, Nov 23, 2009
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    Bu-bu-but... where's the 57XX/56XX?
     
    Yixian, Nov 23, 2009
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  27. Serg

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    Serg, Nov 23, 2009
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    what do you think of that?

    http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16544/1/

    will mobile versions appear at the same time? and if yes, will they be better than 5000 mobile?

    P.S. if there is another topic on fermi mobile cards, please redirect me there :)
     
    phemark, Nov 24, 2009
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  29. sgogeta4

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    Fermi mobile won't be available at the same time as the desktop variants, and I doubt you will be able those in Jan.
     
    sgogeta4, Nov 24, 2009
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  30. Serg

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    Serg, Nov 27, 2009
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    Why did every manufacturer change the fan? I prefer the one of mine. The fan is staying at 35% so barely audible. 30~35C idle, ~60C load.

    here .

    It makes my baby feels like she is a real high end card :D

    EDIT: Still no new shipments of 5850/5870 and 5970 seems already discontinued. Time to hold yourself together ATI!
     
    JCMS, Nov 27, 2009
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    Not really ATI's fault on the poor yields...
     
    sgogeta4, Nov 27, 2009
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    Yixian, Nov 28, 2009
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  35. Serg

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    For that we have to keep waiting. TSMC cant keep up with production, and ATI is seeing shortages ATM.

    Mobility, at best, I would say Q1 2010
     
    Serg, Nov 28, 2009
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    It's going to be funny when Nvidia tries to release Fermi. Both Nvidia and ATI use TSMC for their 40nm production. TSMC can't even put out enough viable silicon to fill orders for ATIs desktop 5800 series of cards, how the heck are they going to fill orders for the rest of ATIs line-up due before the end of this year in addition to a high-end launch from Nvidia in January? Sounds like DX11 hardware will be in short supply for a long time.
    None of that even accounts for mobile chips!

    Here's hoping Global Foundries gives TSMC some competition soon!
     
    StormEffect, Nov 28, 2009
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    Bye Bye NVDIA for now...
     
    sean473, Nov 28, 2009
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  38. JCMS

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    I would have tried supplying the demand of 5850 and 5870 before releasing the 5970 imo.
     
    JCMS, Nov 28, 2009
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  39. -=$tR|k3r=-

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    -=$tR|k3r=-, Nov 29, 2009
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    Love the talk about ATI, just wished AMD would step up their game...
     
    BoxerRumble, Nov 30, 2009
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  41. mobius1aic

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    Well I got a 5850 on my desktop, though it's only running WinXP 32 bit on 4 GB of RAM. Of course I'm limited to DX9.0c functionality so I can't comment on DX10/11 capabilities, but I'll tell you what, even Crysis gets it's butt handed to it in 1920 x 1080 resolution all DX9 high settings with FPS varying quite a bit (probably due to my dual core CPU). Far Cry 2 runs maxed out quite easily too at 1080p with 4x and 8x AA. Mirror's Edge is the same way with max settings, PhysX off (you don't want your CPU handling it!), 4x AA (don't need it any higher), 1080p, though it screen tears like a mother even with VSync on. I must say it's so beautiful to play and watch at such a high resolution. Unfortunately the FPS varies ALOT, even more than Crysis (I'm pretty sure it's an ATi related issue, as ME is of course Nvidia centric), but most of the time it's running well above 60 fps.

    I can only hope for notebooks to get the 58xx mobile cards soon. These things are freaking amazing!
     
    mobius1aic, Nov 30, 2009
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    How much (by percentage) are mobile version slower than desktop on average? (+- approximate figure)
     
    phemark, Nov 30, 2009
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  43. Gaste

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    around 20% slower for ati cards I've heard, unless it's a high end card
     
    Gaste, Nov 30, 2009
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  44. sgogeta4

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    I would compare shader count and clock speed to match the mobile and desktop parts to get an accurate comparison. Usually the mobile high end is equal to the desktop middle end.
     
    sgogeta4, Nov 30, 2009
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  45. Levenly

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    well i have a single 5770 on my desktop paired with the base core i5, and for a midranged machine it dominates pretty much everything i throw at it. apparently with crossfire 5770's, certain games perform identical (and in some cases better) than a single 5870.

    but if a mobile 5850 performs like a desktop 5770, then you shouldn't have any worries whatsoever for performance unless you're gaming over 1920 x 1200. the card rocks even with a 128 bit bus.
     
    Levenly, Nov 30, 2009
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  46. JCMS

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    Got the same computer as me :). My friend has a setup with CF 5770 and a I7 920 coming this week. But as a 5770 is basically a 5870 cut in half (same clocks, but 128bits bus VS 256, 800 SP versus 1600 and 16 rops versus 32) they should be pretty similar.
    The only game computer does not max at 1080p is Crysis Warhead. Crysis one is flush (20~28FPS) for single player but probably would not cut it for multiplayer.
     
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  47. Serg

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    Serg, Nov 30, 2009
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    5770's were released back in late september or early october i believe, but these models you linked here just have redesigned fans it appears.
     
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  49. Serg

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    Yes, it seems like to cut down prices or that is what Fudzilla is saying...
     
    Serg, Nov 30, 2009
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    yeah because the fan noise at default is silent. it runs at perhaps 30-30% fan speed and it's a whisper.
     
    Levenly, Nov 30, 2009
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