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    ATI 5000HD details leak -UPDATED

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Serg, Sep 12, 2009.

  1. Serg

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    Strange...I want one within my laptop, but I am guessing my next GPU will be an ATI 6000HD or 7000HD built on 28nm or smaller :cool: and using Haswell or Fusion.
     
    Serg, Nov 30, 2009
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  2. JCMS

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    Yup it's to cut down price. But the old fan has advantages over it. I think it was planned from the beggining since I have a "Special Phoenix Fan Edition" sticker on my 5770's box. No noise at 35% and it can stay there even at load (on an Antec 900 case)
     
    JCMS, Nov 30, 2009
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  3. mobius1aic

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    I almost bought a 5770, but the 5850 is pretty much twice the performance of the 5770 at just %50 higher cost.
     
    mobius1aic, Nov 30, 2009
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  4. sgogeta4

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    You can get the HD 4850x2 for 33% cheaper yet still the same performance as HD 5850. Though this ignores space, power consumption, etc.
     
    sgogeta4, Nov 30, 2009
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    and dx 11 features.
     
    Levenly, Dec 1, 2009
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    The bandwidth prevents the 4850 x2 from achieving the 5850's level of capability, even if you got the two GPU cores to communicate perfectly in the first place, which in itself is a feat.
     
    mobius1aic, Dec 1, 2009
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    How is $300 50% over $160. And the 58xx are backordered now :(
     
    JCMS, Dec 2, 2009
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  9. tianxia

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    5850 launched at $250.
     
    tianxia, Dec 2, 2009
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    sgogeta4, Dec 2, 2009
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    http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16659/1/

    sounds good to me. about 25% more raw power than 4670, and double the bandwidth, which is what gimped the 4670 in the first place.
     
    tianxia, Dec 2, 2009
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  12. Serg

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    Serg, Dec 2, 2009
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    Need to start waking up early like phemark Serg...

    ...he beat me to the news too. :eek:
     
    Phinagle, Dec 2, 2009
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  14. Serg

    Serg Nowhere - Everywhere

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    ^^ Sorry, I have 6 hours advantage if you are in America...

    Still, pretty nice, eh? Finally some mobility 5000HD!
     
    Serg, Dec 2, 2009
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  15. DEagleson

    DEagleson Gamer extraordinaire

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    Good news! :)
     
    DEagleson, Dec 2, 2009
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  16. dtwn

    dtwn C'thulhu fhtagn

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    Heh, he meant phemark beat the both of you.

    Wonder when these will start hitting machines available to the market. Late Q1 or Q2 probably?
     
    dtwn, Dec 2, 2009
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  17. Serg

    Serg Nowhere - Everywhere

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    Well, the Fudzilla report said that CES is the launch, and knowing how this goes, we shall see this on the M17x, the G73? from ASUS and some Sager 3 months after that?? It is my guess...
     
    Serg, Dec 2, 2009
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    JCMS, Dec 2, 2009
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  19. tianxia

    tianxia kitty!!!

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    tianxia, Dec 2, 2009
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  20. The_Moo™

    The_Moo™ Here we go again.....

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    got mine @ 265$

    gotta love Del being ATI official OEM for ATI cards ;)

    they never run out an always get them first :p
     
    The_Moo™, Dec 2, 2009
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  21. phemark

    phemark Notebook Consultant

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    *slight offtopic:

    Can anyone tell me more sites like http://www.fudzilla.com/ (i.e. various technological news sites, which you trust, use and think is good enough to follow :))

    thanks
     
    phemark, Dec 3, 2009
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  22. Gotei 13

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    From what i know Fudzillia is ATI bias for GPU reviews but they do have good news.

    Sites i use are:
    Techpowerup
    Xbitlabs
    Anandtech
     
    Gotei 13, Dec 3, 2009
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    theinquirer.net
    gizmodo.com
     
    Phinagle, Dec 3, 2009
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    ichime, Dec 3, 2009
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  25. Serg

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    Great find! Looks like they are good to go!
     
