Battlefield 3 Discussion Thread

To be honest, a lot is riding on Armored Kill (a bit much for a DLC, if you ask me). Close Quarters was a feeble attempt at getting the run-n-gun players to like this game. I can't justify ANYTHING in Close Quarters being $15, though. It's too early to tell for Armored Kill, as well, but I'll keep my expectations in check just in case all goes south from here.

I'm actually looking forward to more urban maps via Aftermath. More "true" urban warfare in a Battlefield game sounds like heaven for infantry-based maps. Aftermath should complement Armored Kill nicely, I think.

 

I don't know a whole lot about Armored Kill, but I do hope the AC-130 isn't going to be some kind of overkill cheesefest.

 

consider yourself very lucky. last night, i was playing in a clan server and was constantly being killed by this one guy (who belonged to that clan) whose bullets (infantry) or tank shells (in vehicle) would instantly connect with my head, all the time, always, without fail. even when i had the upper hand and had like 3 or 4 hits on him and was suppressing him (obviously, in infantry mode and not when he was in a vehicle).

his K/D ratio was 22/1, while the second person in his team had K/D of 20/12; the first and second players in our team had many deaths as well. this one guy was the only one with a single death for a very very long time, and he was not camping, but was actively participating in the match.

i commended him on the quality of his aimbot and asked him if he could stop using it, and i suddenly got kicked out of the server by the admin (him? or a friend of his? idk!). i decided to follow the game via Battlelog's live report, and his K/D ratio went up to 37/1.

 

Ive had a lot of experience on both CoD and BF3.

Ill try 'n be as clear as possible:

CoD: 75% of the servers i've visited had cheaters on em.
BF3: maybe 5%. maybe.

People who write the hacks/cheats are very inventive, so there's no way to ban em all, cause new one will just roll in.
Think about it, they even hired a few of those hackers to fill in the blind spots.

And I agree, Aftermath will be a great addition to BF3.
But as I see it, it's still a Battlefield, being a giant field where people can just do a 32 vs 32, heads on. I think that's what it's really about.

 

Guys, I know these are two totally different games, but I looked on the search function and only found one thread on the Battlefield Play for Free game. I downloaded that game recently and have enjoyed it quite a bit...particularly some of the times when riding in vehicles with others I have laughed harder than I can remember in a long time...like when a guy last night speeding down the road and ran us into the river. We both jump out at the same time and are standing on the vehicle that is on it's side sinking into the river, as we just look at each other for a minute. :laugh: I also really enjoy the team component when you get some folks who are willing to play as a team and not go all Rambo solo.

Anyway, I was wondering if perhaps I'd enjoy BF3 as much as the play for free game (or more hopefully). Can anyone out there tell me some of the key differences in the two games? I did search around on Google for a while also but cannot find a direct comparison. I know that P4F has an older graphics engine, for example. Are weapons locked out on Multi-player in BF3 until you advance in rank also? Any input is appreciated.

 

Guaranteed every noob will go straight for the AC-130. The smart players will stay away for the first handful of weeks. EVERYONE will have their sights on that thing so it's best to stay away, I think. I just can't wait to get multiple kills taking her down since she's a mobile spawn point, hehe...

 

Sad thing is these bozos are both still playing:

last seen 22 hours ago: NINJAdrpeppers - Battlelog / Battlefield 3

last seen 6 days ago: PunkBuster66 - Battlelog / Battlefield 3

 

Well, DICE did reset them, which is the best they could do anyways.
Punkbuster can only detect and mark violations.
It's only up to the servers to enforce the offense with whatever tool they decide to use.

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IP bans are meaningless.
HW bans just impractical, another way to screw someone who happen buy new or used hardware to be outright banned cause someone spoofed.

Require ID/SSN, well ... many things can go wrong as well that can go right.

Or actually design it like a modern OS, sacrifice lots of performance to make it difficult. I don't mind the 30+ fps loss at random places and times.

 

What Falco said

 

I'm confused? Just reset their stats? They can ban the account. They've done it before. Force them to buy another copy of the game if they really want to play again, but might think twice about cheating after shelling out $50 each time.

 

I agree. Resetting their stats doesn't give the kills back to the people they cheated against.

 

Unfortunately, that not under Dice control but EA's.

EA could but I doubt EA would be ready test consumer laws of various countries if they tried.



