ATI Mobility Radeon? HD 2600 vs. Nvidia Geforce 8600M GT 512MB

Please sameone, how i can overclock my hd2600 ? In all softs freqencies goes back to default setting. PowerPlay is off...

 

hey guys that have the ddr3 vers of 2600, what are your stock clock speeds? I bought an hp 8510p with 2600 ddr3 but the frequencies are only 300core and 400mem. If i set the core over 400 or mem over 500 using AMD GPU clock tools, my whole screen turns white and the driver apparently resets. Is everyone's like this or is mine just defective?

 

No, they have underclocked and locked the speeds for the HD 2600 in the 8510p. We are still trying to find a way to unlock and overclocked the HD 2600.

 

With 7.11 Catalyst i got better frame rates . lets just say on CS:SOurce Stress Test Without OC from AMD GPU tool, Got 135fps, OC 700/600 178fps. I'd Post Screenshots for Crysis but im at GF house.

Asus F3KA-A1
AMD Turion X2 TL-60(2.0 GHz)
ATi Radeon HD2600 DDR2 512 MB
Stock 500/400,
2 GB DDR2 667 MHz
160 HDD (5400 rpm)
1.3 MP Camera

 

Yeah if you can post those screens (along with FPS) that would be great.

 

What are the chances of eventually finding a way to fully o/c the 8510p?

 

Did I find really an new official driver for the hd 2600?
http://de.computers.toshiba-europe....=26&selType=11&country=12&language=17&search=
So no more modding needed?


note: Date is not written in US style.

 

Downloading it right now, will try it out on my system. +rep for you if it works.

 

Altough it is from a German site, it should content English.

 

I've always been a fan-obviosly-of nVIDIA and they usually have better cards that outproform ATI's. Yes, the ATI will probably be cooler running, but the nVIDIA will probably (Slightly) outproform the ATI, but they are pretty close too equal.

 

I tried OC my card with catalyst 7.11, but my max in AMD GPU Clock are 530 on gpu and 432 on mem. Higher freq cause stun system and screen goes to white. I dont believe that this is max what card manage. Is it any driver protection?

i have toshiba satellite a200-1m8

 

Hi I'm new and need advice. I've read your discussion on Radieon HD2600, which I have in my new Toshiba A200, and admire your understanding of how it works.
My problem is I have older apps which require 256 colors to work. I can see my graphics setup does not offer anything but true or high color, and so far I have not found how to disable it. Not that I'd know if disabling it would still allow video display.

I was hoping I could setup a profile that I'd use when I need 256 colors, then switch back.

Any help would be greatly appreciated as one of the progs needing 256 colors navigates this boat!
Sailorboy

 

Hmm Out of Curiosity, I heard Disabling Hardware indexing will boost performance, How do you disable this? "Super Fetch and indexing on"

 

Hmm Nvm, Found this website and i'd love to share this to you folks: Disable Hardware Indexing For maximum performance

Takes about 7-10 minutes to disable the index, depends on how much stuff you have on the drive you dont want index on. Have funn, System hog goodbye

 

Do the toshiba driver or modified (desktop) drivers still contain the powerplay functions for notebooks?

 

yes, of course

 

(by link1313)

Im looking to get a toshiba satellite a210-11p soon and one of the main things I'll be doing with it is playing Oblivion. How far behind would you say the hd2600 is in this machine compared to a 8600gt (like on the similarly priced dell vostro which looks well specced but not very interesting piece of gear)

Actually are there any fps benchmarks between these two chips for Oblivion. Ive read the whole of this thread and I cant find any direct comparisons for any game

Thanks

 

Direct comparisons are tough, because no user has both cards to be able to test on the same settings and such. However, from what I've seen, the HD2600 shouldn't lag more than 20% on any game, with the newest drivers.

 

OK - yeah I can see that. Ive just opened up a new post though to see if we can get Oblviion comparisons from people who have machines with these cards (specifically vostro 1500 and satellite s210-11p)

 

LOL. Pretty much if you compare the 8600m GS with the GT for all games instead of Crysis, and Oblivion, they perform relativley the same, until you get to higher resolutions. Thus my statement about the HD2600 being aimed to compare of the 8600M gs is correct. 3D Mark 2006 benchmarks are wack. They are generally inaccurate, and tend to be easily manipulated. Honeslty my 3DMark 06 results jumped by about 300-400 points when I shut off Aero and the sidebar. I overclocked by 50 for each clock, and it jumped by about 200 points. I was able to get a from a 2546 to a 3362 3dMark 06 score using a 8600M GS and doing what I said above.

 

No, look in Ken's thread comparing the GS to the GT head to head, the GS doesn't even come close to the same real world performance as the GT. The HD2600, however, does.

 

Will I be able to play Team Fortress 2 on max settings on the HD 2600 with 256MB GDDR3?

