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    Brace yourself: NEW MAXWELL CARDS INCOMING!

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Cloudfire, Jul 14, 2014.

  1. Nill1234

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    And two weeks ago i bought a gs60 with a 870m. It was sucha good deal 1200€ instead of 1800€. Only games i play are diablo 3 and cs go. Maybe i can sell at the realease of maxwell for the same price i bought it. 970m is so tempting but is it worth 600€ extra ?
     
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    Yes, definitely, but only if you can sell your gs60 for the same price that you bought it, because then it would be like getting 55-60% more gaming performance (according to Firestrike results) for 600euro, I think that's a good deal when it comes to laptop gaming. Or, how about keep your existing system, sell the 870M, buy a 970M and install it! This last option might get you a better deal, but you'd have to research if you would be able to do that yourself in terms of the DIY involved & whether the 970M would be compatible with your model of laptop, etc.
     
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    The gpu is soldered. I think im gonna sell if the new gs60 is available.
     
  4. Cloudfire

    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    Yeah, I think I need to change the heatsinks for my 770M to GTX 980M if I go that route. I think GTX 970M however will be a perfect fit.
    But I want a new notebook. If I cant sell this one, Im stuck with Alienware and cant go to MSI :/


    If its worth it? GTX 970M is looking to be around 60% faster than GTX 870M.
    You have to be the judge for that :)
     
  5. D2 Ultima

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    I'm fairly certain he'd need a BIOS update for this; MSI is a little... upgrade un-friendly if I remember right. They like using soldered CPUs too.
     
  6. D2 Ultima

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    Honestly, for Diablo 3 and CS:GO, the 870M is much more than enough. I totally understand if you wish to upgrade, but it isn't really... necessary for you. If you started playing other games and found your 870M wasn't up to snuff, it'd make more sense to do so.
     
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    Cant wait to see the 980M light up a 5K3K 27" Imac in december.
     
  8. Cloudfire

    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    Looks like my calculation about GTX 980, GTX 980M, GTX 970 was spot on. I missed GTX 970M by 1SMM.
    Techpowerup have posted the specs

    GTX 980 specifications:
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 | techPowerUp GPU Database

    GTX 970 specifications:
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 | techPowerUp GPU Database

    GTX 980M specifications:
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980M | techPowerUp GPU Database

    GTX 970M specifications::
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970M | techPowerUp GPU Database

    Also big chances that a full GM204 will arrive as GTX 980MX or something like that in 2015.
    This means that Nvidia have plans for both 2014 and 2015 until 16nm Pascal takes over in 2016.
    We got it figured out :thumbsup:

     
  9. Robbo99999

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    I wasn't talk about it physically fitting in your laptop, I was talking about weird incompatibility issues at firmware/system level. For instance, when I referred to 770M not working in M17xR3 it was due to this weird firmware/system incompatibility, yet the 780M worked fine (after some brief sound installation workarounds).

    (You may also be able to re-use your existing heatsinks, they might just need re-padding to the correct depths in the right places).
     
  10. Babtoumi

    Babtoumi Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hello everybody!

    I've been following this thread for a couple of months now, and I'm really excited to see those new cards. But I have a question, do you guys think that the new maxwell cards will solve the problem of heating in thin laptops like the GS 60 and make it more attractive? And In my country there is a resseler who sell clevo laptops like this one LDLC Bellone XA3-I7-8-H10S-H8 (XA3-I7-8-H10S-H8) : achat / vente PC portable sur ldlc.com, what do you think about it? There are no reviews for these laptops, sadly. Do you think I can trust them for the cooling, screen?

    Thank you!
     
  11. Robbo99999

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    How reliable are those TechPowerUp specs & release dates cloudfire? Where do they get them from?
     
  12. D2 Ultima

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    I'm going to say the same thing that I tell everyone who is excited about cool, powerful, thin/light laptops.

    Please stop. Maxwell runs quite cool, this is true. The maxwell 860M is, for mobile users, a very strong card, and is very overclockable. The new maxwell chips that would go in form factors the maxwell 850M and 860M targeted are not going to be leaps and bounds ahead of it in power for the most part, but the 970M and 980M chips WILL be leaps and bounds ahead of the current flagships we have. You will notice the power gap a lot larger than it currently is. There must always be a sacrifice. You're hardly likely to cram a 970M or 980M etc into something with a very thin form factor and keep everything else. Also, if a GS 60 has an 860M maxwell in it and still has heating issues, the new maxwell chips will not change that in the slightest.

