/facepalm
You asked about the die size, not the power consumption.
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Lol wait my bad , I forgot to say "150 W" , sorry about that indeed a facepalm
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I meant 980m haha, the rumored specs are 1038 core clock and 1253mhz memory speeds, thats why I said that ahha
Octiceps, are you trying to hijack the thread and ruin the topic like every other topic you ever discuss, only because you have many posts and know everything!?
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LOL wut u mean, this is the most engaged and on-topic I've been in this thread yet. :laugh:
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I know right lol after 100 pages we are finally back on topicocticeps likes this. -
when is it coming out? oct? novem? mid next year?
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Desktop 970: SysiInfo v4.26, driver 343.91, Win7
Mobile 970M: SysInfo v4.29, driver 344.00, Win8
If nothing else running Win8 alone will give at least a 5% boost to Fire Strike scores compared to Win7.
And HOLY BATMAN there's a 344.00 driver now?! Just when I thought 343.91 was secret sauce, they roll out yet another one. -
Are there any other laptops that had a GTX 860M except the Lenovo Y50? I am pretty annoyed that this card basically had a life span of 2 months. Should have waited for the 9xx cards. Could the 960M just be a rebranded 860M?
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It could be a rebadged GM107 like 860M or a new card based on GM206. There's even a chance it could be a severely crippled GM204, although I personally doubt this. There are many unknowns at this point.
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There were plenty that used the 860m, and just because a 960m comes out doesn't mean you 860 is bad- in fact, you still have Maxwell.
If they just refresh the 860m (As nVidia often does) with some clock tweaks, it won't matter anyway
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Bah, yeah I`m not gonna even try to compare die sizes of GK104, GM204 and GK110. I guess you can compare pixels and calculate the die size difference. But waaaay too much work getting the right angles and distance to even try that.
What he says. Will be bigger for sure
Many notebooks got the 860M.
Click on this link and go down to "3DMark (2013)" and click on the "13 benchmarks and specifications ". Those notebooks got the 860M
Yeah its strange that GT60 didnt get any new model upgrade. GS60 is one thing, but the GT series always had better cooling.
Who knows, maybe GT62 will appear with 980M like you say
Remember the GTX 680M? 900MHz on the VRAM? 1250MHz might be a tiny low but much better than the 680M
6+6pin = 75W + 75W
Pcie is indeed another 75W.
But you cant compare them like that. Certain 680 models had 6+8 (75W + 150W) plus pcie but the TDP was still around 190W and not 300W.
Remains to be seen what TDP GTX 970 will have. Reference is less than 150W which is better than GTX 670 (which 680M was based on) 170W TDP
Driver for Maxwell perhaps? I think there was a specific driver just for GTX Titan when it launched.Ningyo likes this. -
There were over 20 laptops using 860m, about half were the kepler version though. Whether the 960m comes out in a week or not it is unlikely to be a rebrand of the 860m Maxwell. The 860m maxwell was almost certainly named that since it is similar in performance to the 860m Kepler. It is very low TDP and % of chip utilized however. The 960m will probably be 60-70w or such and far more powerful than the 860m. A 950m on the other hand could be a rebrand of the 860m as it would likely aim for that 45w TDP.
Regardless the 860m maxwell is a fairly nice GPU so its not like you made a terrible purchase or anything.Cloudfire likes this. -
Thanks for your input guys, makes me feel better about the 860M.
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Its really not far away from GTX 680M (high end chip) but with muuuch less heat. Thats not bad at all
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Exactly. 960m most likely will be a rebrand with even highercocks, considering that chip overclocks like crazy.
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Probable cores and clock speeds
GTX 980; 1920 cores - 15SMM - 256bit
GTX 980M: 1664 cores @ 1038MHz - 13SMM - 256bit (expected to be around 100w)
GTX 970: 1664 cores - 13SMM - 256bit
GTX 970M: 1408 cores - @ 924MHz - 11SMM - 192bit (expected to be between 75-90w?)
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GTX 860M: 640 cores @ 1029MHz - 5SMM - 128bit (45w)
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It is highly unlikely they will make a 960m rebrand of the 860m. 960m would likely have between 7-9SMM = 896 to 1152 cores. A 950m on the other hand could easily be from 5-7SMM making a 860m rebrand possible. -
I think they'll re-brand the 860M, overclock it, and name it 960M. And I think the 960M will perform about 20% better than the 860M. Then I think they'll make a 965M with more cores that is about 20%-30% better than the 960M. The 765M still doesn't have a replacement. There was never an 865M.
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King of Interns Simply a laptop enthusiast
860M will likely become 950M.
960M will likely have very slightly higher specs/clocks than the 950M.