 

Well, I went ahead and got that Toshiba a210-11p with the hd2600 on it. GDD2 I think, but not sure.

Im am well pleased with it. It plays Oblivion on all high except for shadows on grass at an average of about 25fps outside (using tdt console command and having a bit of a wander around). That'll do me. I dont know much about the 8600gs but Im sure this is better.

I really recommend this machine if you want something with pretty good games performance that's stylish too. Only £600 as well.

 

what driver do you use for your HD2600? I have the same card in my ASUS F8SA but it does not work very good. When I play COD4 in high resolution the laptop shuts down after a while. No problem with lagging at all but after gaming for about 30-60min it shuts down. I belive this is casued by bad drivers. I use the drivers pre-installed, aswell as the pre-installed CCC.

 

That's not bad drivers... your computer is overheating and is shutting down to prevent your video card from melting down..

 

Well...my cores are on temp 75 while gaming and my asus tool is telling me to update drivers. But if you are right, what can I do to prevent this heating problem?

I have a ASUS F8SA, C2D T7300, 2gb ram DDR2, HD2600

 

Hi Ever.

I got the drivers from the Toshiba site which was a minor upgrade from the preinstalled ones (7.1xx I think). You cant get official mobility hd 2600 drivers from ati, though here:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=186585

someone's overclocked it using modded 7.10 drivers.

The Toshiba dosent seem to have any problem with overheating.

 

lol. pre installed drivers are weak. Right When I got my F3kA, went to ati.com DL 7.11 catalyst and modder at driver heaven. Then Boom, all games are playable. COD4 ALL EXTRA HIGH at 1280x800 RESO, 30-50 or even higher FPS, no lag at all.

F3KA A1
AMD TURION TL-60
160 HDD
HD 2600 DDR2 512mb
2 gigs of RAM.

 

According to dxdiag I have version 7.14 drivers, but on the ati site the latest drivers for the 2600 are 7.11 Doesnt that mean the ones I got from Toshiba are newer?

Toshiba Satellite A210-11p
AMDTurion X2 TL-56
HD 2600 DDR2 256mb
2GB Ram

 

I don't want to start modding just yet. I just gonna go ahead and install CC 7.10 or 7.11. Do I need to uninstall old version of CC before I install the new one?

 

Not sure but probably in 1280x800

 

Except for: water detail (simple), antialiasing (off), and filtering (trilinear), I run TF2 @ 1680x1050 max settings and haven't had a problem yet.

edit: oh yeah blur effects are off too...but I found those kind of annoying.

 

Says who? You? Who are you, that you think you can claim that? Do you know anything about the people writing there? Are you reviewing every week four, five or more Notebooks? Do you have contacts to Nvidia or ATI in order to get 'real' and valid infos instead of just guessing?
Get a life before you claim such a darned cheek or tell me for which renowned Magazines you write...

Merry Christmas!

 

Because the benchmarks posted by Notebookcheck on any specific card does not say what the rest of the system is (which can affect the results by a lot). They take the numbers from multiple places and take the avarage and post it.

Or how reliable is comparing 3Dmark06 scores when one is done at the non-standard resolution of 1024x768, one at 1280x800 (highest resolution available for that screen) and one at 1280x1024 (3Dmark06 standard)? And that's discounting the reliability of 3Dmark (as it does not show the real world performance of the card, and can't be compared across generations or brands).

 

Wow. Sorry if I offended you in some way.

Regarding notebookreview, I admit that their actual laptop reviews are quite useful, and appear to be professionally done. However their GPU pages and charts are highly misleading, if not downright inaccurate. As mentioned above, they take numbers gathered from multiple different sources, with different system configurations (RAM, CPU, drivers, etc) and attempt to then "rank" the GPUs into different classes, and say which one is "better" or "worse". However, due to the nature of laptop GPUs (not user-switchable the vast majority of the time) their is no way to objectively rank them, it's literally impossible. Their are far too many variables that can't be controlled, and I mistrust any site which seems to ignore that fact, as it misleads readers.

 

fabarati, your points are correct in matters of variance imho. But they DO post the corresponding other system specs now, including the 'whole experimental variance of the mean'. Take for example the NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT. There you'll find with each 'synthetic benchmark' as well as for the game benches a link Einzelwerte im Detail and then you are able to see in which notebook (with CPU, RAM etc.) the card has 'reached' which score. Also they now show the variance itself, for example like min: 18265, avg: 21749, max: 24798 Points. And everyone can get the picture about the specific card performs.

Show me any other site doing it that way ... i think

Anyway, you know that all that kind of 'measurements' suffer from other bandwagon effects like driver-version, settings of it, Vista or XP, with Vista a lot of other parameters, including power states settings of the CPU (C1-C4) and, and, and...Additionally the variance of the corresponding test itself, 'cause we don't know the source code. Some drivers of Nvidia perform with one given game better than the ATI counterpart and vice versa. Some weeks later the situation is completely different.

