Brace yourself: NEW MAXWELL CARDS INCOMING!

My guess is AW18 R2 with 970M SLI.

 

I'll be a guinea pig since it won't be a rebrand hence the reason why I've waited or I would of gotten a 870m or Aorus X7 680m SLI by now.

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Well, I may decide to be the guinea pig for desktop 980 if <del>all the stars align</del> Bob Barker

 

I still havent got my laptop back coz every card tried is throttling lol. ah well.. cant wait for new cards that work!!!!

 

Well spotted. If you read the article on Videocardz, they found Maxwell mentioned in the source code of that site a gazillion times.
It will be an event where people get to play with the GTX 980 and GTX 970

Send pidge a message and hope he will send you a Maxwell gift. lol nah, not gonna happen.

September 9-10th is the GM204 introduction. Remember the Tonga (R9 285) streaming event that happened few weeks back? It will be exactly like that, but much broader about their GM204 chip and perhaps a few mention about the GPUs that are coming.
September 18th looks like an event around the world where Nvidia set up desktops with GTX 980/970 and people get to play with the cards. Perhaps they will have notebooks running GTX 980M too?

I feel you man, lol.
I would love to be a guinea pig for GTX 980M. It will undoubtly be much more efficient and cooler than 880M so I will have no problems with that.

Someone gotta bring the news man. Thanks to us we get a headsup before something new comes along, and can adjust our future purchases accordingly. I think there are quite a few people who was gonna buy 870M/880M but are now instead waiting for 900M. The 880M posts from Ethrem and co didnt actually further increase the popularity of the 880M either

Nah, GTX 970M will be too little power.

Not a bad guess. I can def say its one of the few scenarios I have

 

So I need advice,

I ordered the MSI GT72 from Xotic PC and it has just reached into Phase 1 so nothing special has happened yet. If it is true that Maxwell is only about a month out, would it be better to wait a month? And if this is true, when would MSI release the new GT72s?

Oh and what about Haswell-E and DDR4 ram for laptops?

 

Do you think that we will have a gt72 with maxwell by Christmas?

 

Yes... Did you not see previous pages? Sept. 9th-10th announcement. October release.

 

A gazillion times better to wait. If 980M somehow didnt show up, atleast you gave it a try and could reorder again. But it will.
MSI GS60 have already been confirmed with GTX 970M. It will be out in late September or early October. Go look back a few pages :thumbsup:

October

I dont know. You have to ask the Clevo people about that. Clevo might release a notebook with X99 and Haswell-E and DDR4.

 

Yes, but i dont know 3 months is enough to build a laptop with new graphics

 

So I did a bit of googling and found something regarding the GT72

https://www.google.com/webhp?source...ie=UTF-8#q=msi+gt72-2qe+980m&safe=off&start=0

The sony vaio bangladesh fb page has some info apparently however I can't seem to find the exact post or photo or whatever. Maybe we can do something as a community.

 

NVM I GOT IT WOOOOOOH hopefully its true

The specification You never thought in a Laptop.

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Model: GT72 2QE Dominator Pro
Specification :
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CPU: Intel Core i7-4780HQ+HM87 Processor, Up To 3.80 GHz.
GPU : NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980M / 8GB GDDR5 Dedicated Memory.
HDD : 1TB 7200RPM + 256GB SSD (SUPER RAID)+ 1 SSD Slot (Super RAID 3 with ultra storage performance)
RAM : 16 GB (MAX. 32 GB)
ODD : BLUE RAY DRIVE

Special Features
Wireless LAN: Killer DoubleShot Pro 11ac (Killer Double Shot Pro with Smart Teaming)
Audio Boost 2 with 3 independent amp for best sound experience
Sound by Dynaudio 2.1 speaker system
XSplit Gamecaster : Best Live Streaming App for Gamers
Matrix multi-display presents 3+1 monitors usage(Surround view)
The Real Deal: A Keyboard Made Just for Gamers
Cooler Boost 3 : Ultra efficiency dual cooling system

RF : 802.11a/b/g/n/+BT
Webcam:Full HD type (30fps@1080p)
USB 3.0 port: 6
OS : Windows 8.1
Keyboard: Full-color backlight SteelSeries keyboard
Battery: 9 cells
Weight: 3.78 KG (W/Battery)
Color: Black

Warranty: 2 Years international parts replacement warranty.

source: http://queue.santui.eu.org/?ztu=aHR...g3Njg3LZ90eXBlPtEmyw1WO3JlbGV2yw50X2Nvdw50PtE

 

OMG, you are the man. Posted yesterday by that reseller

I knew GT72 would be called GT72-2QE too just like the GS series.
Looks like they upgraded the CPU from 4710HQ to 4780HQ as well.