This follows the usual release methods used in the past. No way the 960M will be 60% faster than the 860M (maxwell version) though. A 20nm part might have had a chance but not a 28nm. Pretty sure of that! -
King of Interns Simply a laptop enthusiast
Maybe you underestimate the good old 680M cloud
680M can also OC like crazy. It owns the 860M both stock for stock and OC for OC. Not close to the 680M. SVL 7 managed to get nearly 9000k in 3dmark11 in an aging M15x with one I think! A score I hope in time to break
Now it does own the 770M that is for sure although of course not in SLI.Cloudfire likes this. -
I didn't say 60%? I said 20%.
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:laugh: Immature I know, but it made me chortle.
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I agree, the 860m wasn't a true replacement for the 765m since its TDP was only 45w while the 765m was 65W. The W230ss was designed for the 65W GPU so either we'll see an 860m over clocked to 1300mhz + on boost or we might see something with 40% more cores, perhaps even a 970m on the refresh of the W230ss.
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My prediction:
The 960m will be 0-100% faster than 860m
The 970m will be 0-100% faster than 870m
The 980m will be 0-100% faster than 880m
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Careful now, what if 980M was over <del>9000%</del> 100% faster than 880M?
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0-100% faster than an average 880m, or a working 880m?
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The details are unimportant. What matters is that HTWingNut is right and /thread.
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Don't end thread. It's just now starting to get somewhat interesting.
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T'was jokes. This thread ain't goin' nowhere. Peace.
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Ending threads is no fun! We only have another 8 days to wait, so we might as well build up our hopes and expect a 300% increase from a GTX 980M that OCs to SLI 780 desktop levels at 120W with a max temp of 80 deg in a clevo on auto fans, then destroy ourselves with reality when they finally release. Then we'll probably not upgrade or change anything anyway, and simply move on with our lives and our games, until this time 2016 we're doing the same thing thinking about Pascal =D.
IT'S FUN GUYS. FUN. FOLLOW MEEEEE TO FUNNNNNCloudfire and Mr Najsman like this. -
Well as I correctly predicted tweaking the 4930K is turning out to be a lot of fun (and frustration, with the occasional facepalm moments). I think I may be able to survive until Maxwell's paper launch now.
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Thanks for bringing this thread back on track. :thumbsup:
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Latest scrape combined with previous list. I've simplified the table to just include the elements that people seem to care about. I highlighted the new ones. One thing to note is the first 970M SLI score I've seen posted. (ID links clickable)
Code:ID Bench Date GPU Score Core/Memory Driver CPU Mobo [color=blue][url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2727990]2727990[/url] 09/10/2014 GTX 970 4804 1,051/1,753 9.18.13.4391 i7-4790K MouseComputer Co.,Ltd. Z97-S01[/color] [color=blue][url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2727990]2727990[/url] 09/10/2014 GTX 970 4804 1,051/1,753 9.18.13.4391 i7-4790K MouseComputer Co.,Ltd. Z97-S01[/color] [color=blue][url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2728078]2728078[/url] 09/10/2014 GTX 970 4809 1,051/1,753 9.18.13.4391 i7-4790K MouseComputer Co.,Ltd. Z97-S01[/color] [color=blue][url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2728078]2728078[/url] 09/10/2014 GTX 970 4809 1,051/1,753 9.18.13.4391 i7-4790K MouseComputer Co.,Ltd. Z97-S01[/color] [color=blue][url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2729014]2729014[/url] 09/10/2014 GTX 970 4895 1,076/1,253 9.18.13.4391 i7-5960X ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. X99-DELUXE[/color] [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2722787]2722787[/url] 09/09/2014 GTX 970 7877 1,307/1,253 9.18.13.4391 i7-3770K ZOTAC ZT-Z77Crown-U1D [color=blue][url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2728490]2728490[/url] 09/10/2014 GTX 970 10147 1,051/1,253 9.18.13.4391 i7-4770K MSI Z87-GD65 GAMING (MS-7845)[/color] [color=blue][url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2727957]2727957[/url] 09/10/2014 GTX 970 10341 1,051/1,253 9.18.13.4391 i7-4790K MouseComputer Co.,Ltd. Z97-S01[/color] [color=blue][url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2727957]2727957[/url] 09/10/2014 GTX 970 10341 1,051/1,253 9.18.13.4391 i7-4790K MouseComputer Co.,Ltd. Z97-S01[/color] [color=blue][url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2728995]2728995[/url] 09/10/2014 GTX 970 10553 1,076/1,753 9.18.13.4391 