    If you're considering a Clevo system, I suggest trying to find out the actual clevo model. If it's a W230SS or a W350SS or whatever, you can google reviews for that and find quite a few. Clevo has some of the better cooling out there, especially for its price, but it isn't the best on the market really. The internals also make a huge difference in how cool things run. It's difficult to get a haswell i7 under heavy load at its max turbo boost to sit at say... 70 degrees celcius. It's far easier to get an ivy bridge i7 to do so. But haswell's all we have now, so... gotta make do with what's there.
     
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  13. Cloudfire

    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    Contacts in the industry perhaps? They are always the first to post reviews of new cards plus have a news section, so they are pretty informed about stuff most of the time.
     
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    Thanks, it's what i thought. But the GS 60 has only the kepler card I think, maybe I'm wrong, but I thought it has the kepler and some people said that with the 860M maxwell the probleme could be solved. But as you said, a thin laptop is not he best for gaming. Maybe a GT 60 or 62 if it comes out would be better.

    Ok I will try to find out what model it is, thank you
     
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    Nope, you are correct. GS60 use Kepler GTX 860M.
    Aka severely neutered 128bit heater
    :nah:

    GTX 860M Maxwell is much cooler (and faster). Should benefit thin machines greatly.
    In fact there are good chances the GTX 970M will run cooler than GTX 860M (or atleast equal) while being lightyears ahead in performance. Sick huh?
    (Probably a reason why MSI will have GTX 970M in the upcoming GS60 machines)

     
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    Ah great! Then there is a chance! We will see
     
  17. Cloudfire

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    My reasoning for stating that:

    GTX 760.
    1152 cores @ 1033MHz
    170W TDP

    GTX 860M Kepler
    1152 cores @ 915MHz
    TDP?

    GTX 970
    1664 cores @ 1170MHz
    150W TDP

    GTX 970M:
    1536 cores @ 993Mhz

    Less cores than the desktop chip, lower TDP for the GTX 970 than GTX 760. Should mean lower TDP for GTX 970M than GTX 860M.

    Remember my earlier guess about 75W TDP for GTX 970M? I think its around that, and GTX 860M Kepler is close to 100W
     
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    GTX 970m should be a good balance of powerful performance and still manageable for thin laptops. Considering they even put 870m on those GS series, I am sure 970m will be the best choice.
     
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    Very true, though I seriously want to see a full GM204 chip in a 980MX. I think that's the chip I would want to get. Even if it was 120W TDP, it should still be a bit cooler than the 780M. So far GM107 has ripped GK107 to shreds in OC-ability, heat and TDP, right? I say GM204 should do the same to GK104 =D
     
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    Im not sure how far people have managed to OC the 860M Maxwell, but I think its close to 1300MHz lol. A ton higher than Kepler could do for sure. Will be extremely interesting too see what GM204 can do. But looking at stock GTX 970, I think we should atleast reach 1200MHz. Crazy

    Full GM204 for sure is tempting, but waiting to say June 2015 for that is a non option for me. Been waiting too long already.

    But isnt it crazy that a 970M can offer probably over 2x the performance of a 860M Kepler while still output less heat? I mean, I know I would be pissed if I just got a GS60 and read about a GS60 a month after getting 2x the FPS :p
     
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    LostCoast707 Notebook Consultant

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    Look at my signature. That's what I run with my 860m in games and I have read many that do better. It rarely hits 80c with that over clock during gaming.
     
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    1350MHz? Holy cow.
    Surely you are close to a 870M with that clock? :p

    Amazing
     
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    It works at 1340MHz gpu and 2685Mhz mem (+243 gpu, +180 mem) for all games I've tried. I have several that I have not had problems with running as high as 1352MHz for gpu and the memory up to 2755Mhz. (+255gpu, +250 mem)

    The 3DMark11 score of P6284 was with it set at 1340MHz and 2685MHz.
     
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    is it correct that we can consider the 980m to be equivalent to a desktop 970? if so, that's amazing performance to put in a laptop.
     
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    Yes, but clock speeds are lower on memory & core of 980M, that's the difference in performance.
     