Yep, that one is REALLY high on my buy-list. GTX 980M

 

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh now I gotta stop my GT72 880m order :c,

why does it say notebook enthusiast under my name all of a sudden? it said newbie or something a couple of days ago

 

Oh , I didn't have to waste so much time by going through Google Cache lol. It was on their FB page, I thought that they deleted the post. Here it is! not deleted
https://www.facebook.com/vaioBD/pho...0.1409681217./925266107487687/?type=3&theater

 

3400$ according to that reseller!! Damn that's gonna hurt
MSI, at least put an 120Hz LCD or downgrade that CPU to lower costs.

 

FYI Haswell-E and DDR4 are total duds so not even worth considering right now. Maybe in late 2016 when DDR4 matures and price is more reasonable.

 

"Total duds" says who? You're just salty about the price of DDR4. The 5960X is incredibly fast and seems to overclock just as well (or as poorly ) as IVB-E although it requires at least a top-end CLC. The 5820K makes the entire IVB-E lineup redundant.

 

LOL

I posted on the page regarding the specs and they replied back to me. I'm guessing that this is quite legit. Yay.



I also have now asked for a release date, hopefully they give me an answer.

 

you mean it better not be the exact same? that amd event was nothing but a complete failure and a waste of time

 

It's only about 10-20% faster than 4960X in multi-threaded benchmarks despite the presence of 2 extra cores, and trails behind 4960X in certain single threaded benchmarks. Yes the multithread gap widens to 30-50% when 5960X is overclocked to 4.3GHz, but you better hope you get a good chip, and even then you'll need a top notch AIO or preferably a custom loop for cooling. Even the 2 chips that AnandTech tested showed remarkably variability.

The 5820K is basically neck to neck with 3930K (within 5% of each other), showing that IPC improvements from Sandy Bridge to Haswell is only worth about 200MHz. Plus the 5820K only has 28 PCIe lanes, so no I don't think it's fair to say 5820K has made Ivy-E redundant. The only thing going for 5820K is its price, but because of DDR4 you end up pretty much breaking even. Which is why I keep saying Haswell-E is not worth it right now, but maybe when DDR4 price comes down.

 

Maximum PC found the 5960X at stock to be faster than the 4960X overclocked to 4.7 GHz.

28 PCIe lanes isn't a problem unless you have more than 3 GPU's.

Need I mention how long in the tooth X79 is? I would not be buying obsolete tech at this point unless it's dirt cheap. Z97 and X99 are the only platforms I would consider today for an enthusiast build.

 

It would have been great if they just stick to the card and presented whats new.
But there wasnt anything new about it so they had to put it in between all the "AMD is great", "I LOVE AMD fanboys screaming" and "AMD is the only company for me"

 

Could you link me to that Maximum PC result? I can't seem to find it, and in any case doesn't sound right at all. AnandTech is showing 10-20% gain in benchmarks stock for stock. Surely a 4960X overclocked to 4.7GHz would at least be on par if not leave 5960X in the dust.

Agreed 28 PCIe lanes not being an issue unless running tri SLI/XFire, but for me I like leaving the door open and having that option as opposed to it being taken away from the outset.

I can see X79 being an issue for those that need more than 2 SATA3 ports (well 2 native SATA3 ports anyway) and native USB3.0 support.

 

honestly nowadays motherboards can barely last for two years for enthusiast builds, z97 will probably be obsolete once skylake comes out.

so essentially they hosted an event for nothing and had to give out gpus to everybody there? I wonder whose genius idea was that.
huang better not pull another $3000 gfx card BS with the desktop 900s

 

What better way than to bribe the people there than to get them excited with a free gift.

I would honestly be surprised if there wasn't.

 

Enthusiasts don't hold on to product for more than a year...

 

Of course they do! But that doesn't mean they don't migrate to the new more powerful/overclockable systems!

I am sure some hold on to their previous systems for fun, testing etc.

 

I still have my M17xR1 even though I have my 9377. System held up quite well over the years.

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what I mean is that motherboard compatibility nowadays doesn't last long enough to be really considered upgradable

 

Not if you're on the high-end/server platform.

X58 - 3 years
X79 - 3 years
X99 - ?

Broadwell threw a wrench into things, but typically the mainstream platform is upgradeable for two generations.

 

Very cool! But I noticed that the 980M has 8GB's of VRAM like the 880M does. I hope they fixed the 880M issues!!!

I don't know why all these guys are talking about desktops and desktop components when this is in their face.

 

As long as the GS60 Ghost Pro will come with a GTX970M and an IPS 1080p screen I'm set.

 

To be fair the 880M having 8GB of GDDR5 had no impact on its performance for better or worse.