As I said before, Punkbuster doesn't ban except for serious offenses, which your typical run of the mill cheater won't fall in.
They only detect and flag accounts by unique ids.
You need to use a 3rd party addon to enforce whatever Punkbuster detects like metaban or pbban.
The server owners can pick and choose who cheated according what cheat they used for example.

Also, DICE can only send request to Punkbuster. It is up to Punkbuster either to flag or let their automatic system handle.

 

Well... been playin' this game for 3 days in a row (not EXACTLY in a row, you know what I mean)
- and........................... I've met hackers in AT LEAST 80% of the servers.

I give up. So many hackers were banned in BC2, loved that game, it was playable for a very very long time.

BF3 just isn't. I cannot, this is impossible, simply impossible. Even when I join normal games, there's always 5 idiots abusing bugs and doing weird cr** to ruin everything for you.

I cannot comprehend this amount of retardation! I CANNOT. Medal of Honor: Warfighter is coming soon, better buy it, play it and scrap it before the cheaters arrive

 

I don't understand this at all. Why don't EA/DICE have better anti-cheat systems to both detect and punish hackers? You want people to keep buying/playing your game? Locate the cheaters and deal with them accordingly. If you're caught using cheats (mild to severe) then your account will be banned. If you're caught glitching or using bugs to your advantage then you'll be kicked from the server, reported, and temporarily banned from the game. People mention the bugs to DICE and DICE fixes them.

I don't understand where any difficulty comes into play. Sounds easy as hell, to me.

 

It is.. just very time consuming. Something EA doesn't want, something DICE wanted to implement for a long time but doesn't want to use all of it's resources on... damn you EA!

 

While it sound easy, implementing them isn't.
Remember, computers are stupid.
Interpreting them into computer logic is a pain to figure out without causing starvation.

DICE does reset people exploiting certain bugs but they usually give up or get really lazy when people are just abusing the report button out of spite.
When I say lazy, they eventually mindlessly reset with no apology.

Funny, how small the bug fix listing is, but the patch is insanely huge. And it doesn't include the upcoming DLC (except for B2K).

 

EA/Dice write the code for the hacks and sell them. Making money on both ends

 

How is it difficult? They have banned before:

EA bans and stat-wipes hundreds of BF3 cheaters | VG247

Hundreds of Battlefield 3 players banned over cheating - Battlefield 3

It's not hard to do. You cheat, you click on BF3 to start, it says "sorry your BF3 account has been disabled due to cheating." Done.

 

This + my previous comment = simplest way of putting it.

Oh, EA can go to hell for all I care. Absorbing DICE was/is probably the worst thing to happen to the Battlefield franchise's future on the PC. DICE wants to help prevent cheating? Yay! BUT WAIT! EA says they'll make more money if they don't!

If they didn't focus as much on console games or, God forbid, they didn't make any at all then they could allocate those resources to improving the PC community. If I were DICE I would have said to hell with EA and provided PC players with something they would pay for. No need to half a highly accredited series.

 

How do you deactivate BF3 without uninstalling the game and updates? I need to reinstall drivers.

 

You shouldn't need to deactivate BF3 to reinstall drivers. They're entirely independent.

 

I'm getting better and better, despite being pretty far behind in ranks and unlocks. I just ranked up to 15 and unlocked the AEK-971 last night. On another note, Comcast can go right to hell. I didn't realize that paying $100+ a month for 20 MB down/10 up meant I would get 10 down and 3 up, plus a nice helping of 1-2% packet loss. All night. I was jumping around like I had just washed down a bottle of Adderall with a gallon of Red Bull.

 

Are you playing on low ping servers?

 

Yes, mostly. It was tolerable except for lossy "spikes" where I would jitter in place and then teleport backwards 5 feet.

 

Have you try a basic check to see if there is a problem between you and your modem and then from your modem to world yet?

Heat is bad, but old cable modems that are over year old are really sensitive to them than they were brand new.
Learned that from a $250 mistake with a 3 yr old modem.

 

I haven't tried to nail down the fault yet. I really like blaming Comcast for things because they suck, but if it's not fixed tonight I may do a check to see if it's on my end.

 

BF just did a "Premium Edition Announcement".
Battlefield 3: Premium Edition Announcement Trailer - YouTube

What's the point on releasing it now after some many months?? Also the price tag is $69.99 with head start and base game. They surely know how to juice until the last drop.

 

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

To be honest, I'm worried that Armored Kill will flood the game with an entirely new (and overwhelming) batch of glitches, bugs, and cheats when the vanilla game is still missing quite a few things :/

 

I don't really understand the backlash against the Premium edition. Why does it upset people? Should we get mad about every game ever made when it goes down in price? I paid 60 bucks for Half Life in 1998, and now it's only 5 bucks! I'm angry!