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    What I find amazing so far is that 980M SLI generates identical scores to desktop 980 SLI That can't possibly hold up in real world games and with driver updates but so far it's held true with synthetic benchmarks.
     
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    No sense for that to remain to hold true when these products launch - it was a one off problem with the leaked benchmark run, or some kind of a driver issue. I'm 100% sure we won't see what you describe when these launch.
     
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    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    Here is a benchmark from the new upcoming Asus G751 (15") with i7 4860HQ and GTX 980M.
    Notice the graphic score vs the one below :)



    Here is the "old" Asus G750 (17") with i7 4700HQ and GTX 880M.
    (Poor suckers that bought this one recently. This will be hard to see for them)



    Apparantly the new Asus G-series will be called G751 (15") and G771 (17"). I said earlier the new 17" from Asus with GTX 980M would be called G760. Sorry about that. But atleast I kept my word about specs and that a new model would arrive :thumbsup:
    Someone should probably make a thread in the Asus subforum about it, The Asus boys will probably appriciate that. I`m too lazy to be active in different threads at the same time :D

    IFA: Nieuwe gaminglaptops: ASUS G771 G751 | Hardware.Info Nederland
    Video here: Asus G751 anteprima IFA 2014 • Ridble - YouTube
     
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    And if cloudfire thinks THAT is impressive, one user who started the "860M is a beast!" thread in this subforum managed to get the chip to +325 core +700 memory without issue. AND he barely hit 80 degrees as well.
     
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    Holy an Asus 15"?! >:O! The palm rest keyboard isn't brushed aluminum! *Smashes his buy button*
     
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    Heck, I'm just impressed my little 860m scores just 23% lower (if I did my math right) than an 880m. All from a 50 watt card. :) See attached picture. I tried to have it embedded it in the post but I must have done it wrong

    That was the guy I was talking about. I can't remember what kind of benchmark score he produced with that card though.

    On edit:
    Added my Firestrike extreme score and my best 3DMarl11 score.

    Screenshot (31).jpg Screenshot (30).jpg
     

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    Welp, looks like I need to save some money for some eBay 980m's when they come out.
     
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    what's the point of hd 5200 when you have a 980m that can literally blow iris pro to sh!t? that's just a complete waste of money. I'd prefer 4810mq 100 times over this.

    your vram can go way higher. I can do +550 mem easily on y50 and still runs pretty stable. it's such a pity that I can only do +135 core because of a locked bios
     
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    Cloudfire the notebook shown on the video is the 15 inch or the 17 inch? It looks like a 17 inch
     
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    Ther is one problem with new ASUS laptops though
    They run Windows 8 :)
     
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    The Clevo's seem to have pickier memory. The highest I have ever gotten it through any benchmark is +280. But it wouldn't hold at the +280 if I have the GPU OC maxed out at the same time. It doesn't over heat, it just crashes. I think HTwingnut's Clevo is getting into the +400's though. I wasn't as lucky.

    I wish I could get +550 with the memory though.
     
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    And are you sure that the 15 inch model will have a GTX980m?
     
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    what vram does clevo use for w230ss? my y50 has hynix vram which goes all the way up to 6000mhz, but the BIOS locks it to like 3500mhz
     
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    The new king. Today's scrape sees a dramatic improvement in scores for desktop 980 SLI

