All nVidia G84 and G86 cores are defective?!

Because, like the article states, a lot of cards take quite a while to show the defect.

 

running cool?

many 8400/8600's are running above 80-90 degrees while gaming, some reach those temperatures while just idling.

 

Where do they say revision A2??

I have A1 but I sure hope your right.

 

Since not all of them are overclocked beyond rational limits and saddled with malfunctioning cooling equipment.

 

I see a lot of people on here worried about maximum temps that their cards reach
this issue is not about overheating
its about heat cycles
so it doesnt matter how hot it gets it the fact that the materials holding things together break down over time, with heat cycling.

its all about lifespan too, as materials would in general break down over a number of years , possibly faster in a notebook. Just look at how dry solders become a problem down the line for so many products.

 

I have a revision A2 8700GT and it gets fairly toasty, that said the fan's doing kick in till 80 deg C and then at full load it sits at about 75ish

glad I have a 3 year warantee now.

so It's deffinatly the A2 revision?

edit: @ BOFH but if its a case of the card physically flexing then lowering the temp's between non opperating and full load/idle will reduce the amount of movement and hence provlong the life of the card?

 

My 8600gt seems to underclock everyonce in a while. I tried tons of drivers, but still underclocks. The temps don't go over 80 degrees Should i send my laptop back to sager, and ask them if they can do anything?

 

If it's mostly about heat cycles then why is the work-around to make the fan run more often? I would think that keeping the laptop from going into sleep mode would do more to address heat cycling, but that was not suggested as a solution.

 

That's not toasty at all. Start worrying if you card hit 100+ and never stabilise

 

temperature extremes might probably speed up the problem thinking about it.

its just some of the components may fail sooner than they should, extended warranties would be a good idea. but of course these often cost extra.

this type of problem has very likely happened to other companies before , think dvd players (how hot do they actually need to be btw?) and hifi's etc.
I must have had 3 dvd players that have failed within 2 years, due to component breakdown. not good, cheap or expensive same difference boooo!

 

I have 8600M GT and as I boot up 50C in matter of 15 minutes time and in IDLE mode the GPU is at 85C and holding.

I would say that is not "Normal" at all.

 

what nVidia's stress tool ???

 

If a GPU is affected by this heat cycle issue, does it pass through stages before if fails? In other words, does it run at normal temps for a few months, and then at some point starts to run hot before it finally fails? Or does it just go from normal temps to failure?

 

Thats correct, unless you buy a laptop with a bad thermal design to start with. Then you really have something to worry about, because its just going to get worse.

 

Hi bwhxeon, do you mean if you have a laptop with GOOD thermal design ... that has nice laid out of exhaust and heatsinks ... then even having a bad 8400 or 8600 GPU will not give you a problem!?!?

G!

 

no, a notebook with bad thermal design will just compound the problem whether or not you have a defective or non defective gpu.

 

Well, I think that the article is incorrect; I believe the issue is widespread throughout their GPUs, because HP's bulletin that introduces the new BIOS encompasses a huge variety of Pavilion laptops... my own included, which has the Geforce Go 7200. It has been in repair for a month due to GPU failure, likely the result of heat damage.

 

I think the question is, will any compensation be offered if some day our laptops fail because of overheating/heat stress?

 

Yes, nVidia is setting up a procedure for replacement/repair.

 

When do they roll out the recall?? I have the 8400M G, not the GS, hoping it is on the recall list because I cant wait to get a new lappy

 

In repair for a month?!? Did they give you a replacement in the meantime? I'll be beyond irate if mine takes that kind of time to repair...

 

Hi folks,

If nVidia is setting up a procedure for replacement/repair. Why have they been so hush hush about the whole thing. I guess lot of Users have been reporting failing GPU's for a while now.

Bog, good point and heads up for unsuspecting souls. THANKS!

According to Chaz Mobile Graphic Card INFO Page ... nVidia's 9600M GT is same GPU as 8600M GT except rebranded ... I wonder if they have FIXED the packaging material that has caused all this problem.

But if it is across the board problem then why they are not coming out with various rebranded models!!!

G!

 

Heh...not at all. The 9600M GT is a G96 and it's as powerfull as the 8700M GT. The 9500M GS is a rebranded 8600M GT and the 9650M GS is a rebranded 8700M GT

 

Hi JCMS,

THANKS ...

darn did I misread the numbers.

G!

 

It first failed one day after the laptop would not POST, instead only beeping 4 times. A quick check of an HP's technician manual revealed it as a message that the GPU had failed; so I dropped it off at my local store for repair, using my T42 instead for two weeks while I expected them to replace the board.

When I got it back, the AC jack and AC adapter had been replaced; an indication that the motherboard had indeed been replaced. However, after about 10 minutes of usage I noticed that the laptop was idling at 90C+; the fan was not working at all. I returned it for repair the same day.

Another two weeks are up and I am still without my HP. This link reveals more about the Nvidia fiasco; the overheating GPU also causes heat damage to other nearby components, such as the wireless card (which is right on top of the GPU).

