ATi Mobility HD 6000 series Roadmap

I know it's not the one we are interested in, but it's a start and it's much better than what happened with the 40nm process.

 

is the x8100 clevo upgradable for the new ati 6800 series?

 

We won't know which machines support them until after they're released.

 

Chinese site ZOL.com.cn posted a preview of XFX's desktop Barts cards that support the 1120/1280 SPU counts...

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...only problem is their spec chart seems to get the clock rate wrong on the HD6850...ZOL's chart clocks the HD6850 at 725Mhz but the XFX package is showing 775Mhz. Could just be that XFX pumped up the reference clocks or it could be ZOL used rumored specs.

An e-tailer from Holland listed Sapphire's version of the HD6850 for presale and listed it clocked at 725Mhz.

 

35% performance increase from the 5770 to the 6850. Not bad.

 

And support for 800/960 SPU counts...

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These look more legit, and I actually kind of hope they are because a 960 SPU Barts XT has more of a shot making it to Blackcomb then a 1280 SPU GPU does.

960 SPU pushing out near Cypress XT performance is also a lot more impressive.

 

One big question I am not getting from the articles, will the graphic cards be on the shelfs on the release date and into computers? or will they take a month or two to reach main stream adaptation?

 

On the desktop side, it's likely the shelf date, with a very limited supply.

 

So around December/January we should see laptops with these graphic cards as well as intel's new chips ?

 

Desktop Barts will be on shelves by the end of October, Cayman (and maybe Antilles) will follow in November, and the rest should come in January.

My personal prediction...
Mobile models should be shown in January with a notebook from ASUS, and maybe Sager, for sale by, or before, March. An HP Envy upgrade could happen early too. Alienware will take longer, and MSI always takes forever and a day to get their machines out.

 

Hmm, well it depends on:

- How long ago AMD started working with notebook manufacturers, giving them the specifications of their 6000 series. Also, contracts come in to play. A company like Asus will have a contract for Mobility 6800 in the works, ahead of companies like Clevo.

- How AMD allocates the available chips, between the desktop and mobile markets. It's a safe bet, that the vast majority of the 6800 series will go to the desktop side.

But yeah, January/February is the safest bet.

 

I'd be so happy if HP reintroduces the Envy 15 with the ATi 6000 series and Sandy Bridge while managing to keep it around 5lbs. drool....

 

Now it's 960/1120 SPU counts for Barts PRO/XT...

Radeon HD 6870 has 1120 shaders - Fudzilla

donanimhaber.com

Benchmarks popping up:
Dirt2 & Battleforge

 

Then it looks like that leaked data sheet was on point.

I'm fine with the 960 shader mobile part. On paper it's quite an upgrade.

 

Slightly to the left of point.

That slide puts Barts PRO at 1120 SPU and XT at 1280. Shift the shader and texture counts one column right and it would match up to what's being said now.


By the same margin the old slide "got it right" too...they just assigned the 960 shader count to Barts XT instead of PRO.


Also, as a note, I don't necessarily believe FUD's claim of Barts still being 5D arch yet.

 

All the details could be coming out tomorrow...

AMD Technical Forum and Exhibition 2010 Agenda

That's 12:45PM in Taipei, Taiwan

 

Oops, I linked to the wrong slide. My mistake.

 

There are now rumors about Barts XT being priced around 260$. Big let-down if true, that would mean performance/dollar got more or less nowhere in a year, yaay. Maybe they'll lower prices when the cypress inventory is cleared, idk.

 

It's not a huge improvement, but it's an improvement. Remember that XT is beyond the 6870 (1280 vs. 1120), and the 6870 edges the 5850 which currently holds that price point. Consequently, you're talking 5870 performance from 1280 shaders for only $260. That is, of course, unless you meant Barts PRO, in which case the 6870 is indeed only a small jump over the 5850.

 

I'm guessing probably 1120 shaders to be reasonably optimistic and maybe 25% performance to be reasonly optimistic in the mobile segment (the 6870M over the current 5870M). 1280 shaders to be very unreasonably optimistic and 40% performance gain to be unreasonably optimistic.

 

so i guess the launch 6000 series are not for taking out the GTX480 but the medium range GTX460 parts...

 

Fusion vs. GF119 & GT 420.
Caicos vs. GT 430.
Turks vs. GT 440 & GT 450.
Barts vs. GTX 460 & GTX 470.
Cayman vs. GTX 475, GTX 480 & GTX 580.
Antilles vs. IDK maybe dual GF104 if that's not what GF110 is.

 

Wuts the estimated TDP on the Cayman cards?

I'm really hoping it's equal to if not less than the that of the 5800s.