    Serg, Dec 3, 2009
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  26. phemark

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    Acer readying beastly DirectX 11 notebook

    We should start seeing more of this kind of laptops soon, but when do you think lower versions of mobility (55**, 56**, 57**) will start appearing in "lower weight" category for notebooks?
     
    phemark, Dec 3, 2009
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  27. Serg

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    55xx wont be coming.
    5650HD was (when this thread started, not sure now) the only 56xx card.
    5750HD would be covering the 56xx area
    58xxHD is the high end
    59xxHD is the new for the 58x0 x2 instead of x2 they renamed it to 59xx
    The lower tier is the 54xxHD series.
     
    Serg, Dec 3, 2009
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  28. phemark

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    Ok, thanks for clarifying.

    So my next questions (quite specific and i dont expect an accurate answer :)) would be:
    1) Do you think Dell Studio XPS 16 will change it's 4670 to 5650 or 5750 (this would be sweeeet :))?
    2) When could it happen?
    3) When was last time Dell updated it's notebooks' GPUs?
     
    phemark, Dec 3, 2009
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  29. Serg

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    Knowing how it worked last time.

    Yes, a 5650HD or 5750HD
    3-6 months after the release of the GPU
    Not so long ago, when they got the bump for 4000HD series Q2-Q3 2009
     
    Serg, Dec 3, 2009
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  30. oblomschik

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    Well, bummer, and I just ordered Studio 17 with 4650 1GB. Hmmm... wonder if it's worth the wait.
     
    oblomschik, Dec 3, 2009
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  31. Melody

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    It's just a question of how long you can wait; we're still unsure as to the exact date where the HD5xxx will reach certain manufacturers. Asus is usually pretty quick on new GPUs, but large companies like HP, Dell and Sony tend to be a bit slower.
     
    Melody, Dec 3, 2009
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  32. dtwn

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    Asus is a large company too, ya know. ;)

    But yes, you have a point.

    Moo made a good point earlier though, Dell is currently partnering ATI, so we might see AW come up first.
     
    dtwn, Dec 3, 2009
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  33. Serg

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    And it couldnt be better...Dell had way too many problems with the faulty chips from NVIDIA on their XPS lines that well...it as coming...
     
    Serg, Dec 3, 2009
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  34. DEagleson

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    Maybe the next Dell XPS m17x i7 remix will contain ATI Mobility HD 58xx?
    They still only got Core 2 Quads as the best option.

    And i bet Compal will be fast in making ATI HD 58xx notebooks for the market.
     
    DEagleson, Dec 3, 2009
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    Sorry, I should've said "mainstream" rather than large; you're right ASUS are a large company. However, they aren't as mainstream and widespread as the other companies around the world.

    The mainstreams are usually slower than the "less known"(for lack of a better word) ones. I recall the first HD4xxx series GPU I saw in a notebook was the MSI EX625.

    But this is simply an observation based on past trends.
     
    Melody, Dec 3, 2009
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  36. rapion125

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    I'm holding out for a 15" notebook with an Arrandale CPU and a Radeon 5000 series GPU.

    If the specs are correct, the Mobility Radeon 5670 should be close to the Nvidia GTX260 in performance. GDDR5 on a 128-bit bus is the same as GDDR3 on a 256-bit bus.
     
    rapion125, Dec 3, 2009
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    Phinagle, Dec 3, 2009
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    Yeah, I read that some weeks ago...it is worrying..ASUS+Toshiba??
     
    Serg, Dec 3, 2009
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  39. tianxia

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    lol dell is getting ganked.
     
    tianxia, Dec 3, 2009
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  40. Serg

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    Not if they release the 5000HD series on their notebooks :p :p :p :p :p
     
    Serg, Dec 3, 2009
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    ASUS+Toshiba = Ashiba......Asushiba......lol
     
    bigspin, Dec 3, 2009
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    People were laughing of me for having a no-name laptop.
     
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    Phinagle, Dec 4, 2009
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    So do they make high end and low end cards with different process (40nm i.e.)? Or do you mean that they make the same amount of high end and low end cards, but the demand is much bigger for high end?
     