 

I was told that the extra VRAM increased voltage requirements under full load, which raised temps, ultimately resulting in throttling, both of which also inhibited our ability to overclock.

 

I don't think so. If it was "official" then that sounds like an excuse wrapped in a sugar-coated official lie.

Meaker is right... quantity of vRAM had no bearing on NVIDIA screwing the pooch with 880M. There is no explanation other than they decided it would be okay to do a half-azzed job and just botched the hell out of it. They are without any legitimate excuse here other than not caring enough to pay attention. Otherwise, it never would have been released, or it would been released working correctly. NVIDIA gets no mulligans on this.

 

Nah, 2GB/4GB/8GB, the extra VRAM draw so little extra power and output so little heat anyway, that it cant be the culprint for the 880M problems.

8GB is overkill for sure, but as long as it doesnt cost many dollars more than 4GB I`d gladly take a 8GB 980M

The GS60 970M models all come with 3K displays. 3 different SKUs

 

Specs?
IMO 3K screen use in newer laptops will be to just hike the price up. It's un-necessary.

 

What is the price of the current gen GT72 in your country?

 

Could be 1662 cores for the 970M and 1920 cores for the 980M.
I have to disagree with you on the 3K display. Its something I def want to aee on 17 and 18" notebooks as well. I think its actually needed with upcoming Maxwell cards.

Think about it. I dont think anyone bought a GTX 780 to use with a 1080p display. Now think about two of those cards insode a AW18 or Clevo machine with 1080p.
It will be hysterical and I think Nvidia is ahead of game developers and display makers with 980M

 

Love what I have been seeing following this thread looks like my dream laptop might just be possible now.

Computer builders have been dumb pushing 3k and 4k screens into tiny laptops so far since the GPUs couldn't handle it and beyond that really for a 15.6" or smaller screen there is minimal advantage going over WQHD (2560/1440). Luckily it looks like 980m, or 970m SLI might actually be good enough, and 980m SLI almost certainly will be.
15.6" : 4k = 282 ppi / WQHD = 188 ppi / HD = 141 ppi
13.3" : 4k = 330 ppi / WQHD = 220 ppi / HD = 165 ppi
now on 17.3 or 18.4 (or a narrow bezel 20.6) inch screen the 4k resolution will be nice when someone gets round to making one. (these are also the laptops large enough to have those 970-980m SLI configurations)
17.3" : 4k = 254 ppi / WQHD = 170 ppi / HD = 127 ppi
18.4" : 4k = 240 ppi / WQHD = 160 ppi / HD = 120 ppi
20.6" : 4k = 213 ppi / WQHD = 142 ppi / HD = 107 ppi
I would say up to 160 ppi most people will notice a much clearer image. From 160 to 240 there is some improvement but its smaller. And above 240ppi the improvement is negligible. So the larger screens should be the ones getting the 4k not the small ones.

My dream laptop (note EVERYTHING presently is available on some product this is
now tech, not future tech)

Spoiler

I want to see a larger screen w/ narrow bezel for a same size laptop. For instance the Aorus x7 or Msi GT70 could run a 18.4 inch screen like the alienware 18 and still have a 0.42 inch (11mm) bezel, a 17 inch screen in a laptop a 1/4 inch wider then the MSI GS60 could be nice too (Alienware 18 made 20mm wider and a narrow bezel 20.6 inch screen anyone?). The screen should have wide viewing angles IPS or OLED or even a quality TN would be fine. Good contrast (>750:1) and atleast 80% sRGB prefferably 100% sRGB. If running SLI 970m/980m it should be a 4k screen, if running a single GPU then probably a WQHD (2560/1440) would probably be best though 3k or a 4k with proper pixel doubling and a dedicated button to quickly change between 4K and 1080p would also be fine.

It should be between 1 to 1.5 inches (25-37mm) thick (thinner is ok but would rather it be cool and quiet than be a 1/4 inch (6mm) thinner). Also it should weigh in at under 8 lbs (3.5 kg).

No HDD or optical drive but at least 2x SSD in Raid of your choice (mainly to keep down weight and leave more space for fans and such, also reduces noise)

Good headphone adapter not a crappy one with white noise. Could skip speakers to make space for fans or such but if you have them make them worth having.

Quality keyboard, touchpad, and webcam. not focused much on these myself but always hate it when a laptop gets nearly everything right then makes one part a complete failure, ruining the whole product.

Really great GPU, like options of at least 970m, 980m. 970m SLI/ 980m SLI if going 4k screen or such.

CPU high end 4700 hq orbetter pretty much. Really wish Intel would stop wasting half their chips on a crappy integrated gpu. If they got smart and made a similar chip with the same 4 cores on half the die, and a single really powerful CPU core on the other half or such I would go for it in a heartbeat. The integrated GPUs are smart for a portion of the product line but probably a 1/3 orlaptops and 2/3 of desktops would be far better off with a much more powerful CPU to complement their dedicated GPU.