 

Cayman XT less than 300W for the entire board...PRO less than 255W.

 

This is right during my lunch break. I'll keep an eye out.

 

So, is it safe to expect ~5850 performance, from an overclocked Mobility 6870?

If it can achieve that, we're looking at it challenging a stock Mobility 5870 Crossfire setup. Pretty crazy.

 

GPU Wars: Nvidia vs. ATI: AMD's Upcoming Caicos Graphics Card Pixellized

for the entry level card, even though you guys are all drooling over the top end models

 

AMD has started letting review sites show off pics of the new cards though specs can't be announced until Friday...

Radeon 6870 scores 7500 in 3Dmark Vantage

AMD?s Radeon HD 6800 Series & Llano ?Fusion? APU: A Story in Pictures - AnandTech :: Your Source for Hardware Analysis and News


Counts of 960 for PRO and 1120 for XT seem almost definite now...

AMD Radeon HD 6800 Specifications Leaked by VR-Zone.com

Donanimhaber.com dedicated Radeon 6000 newspage


Slides...

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Benchmarks...

 

I just read that the TDP of the 6870 is 150W. That ain't good.

From the looks of it, ATI is trying to beat Nvidia's performance at the same TDP and price point. Which may mean that the 100W Mobility Radeon is on its way.

 

That is surprising? Nvidia effectively redefined what TDP is acceptable for gaming notebooks. ATI can either play along and compete or simply under-perform and beat them on performance/dollar. See how far that's gotten AMD versus Intel?

Phinagle, thank you for being an excellent source of info. I don't have to do any story hunting myself with you around.

 

Except they both use different measures for TDP.

 

Card versus board. But why does that matter? All that matters to the consumer is how big of a heatsink and fan the ODM needs to fit the card and what the relative performance is to the competitor's card with equivalent cooling. (or was that directed at Blacky's post and not mine?)

 

I was referring to Blacky's post, how a 100W TDP ATI part would require a bigger heatsink than a 100W TDP nVidia part.

 

You're welcome.

The numbers being shown are Max Board Power and Idle Power which are power consumption values not TDP. The HD6870 has the same Max Board Power as HD5850 and reviews show that the desktop HD5850 has lower power draws than any version of GTX 460....ipso facto HD6870 wins perf/watt against Nvidia's good Fermi.

The lower Idle Power of HD6870 could have GTX 460 beat this time around too.


Anyway like I keep saying, a 100W TDP mobile GPU is fine if it brings the extra performance along with the extra wattage, and there's always lower model numbers for lower TDP cards. Not that I think AMD will need to go to 100W to beat mobile GF104.

 

BTW by the looks of this image HD6800 is using a 5D architecture.

The smart people on Beyond3D forums have found evidence in the drivers that at least one GPU will use a 4D arch but it's not looking like it'll be Barts.

 

I expect some performance increase after a few driver update
at that time maybe the hd6870 will compete with the hd5870 rather than the hd5850

 

how can you tell from that ppicture to me it looks only like a preatty desing fromt eh marketing departement ....

 

Each red block represents the 80 ALU in a SIMD, and if you zoom in enough they're broken into groups of 4 small thin red bars(simple units) and 1 slightly thicker red bar(transcendental unit).

Here's a zoomed in shot...
Beyond3D Forum - View Single Post - AMD: R9xx Speculation

 

Check this:

AMD Radeon HD 6870 and HD 6850 officially pictured, coming this Friday -- Engadget

 

Wow, those 68xx fans are loud

 

If ATI goes 100W, delivering the relative power of the 5850, I'm totally on board.

 

I don't doubt that the competing parts from AMD will match and/or beat the current GF104 since it is an "older" part now. Every generation just brings a little bit more performance to 1-up the last generation competition. Then a few months after, nVidia will release their updated GPU that will best AMD (and so on and so forth). Hence, I don't think we'll see anything mind-blowing from the new HD 6xxx series.

 

For those of us that are novices and some what lost ( the numbering system is confusing ) what are we looking at for mobility card levels and release dates? or are we all waiting on Friday to have this question answered?

 

The fun begins with Kepler or even Maxvell.

That would be too optimistic. January would be closer to reality.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/6802851-post360.html

You planning on building an HPC-computer in 2012?

 

If our civilization survives that long - why not

 

A Nuclear Winter would be one way to keep Fermi II/Kepler cooled.

 

now comes the question on how to power them unless you have the last nuclear reactor on hand you'r preatty screwed

 

They'll have portable fusion generators soon enough, though lower manufacturing process typically means less power consumed...

 

unless they go real big but with ati pushing in thier back they likely won't get the choice much