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?lc=en&cc=us&docname=c01087277&dlc=en

For those who are curious, note that not all of the models affected by the overheating (which is presumably from the GPU and is damaging surrounding parts) use the architectures specified by the article. In fact, it shouldn't come as a surprise if Nvidia doesn't even know which of their designs are affected. Time will tell.

If this issue comes up again, I am going to find myself asking Future Shop for a replacement unit for the second time because of faulty design (last faulty laptop was a Toshiba Satellite A70). It seems impossible to get a new laptop these days that doesn't have a fatal design flaw.

 

That is incorrect; the Geforce 9600M GT is superior to the 8600M GT. The 9500M GS on the other hand is the equivalent of the 8600M GT DDR2.

 

Input appreciated but already addressed and resolved!

Can't think of a nicer company for this to happen to other than say Intel? I guess they got fat and all. I do feel bad for all affected but well not for a company that put out bad chips at the expense of another and saying oh ours are so much better.

 

Everything reported by the majority of the reviewers shows that the problem is generalised and nvidia is just hiding the greatest fiasco ever..

 

Exactly.. anyone else thinking class action lawsuit?

 

Grats lawyers on a really fat paycheck and you on $15?

 

Would i be able to fix this if i send it back to sager or will i have to wait for nvidia to fix this themselves.

 

Sager can't fix this issue. None of the manufacturers can until Nvidia figures out a solution.

 

If your card fails under the warranty period then you should be able to get it replaced... however I don't think nVidia will solve the problem. All I think they are doing right now is offering replacements and repairs to GPUs that fail.

 

Hi Arquis,

1st of all love the Avatar (color & all).

Arquis ... I noticed your sigline ... you have a Macbook with 8600 card ... have you experienced these problems in your Mac?

Thanks,
G!

 

nVidia doesn't manufacture the chips, they only design them. The problem wasn't the design, it was the manufacturers who leased nVidia's design that used weaker materials to cut costs.

The people who really lose are the people who are affected by the faulty hardware.

 

Thanks

There was one time where when I opened my MBP from sleep it was just red and black artifacts (the entire screen) but after a restart it went back to normal. I'm hoping that's not an early indicator, but it's only happened once in the whole year I've had it, and it wasn't while doing anything with the GPU so I think it was just a random glitch or something.

Other then that, no my 8600 has been running flawlessly and I play games on it a lot.

 

How would nVidia go about issuing replacements? Wouldn't a replacement of the GPU likely result in incompatibilities to what's on the end user's hard drive?

 

Not if you replace it with the same card? I read somewhere that they are using 150-200 million dollars in order to cover costs for failed GPUs. If you send the thing in to your manufaturer to get it fixed, they've got to replace it with something.

 

I don't think they'll replace it with an unaffected model, as it brings further complications. I am not hoping that they replace my 7200 with something better, although I'd be more than happy.

 

The Brothers Power Pin and Graphics Card settlement got affected HP ZD7000 owners a new MB with a different (ATI) GPU after it was determined a design flaw caused the GeForce 5600/5700 GPUs to overheat and kill the MB.
I was fortunate enough to get a new DV9700T out of the deal.... that has a 8400M GS GPU, which I presume may be affected by the Nvidia fiasco

 

That was my initial allusion of the replacement scenario.

Changing the GPU would, in practice, likely resort in a formation of the end user's hard drive. Otherwise, manufacturers/nVidia risk sending back wonky systems, systems riddled with unchecked compatibility issues.

 

Never said they'd replace it with an unaffected model... just the same one if it breaks.

 

You know ... I was thinking about a laptop that has "9600M GT" ... according to the posts here and some other folks ... it should not have the same Heating problem that NVIDIA 8400 and 8600 had.

But I am not sure ... so I may play it safe and just stay with Intel Onboard Graphics ... to play it safe.

I hardly play games anyway ... that is for now. May be by the time I graduate to that level (2 or 3 years from now) things be fixed up.

G!

 

I was planning to buy the HP dv9700t in two days and get the 8400GS. Should I wait to buy this now?

 

I was waiting to buy a Refurbished MBP but now I can instead buy the Gateway
M-6864HFX from Best Buy. Its only a thousand and it has an ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2600 with 512MB memory so its a much safer route then the defected G86xx

 

If you guys didnt know HP actualy was having overheating problems in their zd7000 serries with nvidia go 5200's and 5600's to the point where they did replace the graphics card for an ati radeon x600 just an fyi that they can change it if they want to. i honestly think if it affects hp they will put an nvidia 9200m gs onto the board instead.

 

i probaly should have red the page before this first realising that someone all ready talked about it lol

 

the worst of all is that nvidia is covering up the whole matter...

 

sorry to resurrect the old thread but there is an official statement made by dell which confirms that dells are affected and they are modifying the fan speeds to increase the lifespan of affected GPUs:

This article can be found here: http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2008/07/25/nvidia-gpu-update-for-dell-laptop-owners.aspx

 

Hi Styxar,

THANKS for the Article. Wow I noticed the Inspiron 15xx models were not among those affected ... wow.

Finally a Responsible company who informs their customers ... this puts DELL back on my list good source for Computers ... even though they charge an arm and a leg.

Why haven't we seen something like this from nVIDIA!?!? You know to put people's mind at ease ... they should have released the Batch Number of the affected GPUs.

G!