Somehow I doubt any company will make my dream laptop this time around but the new maxwell cards at least look like they will be powerful and efficient enough to solve that area and near all the rest is just the manufacturers putting the right components together.

Right now my biggest hopes are the next models in the Asus G750, Alienware 18, Aorus x7, and MSI GT72 lines. Somehow I doubt any will fulfill my desires, but hopefully at least one comes close.

 

Well, here's hoping whatever they screwed up doesn't carry over.

 

The problem we are facing is that there doesnt exist any 15" with SLI, or 17/18" with higher res than 1080p. I am hoping some will come with the upcoming notebooks, but I am doubtful. I totally agree that the upcoming Maxwell cards are ideal for high res gaming. There are always ways to give much sharper graphics with 1080p though, and that is through downsampling that require a ton of GPU power.

I wonder what is best temperature wise for 1080p:
GTX 970M SLI running many times at full speed in games to give 60FPS with everything maxed out

GTX 980M SLI running most of the times downclocked when you have a FPS cap at 60FPS

 

Good point but manufacturers could go one better if they are smart for instance Aorus could buy 2-4 times the needed 980m and factory undervolt them then put the ones that undervolt best into a 980m SLI at similar power and heat to stock 970m (theoretically). And the ones that don't undervolt as well could be used in the single gpu gigabyte models. Same with other thin laptop makers use ones that undervolt well in the thin ones, and the rest in the thick ones .

 

The problem with these 3/4K is Windoze does a poor job of scaling.

IMHO, if they were serious about Aorus X7 vX in being a serious gaming laptop, they should consider doing this.

But honestly, how often does an OEM listen to its customers in giving us what we want instead of them giving us what they think we want?

 

Run your desktop at 3k and your games at 1600x900 in those machines. It's a nice balance. In higher end desktop at 4k and games at 1080p, 4k if they are old enough or you have an overclocked Xfire/SLI setup.

 

That sounds like too much time & effort = too much cost!?

 

Undervolting is time intensive because of how it is done. With a decent automated program and testing rig you should be able to get a base voltage within minutes then just have a whole rack of them on a rig running a stressful benchmark like unigine or such overnight to make sure it was accurate. Might add a cost of $5-20 per card even then, but that is hardly an unreasonable cost. Now for a smaller company only making 50-100 laptops or such it would be a major investment to setup the undervolt testing rigs. For a large manufacturer though I suspect the benefits would far out weigh the costs.

 

Well, if that's the case, then it does sound like a good idea & a practical one at that - assuming what you're saying is accurate, I'm not in a position to know. How do you know about the rigs & the associated cost?

 

just guesswork.

Spoiler

There are two real stages to undervolting first you go through each clockspeed multiplier and reduce its voltage in increments till you get a CTD (more like BSoD really) with a short stress test in between. This is very time intensive for an individual since they need to manually reduce the voltage each time and often reboot after a failure I believe. Almost all of this could be automated and made very fast with a decent software program (99% certain on this part).

The second stage stage you raise the voltages normally a small amount above the minimum stable voltage in your short stress test to make sure there is a safety margin (not doing this would likely make you CTD every couple days or more often). Then you normally run an overnight stress test to make certain your final voltage truly is stable. There is little you can do to get around this.

The real technological hurdles to overcome would be making a rig that can run the GPU without spending 30 minutes attaching cooling fans and such to it, then needing to clean off thermal paste and such afterwards. Also you want to be able to hookup lots of GPU's to the same CPU preferably and other such things to make it cost less and be simpler.

So my cost breakdown runs like this.
Program to make first stage quick and easy: one time investment of under $5,000 likely less but by this point the price quickly becomes negligible.
Worst case you get 8 desktops setup to handle the GPU card, and have someone person personally change the GPUs attach cooling etc, and clean them afterwards at an estimated time of 30 min/GPU 7 hour stress test /day per computer (this is what anyone could do right now)
16 GPU/day computers = 16 x 320 days a year (assuming maintenance and vacations) = 5,120 GPU's per year : Yearly cost $60-100,000 ($12.00 - $20.00 per GPU) (most of this is salary for the person doing the job)
also need to add in thermal paste and other such things.

Better case single CPU w/ rack of 20-100 easily changed GPUs connected and a better cooling method like immersing them all in a cooled mineral oil bath or such. removes nearly all the time adds to setup costs and technological challenge though. 1 person doing 200 per day w/ a $30,000 rig would be about the same total cost, but under 10% the cost per GPU making it $1-2 per GPU

So $25 max and theoretically much lower.