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    The high-end chips are larger/more complex and have more room for defects during manufacturing. Depending how bad those defected chips are they can then be turned around and used as lower-end GPUs to increase production output.
     
    Phinagle, Dec 4, 2009
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    i wish notebook parts were more available, because i would have gotten another DTR if that was so...

    hopefully the mobile 5000 series will be equivalent to the desktop 5000 series
     
    Levenly, Dec 4, 2009
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    stupid TSMC... always screwing up... aren't there other chip manufacturers?? Brb....
     
    sean473, Dec 4, 2009
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    Global Foundries perhaps?
     
    Howitzer225, Dec 4, 2009
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  50. fanATIc Nvidiot

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    Not looking good for 40nm in general with all this yield stuff at TSMC but Im holding out forthe Dell studio xps 16 WITH BOTH Arrandale and Direct x 11. The choice of which GPU I'll get IS DOWN TO THE OEM AND SADLY OUT OF MY HANDS but here are the pros and cons of of each outfits parts as I see it in 2010.

    ATI

    1.ATI will be first out the door with 40nm Direct X 11 compliant GPu parts shipping with GDDR5 for notebooks. Nvidia NOTEBOOK Direct x 11 parts (Fermi based) may end up as late as SHIPPING q3 2010 as a GUESS! They will doubtless do some kind of paper launch before that anyway!

    2. These parts should support switchable graphics off the westmere platform=Huge power saving gains. Means you only need to boot up discreet graphics when doing heavy 3D gaming! Light duty apps like browser flash accleration and google maps can be handled by the igp on the arrandale chip. Should mean longer battery life, cooler and quieter notebooks .

    3. These chips will also support the protected audio path (PAP) which allows you to get the best audio DTS hd-MA from blu-ray out of your notebook. BAsically makes the notebook HDMI 1.3 compliant. Finally. Neat!

    BUT THE NVIDIA GPU'S

    1. Are still the only notebook parts to support mobile reference drivers direct from Nvidia. No waiting for OEM's to update to latest drivers. This is HUGe and ATI need to do some catching up here.

    2. Are still the only parts to support hardware Physx acceleration and the list of supported games is growing guys! This can't be simply be ignored any more. CUDA is growing in relevance too. I know ATI has STREAM but NOBODY is using that.

    3. Will probably outperform the ATI parts on a frame to frame benchmark for the same TDP-which in the case of the Dell xps 16 will be 30-35w TDP for the gpu alone!

    This matters because these laptops will be the first to be able to run many modern titles comfortably at 1920x1080 on a (35w TDP gpu anyway). Im thinking MW2 here, New MOH (2010 release), BFBC 2 etc and many others.

    4. The nvidia parts are purported to offer superior switchable graphics to to ATI's solutions, www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16228/34/
    though this remains to be seen.

    FINALLY I'LL SAY THIS,

    Switchable graphics FROM INTEL is huge folks. It represents a paradigm shift and will change the way gaming notebooks operate forever.

    Look at it this way. Arrandale dual core is purported to use 35w TDP. But thats the TDP for both the CPU and the GPU combined! (25w+10w). That means that at 32nm, INtel has got the CPU down to just 25w and the GPU 45nm using 10w (when maxed out). Comparable Centrino 2 parts use 35w TDP on the CPU alone!

    Yes I know you cant compare Intel iGFX to anything even remotely recent from Nvidia, but if It can run my low level apps like google maps and flash acceleration for no more than 10w (maybe even 5-6 when idling) , who cares! I can always boot up the meaty discreet GPU for they heavy duty stuff! If the InteL, NVIDia, ATi and the OEM's get can get it to all work smoothly and properly, Im happy!

    It shouldnt make too much difference if the integrated parts are from Intel or Nvidia, its the DISCREET PART that counts. But I see Intel's switchable graphics making a huge difference IF it delivers on its claims.
     
    fanATIc Nvidiot, Dec 5, 2009
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