 

Premium initially cost $50. Now it costs $70. Those who bought BF3: Limited Edition felt cheated because Back To Karkand came with it, but we were essentially paying for it again. That's not even mentioning the fact that no DLC should ever cost $15 (nor should games cost $60). People claim "DLC should be free," and DICE has done so in the past, but the companies involved still need to make a profit. I have no issues with that. Unfortunately, EA has become increasingly greedy and does not care.

I still can't find the logic behind gun and soldier camouflages. They are completely unnecessary, contribute nothing, and don't even work. Why are they in the game...?

It's not just about the price. It's the quality of the product.

Sorry for hijacking the thread -__-

 

No it doesn't. Premium is still 50. The Premium edition is now 70 and includes the base game, meaning the base game is essentially marked down to 20. Also, aren't most COD map packs 15? Those have much less effort invested than the BF3 packs. I just don't see anything to get all up in arms about. Paid DLC isn't going anywhere.

 

Had a solid night of jet flying. Went 21-6 in 2 rounds (10-5@11-1) which I'm happy with. Most of my kills came from picking off infantry and using guided missiles to blow up tanks, but I'll take it.

Still trying to keep my nose stable when dog fighting. I have plenty of opportunities, but usually blow it.

 

How do you manage to do that? Any server I get on where I can actually get a jet, it's because the opposition has two guys working together and can barely take off before they're on my rear. Seems to be the norm for any server. On servers where the other team doesn't have decent pilots I can't get a jet to save my life.

Plus it seems rockets do absolutely nothing. I can come in from a distance on a tank from the rear, get 80% hits with rockets (as indicated by X's), reload and do another 5-6 rockets before I have to circle around and only disable if I'm lucky. Although when I'm in a tank I seem to blow up with just a few rockets.

 

For both the Helo and Jet.

Each rocket does 4 damage points (nerf - Damage Reduction + Splash Reduction + Larger Deviation + Shorter Dropoff + No Damage Bonus), no matter where you hit.

Tanks and AA disable starts at 50.


Against AA, depending on their experience, I fly high and dive run with the sun behind me.
If they are experienced enough to hit the sprint key, I'm going to need help with all air assets.
Seriously, need 2 jets and 1 helo to just to kill them with a good chance of losing one in the process.


To get a decent play with jets, is to seriously avoid Instant Spawn Servers and Learn to Fly Servers.
The probability of you facing against very experienced pilots is very high.
So you have a chance to learn a bit of your mistake instead of never figure out how to fix your mistake after doing so.

 

How do you fair so well with the guided missile? I've never used it with the jet before, but every other time I've used it (with tanks and infantry fighting vehicles) someone always deploys IR smoke.

Needless to say, I'm a huge fan of IFVs now with the anti-tank rounds. 6 normal rounds + 6 AT rounds = playground of destruction.

Sadly, though, I'm still using the jets for air-to-ground assaults because I haven't focused much on air-to-air combat with the new keyboard/mouse setup :/

Sorry for the double post, but, unless Falco disagrees with this, I just switch from rockets to the nose cannon, back to rockets and finish with the nose cannon (IF it's needed, that is). The rockets reload while you switch to your nose cannon.

 

They pop their smoke every time. I probably get 1 kill for every 10 missles. Just have to hope they are still charging from the previous deployment. Also there are jeeps and stuff that don't have smoke. I'm not sure what I'm shooting at until I fire away, I'm just looking for the solid orange square and solid beep. Then fire away and unleash the cannons.

 

@Metallica93

I don't disagree. I still use the gun anyways.
Unfortunately, it is not enough for a kill most of the time. The max we can do with the conquest jet gun with a full burst is 20 damage on tanks.
However, they deal ~30 damage against inf per hit.

Also, with guided missile, since the April patch, they do exactly 60 damage against ground vehicles regardless of laser designation.
Also, it takes much longer to lock on jeeps than tanks.

Reactive Armor does protect against TV missles.

 

~30 damage per hit? Damn. In general, thanks for all the info, oh great sky warrior

Do the jets in Rush actually differ from the ones in Conquest? In reality, the A-10 should have a more powerful nose cannon and is slower. I know that in-game the Warthog is slower, but I can't assume the cannon is more powerful.