i7-5960X ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. X99-DELUXE[/color] [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2722571]2722571[/url] 09/09/2014 GTX 970 11734 1,203/1,253 9.18.13.4391 i7-3770K ZOTAC ZT-Z77Crown-U1D [color=blue][url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2728933]2728933[/url] 09/10/2014 GTX 970 11988 1,327/1,253 9.18.13.4391 i7-3770K Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. Z77P-D3[/color] [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2723084]2723084[/url] 09/09/2014 GTX 970 12097 1,255/1,753 9.18.13.4391 i7-3770K ZOTAC ZT-Z77Crown-U1D [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2724838]2724838[/url] 09/09/2014 GTX 970M 3352 924/1,253 9.18.13.4402 i7 Notebook P650SE [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2696748]2696748[/url] 09/04/2014 GTX 970M 7338 924/1,253 9.18.13.4391 i7-4930MX Notebook P15SM-A/SM1-A [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2696798]2696798[/url] 09/04/2014 GTX 970M 7351 924/1,253 9.18.13.4391 i7-4930MX Notebook P15SM-A/SM1-A [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2722596]2722596[/url] 09/09/2014 GTX 970M 7354 924/1,800 9.18.13.4391 i7-4940MX Notebook P17SM-A [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2724803]2724803[/url] 09/09/2014 GTX 970M 7364 924/1,253 9.18.13.4402 i7 Notebook P650SE [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2722311]2722311[/url] 09/09/2014 GTX 970M 7375 924/1,753 9.18.13.4391 i7-4940MX Notebook P17SM-A [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2723436]2723436[/url] 09/09/2014 GTX 970M 7380 924/1,800 9.18.13.4400 i7-4940MX Notebook P17SM-A [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2722529]2722529[/url] 09/09/2014 GTX 970M 7381 924/1,253 9.18.13.4391 i7-4940MX Notebook P17SM-A [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2701989]2701989[/url] 09/05/2014 GTX 970M 7391 924/2,505 9.18.13.4391 i7-4940MX Notebook P17SM-A [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2701720]2701720[/url] 09/05/2014 GTX 970M 7400 540/2,505 9.18.13.4391 i7-4790S Notebook P750ZM [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2696579]2696579[/url] 09/04/2014 GTX 970M 7422 924/1,253 9.18.13.4391 i7-4940MX Notebook P17SM-A [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2701658]2701658[/url] 09/05/2014 GTX 970M 7430 540/1,253 9.18.13.4391 i7-4790S Notebook P750ZM [color=blue][url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2729011]2729011[/url] 09/10/2014 GTX 970M 7452 924/1,753 9.18.13.4402 i7-4710HQ Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. MS-1773[/color] [color=blue][url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2727745]2727745[/url] 09/10/2014 GTX 970M 7485 924/1,253 9.18.13.4400 i7 GIGABYTE P35V3[/color] [color=blue][url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2727745]2727745[/url] 09/10/2014 GTX 970M 7485 924/1,753 9.18.13.4400 i7 GIGABYTE P35V3[/color] [color=blue][url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2728847]2728847[/url] 09/10/2014 GTX 970M (x2) 14704 924/1,253 9.18.13.4400 i7-4710HQ Notebook P375SM-A[/color] [color=blue][url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2732643]2732643[/url] 09/11/2014 GTX 980 5793 1,127/1,753 9.18.13.4391 i7-4790K MouseComputer Co.,Ltd. Z97-S01[/color] [color=blue][url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2732846]2732846[/url] 09/11/2014 GTX 980 5829 1,127/1,753 9.18.13.4391 i7-3970X Extreme Edition ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. RAMPAGE IV BLACK EDITION[/color] [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2719375]2719375[/url] 09/08/2014 GTX 980 11758 1,127/1,753 9.18.13.4391 i7-4770K MEDION MS-7849 [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2718363]2718363[/url] 09/08/2014 GTX 980 11913 1,127/1,753 9.18.13.4391 i7-4770K MEDION MS-7849 [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2701047]2701047[/url] 09/05/2014 GTX 980 12593 1,127/3,505 9.18.13.4391 i7-3770K ZOTAC ZT-Z77Crown-U1D [color=blue][url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2732620]2732620[/url] 09/11/2014 GTX 980 12611 1,127/1,753 9.18.13.4391 i7-4790K MouseComputer Co.,Ltd. Z97-S01[/color] [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2723031]2723031[/url] 09/09/2014 GTX 980 12629 1,178/1,800 9.18.13.4391 i5-3450 ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. P8Z77-V [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2717498]2717498[/url] 09/08/2014 GTX 980 12755 1,127/1,753 9.18.13.4391 E3-1230 ASRock Z77 Pro4-M [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2696838]2696838[/url] 09/04/2014 GTX 980M 9268 1,038/1,253 9.18.13.4391 i7-4940MX Notebook P15SM-A/SM1-A [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2696841]2696841[/url] 09/04/2014 GTX 980M 9309 1,038/1,253 9.18.13.4391 i7-4940MX Notebook P15SM-A/SM1-A [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2696764]2696764[/url] 09/04/2014 GTX 980M 9312 1,038/1,253 9.18.13.4391 