After all i find that they make a pretty good job, improvements of their testing procedures included. And - if you have constructive ideas for improvements of that stuff, why then not post there about your ideas? I am pretty sure that constructive critics is more than welcome. But not such defamatory statements like of odin243.

Just my 2cents...

 

Holy ****, they've improved their benchmark pages. It was not this way the last time I was there. Before, there was just the avarage benchmark in a list. Now they've acutally the system specs.

Like the site for the go7700 http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-Go-7700.2142.0.html. Earlier all pages looked like this. And thus, you can't compare to the GPU's that have the old style.

 

odin243, sry. Crosspost

Oki - i got and 'see' your points. Especially the one with '...Their are far too many variables that can't be controlled, and I mistrust any site which seems to ignore that fact, as it misleads readers...' i absolutely second!!

But please see my given example link ... they at least 'try' to handle that 'vicious circle' of variables and are steadily trying to improve that 'comparisons'. And believe me, that whole stuff isn't made just the easy way .

And - now back to topic *lol* - in some days i expect some results of the Mobility Radeon HD2600 XT vs. Geforce 8600M GT (including some pretty interesting details *g*)

 

@ testguys

i´m back at the topic....

since you seem to be from the notebookcheck team... i just had a look at the benchmark results for the hd 2600 on your page.
well since hp has put a new bios on their website the hd 2600 now is finally showing the stock clocks of 500/600mhz for core/mem.

it seems you have just tested a hd 2600 with gddr2 memory, there´s a lot more potential in this card. your tests for the synthetic 3dmark06 shows results around 3000 points.

since this bios "upgrade" we now can finally test the hd 2600 with gddr3 ram with it´s full potential. in my case the card shows around 3440 points in 3dmark06 with stock clocks under xp32. even ocing is possible now.

how about adding the gddr3 hd 2600 to the benchmark results list ?
do you make use from test results made by "externals" ?

 

@ Testguys: I do apologize, as I had not seen their new review pages. However, in truth that really doesn't fix anything, as the old results are still just as bad as they always were. In order for me to start halfway trusting notebookcheck again, their benchmark list and comparison page would have to be removed or completely redone.

 

And fix the parts that are plain wrong.

 

Good news for the mobility hd2600 users! I used to have catalyst 7.10 prior to the newest 7.12 (both modded by the mod utility) and with those drivers I almost always experienced graphics stunning with oc values exceeding stock values too little (like 50 for core 30-50 for mem using AMD GPU clock tool). After installing Catalyst 7.12 (after modding) I tried a few oc parameters and tata!!! the system would never stun even at core speeds of 700Mhz unfortunatly my system utilizes DDR2 RAMs which are 400Mhz stock clocked. With regard to the mem clocks I could get the system up and health @575Mhz. As a result I now can achieve core speed of 650Mhz and mem speed of575Mhz robust!!! This boosted my windows experience index aero parameters from 4.8 to 5.9 and gaming graphics parameter from 4.7 to 5.3. I am looking forward to see more results from other radeon 2600s. Catalyst 7.12 might be the bomb ATI fans have been waiting and Nvidia fans have been fearing.

by the way I almost forgot to say how cool it was running at these settings

 

Have you tested it with gaming? I'm willing to try if you want to set up some parameters that I'll test on my end.

 

woow, nice!
I've never done a OC, but i'm feeling very tempted!!

 

I only have starcraft and warhammer DOW installed in my system so game performance testing is hard for my case. However, if you would supply me with the URLs of free test sources I have some free time this weekend that I can spend with testing. I really do wonder wht ppl with DDR3 ram will get out of this solution.

 

By the way my system is a Toshiba A200-1AH with:
core2 duo t 7300 @2.0Ghz
2Gb RAM
ATI mobility radeon hd2600 core@500Mhz mem@400Mhz (stock values)
160 HD
running vista 32 bit

 

there is a synthetic benchmark called 3dmark06. you could download that one and test your system. but the test needs to be run at a resolution of 1280x1024, otherwise the test-result will not be comparable.

concerning the potential of the hd2600 gddr3 :
since HP did offer a new bios for their 8510P model it is possible to overclock the hd 2600.
here are some testresults :
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=2794686&postcount=24

HP did not seem to have unlocked the full potential of the card - whenever i try to push the core clock above 640 mhz i will get a system crash. the core of the hd 2600 should go way higher , at least a hundred mhz more.

btw, my highest 3dmark06 result with 1280x1024 is 4272 points

http://service.futuremark.com/orb/resultanalyzer.jsp?projectType=14&XLID=0&UID=13250365

 

@ cangem,

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=2460732

 

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just to beat your curiosity I don't speak arabic that's why.