Hopefully it is. Fighter jet with a 20mm Vulcan cannon? No thank you.

Gimme dat 30mm

 

There's so many things about this game that bugs me now. I've spent a lot of time with it, but it's never consistent, except for the things that annoy me, lol. Why, oh why does it take like 100 hits from an AA on an infantry to kill them? Why do shotgun blasts at point blank range only do 20-25% damage? Why can't we COOK a grenade? List goes on and on.

 

I hate that if you clip a light post or a crane with your jet wing you blow up instantly,but you can dip your wing into the water. Seems backwards to me. Water > Jet > light post

 

Yeah, I thought they were supposed to fix that. Would make sense if pole broke and did damage to your jet.

 

Yes I agree, like 20% damage. That stuff should also show up on radar or something. Impossible to track when in dogfight.

Another thing I'd like to change is being able to disable flags in air radar. When flying over Kharg, it's impossible to see any jet icons since all the flag icons get bunched up into a big ball of orange (my team is usually behind)

 

I stopped bothering with the jets. I realize I suck bad at flying them. I stick to infantry, mainly assault, and IFVs/tanks. If I do hop in an air vehicle, it's a helicopter and I prefer to be a gunner.

 

Same.. all I ever get from flying is a death

 

Jets are just frustrating. It's one thing if you can't align aim, but another if you line up a target and get X's and nothing happens. I seem to get sniped by jets from a mile away, yet I lay in a full stream of bullets on an infantry unit, get x's flashing for hits and they don't die. Heck I do a full barrage of rockets, bullets, then rockets again and rarely do I get a kill.

 

Rush Jets guns have a much different damage against vehicles.

Each hit, does ~30 damage to inf or vehicles. So using rockets on them is pretty overkill. You are better off using heatseekers, or guided missile.


The sniping with the jet really depends on your flight control configuration and comfortable to the slow bullet speed.
Yes, I hate the post patch Air Radar. Air Vehicles used to be on top of the flag boxes.
Now I have to fly higher than before, so I don't get ambushed so often.

By the way, all the guns in jet has spread which is a good thing ... it is much easier to hit something than the su35 cannon which is like a laser.
Even though the su35 and the f18 are the same spec, but the su35 is larger and easier to hit cause of the f18 gun spread.

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Also, I never seen a game that does water realistically. Water are treated as zones, simply cause for performance reason.

I really don't get why your hit detection is so wonky.
For me, I feel like it was a massive improvement than I played BF2.

 

I reinstalled BF2, found my old server. 63/64 players? YES! Low ping? Yes!

It's so incredibly hard to play after playing BC2/BF3 for so long. I die quite easily. But shooting is still so satisfying.

Come back to us....

Come baaaaaaaaccccckkkkkkk

 

I really believe a lot has to do with ping to the server. As stated before, I've done much better on servers with 100-150 ping than those with < 30 ping. Doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Plus might be Comcrap having an effect. Even though I have low ping, could be lost packets or something?

 

It is both ping and server performance that determines a good BF server.
I'm sad that they removed the performance indicator, the indicator tells how the vehicle combat is going to be decent or a warping hell.

I know a few of general IP blocks issued to Hypernia Dedicated Unlimited Server (Non Shared) but I'm recently ran out of boxes that didn't saturate or resell service.

Please do check the connection between you and the access point. Check the connection between the modem to world ie plug directly to the modem.
<S>
You can visit dslreports.com forum under Comcast ISP, you can request to have a Comcast tech (these are much better than the CS on phone) to check your modem reading running within specification.
Usually, they just ask to private message your MAC address of the modem and a printout of your cable diagnostic with timestamp.</S>
Edit: Comcast HSI support isn't authorized . You need to call to check your modem signal level on their end. But you still need to read out what you see if it matches theirs.

 

I played BF2 while BF3 was down. Sadly, there's barely anyone playing Special Forces, but I can only find two good servers on the vanilla game (one Strike At Karkand server and one "All Maps" server). Oh, the memories...

I believe that the mobile AA cannon and the miniguns on both the transport and scout helicopters are all the same (thus, they suck against infantry). The other day I saw an infantry unit coming up behind my AA. I laid into him. Big time. What happens? Over a hundred rounds of lead into his chest later he's only at 25% health and proceeds to C4 my AA. This also translates over to helicopter guns except now you're moving!

I also tried many times when the game launched, but was disappointed about not being able to cook a grenade. In an FPS, that's not like being able to jump (B.L.A.C.K. for the original Xbox, lol).