i7-4940MX Notebook P15SM-A/SM1-A [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2696763]2696763[/url] 09/04/2014 GTX 980M 9339 1,038/1,253 9.18.13.4391 i7-4940MX Notebook P15SM-A/SM1-A [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2696999]2696999[/url] 09/04/2014 GTX 980M 9463 1,038/1,253 9.18.13.4391 i7-4940MX Notebook P17SM-A [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2696237]2696237[/url] 09/04/2014 GTX 980M 9499 1,038/1,753 9.18.13.4391 i7-4940MX Notebook P17SM-A [color=blue][url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2727849]2727849[/url] 09/10/2014 GTX 980M 9538 1,038/1,253 9.18.13.4400 i7-4940MX Notebook P17SM-A[/color] [color=blue][url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2727849]2727849[/url] 09/10/2014 GTX 980M 9538 1,038/1,253 9.18.13.4400 i7-4940MX Notebook P17SM-A[/color] [color=blue][url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2728448]2728448[/url] 09/10/2014 GTX 980M 9636 1,038/1,753 9.18.13.4400 i7-4940MX Notebook P370SM-A[/color] [color=blue][url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2728644]2728644[/url] 09/10/2014 GTX 980M (x2) 18412 1,038/1,253 9.18.13.4400 i7-4940MX Notebook P370SM-A[/color] [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2701552]2701552[/url] 09/05/2014 GTX 980M (x2) 18570 1,038/1,753 9.18.13.4391 i7-4940MX Notebook P370SM-A [color=blue][url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2728511]2728511[/url] 09/10/2014 GTX 980M (x2) 18675 1,038/1,753 9.18.13.4400 i7-4940MX Notebook P370SM-A[/color] [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2697465]2697465[/url] 09/04/2014 GTX 980 (x2) 18440 540/1,253 6.14.21509.32316 i7-950 MSI MSI X58 Pro-E (MS-7522) [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2726183]2726183[/url] 09/09/2014 GTX 980 (x2) 18814 1,127/1,253 9.18.13.4391 i7-5960X ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. 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It's not end yet but it's near. The big guy who made such an awesome thread and saved me and many others from buying the obsoleted - Cloudfire - earned my respect. He's the man who took some bullets for giving info and speculation.
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Awesome work! +rep
So we now have 3 ES drivers -- 343.91, 344.00, and 344.02. This is interesting. -
inb4 nVidia comes out and says "oh yeah this was all a joke, here's the real cards. We finished 20nm and pushed fake scores/chips from old testing out." and then we get like Titan 2 chips in mobile XD
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Ha we wish. If anything the opposite is true -- "oh btw we had 20nm ready all along but decided to milk 28nm as much as we can, so NO 20 NM FOR YOU".*
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ROFL just downloaded 3DMark to compare my laptop to these cards hahaha.
Some highlights:
Combined Test : 0.79 FPS
Graphics Score : 475
3DMark Score : 444
Combined Score : 168
Actually did non-horrible on physics over 6 FPS and around 2k score (well comparatively non-horrible)
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950m will most likely be a rebrand of 860m indeed
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Our vietnamese reller ---- where are you???
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Nvidia really had throttled evolution if they decided to rebrand 950m from 850m. I really hope they will take out a rabbit from a hat.
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Oh yeah. And then MSI comes and tells that GT72 with Maxwell is a joke and we are back to GT70 and GT60 chassis because 72 was just so we would buy old hot broken overclocked Kepler cards.
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Bah, apparantly Alienware systems are not the easiest to sell here in my country. I might have to upgrade the GPUs and settle with that :/
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The thing is though, there will be a GTX 860 releasing in late October according to rumors. And Im pretty sure they leave the low end chips aka GM107 for the GTX 950 and GT 940 and such. Charlie leaked a roadmap showing 4 GM204 GPUs arriving. GTX 980, GTX 970 and GTX 860 plus one more. So I do think GTX 860 will be one heavy castrated GM204.
There has to be a mobile GPU based on it. So Im betting on a GM204 with 8-10 SMMs. Not sure what it will be called though.
I agree with you that there will most likely come another GM107 GPU, a rebranded GTX 860M. GT 940M perhaps.
lol well played. A bit too safe for my likings though
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Ain't so bad! (Assuming they'll be compatible! E.g. 770M wasn't compatible with M17xR3 for some bizarre reason even if 780M was - weirdness!) Expensive either way, maybe you can sell your 770's for a small amount to recoup some of the costs.TBoneSan likes this.
Brace yourself: NEW MAXWELL CARDS INCOMING!
Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Cloudfire, Jul 14, 2014.