    Code:
    ID	Bench Date	GPU		Score	Core/Memory	Driver		CPU		Mobo
    [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2734193]2734193[/url]	09/11/2014	GTX 970 	11312	1,140/1,253	9.18.13.4405	i7-4790	MSI Z97 GAMING 5 (MS-7917)
    [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2733255]2733255[/url]	09/11/2014	GTX 970M	7334	924/1,253	9.18.13.4400	i7-4710HQ	Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. MS-1773
    [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2733602]2733602[/url]	09/11/2014	GTX 970M (x2)	6332	924/1,253	9.18.13.4400	i7-4710HQ	Notebook P375SM-A
    [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2733641]2733641[/url]	09/11/2014	GTX 970M (x2)	14778	924/1,253	9.18.13.4400	i7-4710HQ	Notebook P375SM-A
    [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2733501]2733501[/url]	09/11/2014	GTX 980 	5745	1,127/1,253	9.18.13.4405	i7-4770K	ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. Z87-A
    [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2737667]2737667[/url]	09/11/2014	GTX 980  (x2)	11317	1,127/1,753	9.18.13.4397	i7-5960X	ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. X99-DELUXE
    [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2737384]2737384[/url]	09/11/2014	GTX 980  (x2)	11479	1,127/1,753	9.18.13.4397	i7-5960X	ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. X99-DELUXE
    [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2736492]2736492[/url]	09/11/2014	GTX 980  (x2)	12856	1,127/1,753	9.18.13.4405	i7-3960X Extreme Edition	Intel Corporation DX79SI
    [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2736538]2736538[/url]	09/11/2014	GTX 980  (x2)	13608	1,127/1,753	9.18.13.4405	i7-3960X Extreme Edition	Intel Corporation DX79SI
    [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2736519]2736519[/url]	09/11/2014	GTX 980  (x2)	13627	1,127/1,753	9.18.13.4405	i7-3960X Extreme Edition	Intel Corporation DX79SI
    [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2737161]2737161[/url]	09/11/2014	GTX 980  (x2)	15590	1,127/1,753	9.18.13.4405	i7-4930K	ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. P9X79 WS
    [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2737965]2737965[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 980  (x2)	16847	1,127/1,753	9.18.13.4397	i7-5960X	ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. X99-DELUXE
    [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2737876]2737876[/url]	09/11/2014	GTX 980  (x2)	17029	1,127/1,753	9.18.13.4397	i7-5960X	ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. X99-DELUXE
    [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2736508]2736508[/url]	09/11/2014	GTX 980  (x2)	17211	1,127/1,753	9.18.13.4397	i7-5960X	ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. X99-DELUXE
    [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2736590]2736590[/url]	09/11/2014	GTX 980  (x2)	18009	1,127/1,753	9.18.13.4397	i7-5960X	ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. X99-DELUXE
    [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2736542]2736542[/url]	09/11/2014	GTX 980  (x2)	18697	1,127/1,753	9.18.13.4397	i7-5960X	ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. X99-DELUXE
    [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2736227]2736227[/url]	09/11/2014	GTX 980  (x2)	18934	1,127/1,753	9.18.13.4397	i7-5960X	ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. X99-DELUXE
    [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2736576]2736576[/url]	09/11/2014	GTX 980  (x2)	20955	1,127/1,753	9.18.13.4405	i7-3960X Extreme Edition	Intel Corporation DX79SI
    [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2736645]2736645[/url]	09/11/2014	GTX 980  (x2)	20965	1,127/1,753	9.18.13.4405	i7-3960X Extreme Edition	Intel Corporation DX79SI
    [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2736671]2736671[/url]	09/11/2014	GTX 980  (x2)	21019	1,127/1,753	9.18.13.4405	i7-3960X Extreme Edition	Intel Corporation DX79SI
    [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2736562]2736562[/url]	09/11/2014	GTX 980  (x2)	21028	1,127/1,753	9.18.13.4405	i7-3960X Extreme Edition	Intel Corporation DX79SI
    [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2737688]2737688[/url]	09/11/2014	GTX 980  (x2)	24923	1,127/1,753	9.18.13.4397	i7-5960X	ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. X99-DELUXE
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  41. LostCoast707

    LostCoast707 Notebook Consultant

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    I wonder why the scores for GTX 980 sli range from 11317 all the way up to a massively impressive 25300 when they are all running the exact same core and mem clocks
     
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    LostCoast707 Notebook Consultant

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    I'm not sure. I think HTwingnut mentioned what it was in post somewhere, but I can't remember what he said. :confused:
     
  43. D2 Ultima

    D2 Ultima Livestreaming Master

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    I believe Hynix vRAM is indeed the better one. I think the Samsung vRAM is lower quality; and that's what Clevos use. I could be way wrong though, but my 780Ms appear to have Samsung vRAM.
     
  44. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    Simple answer drivers.
     
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    Somehow I don't think you can do +550 mem easily if it's only 'pretty stable'! Overclocks, in my mind, are really only valid if they're 100% stable, and even if that's not your definition then I don't think you can really say yours does +550 'easily', more like 'unreliably'!
     
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    ryzeki Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    Man, new MSI and now new Asus. 980m is looking pretty beastly!

    Asus did announce both 15 and 17 inchers, I wonder when MSI will announce their 15 incher!?!
     
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    ryzeki Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    I know what you mean. While I can do +500mhz, it is not 100% stable and will crash with some games or at some point while gaming. My max stable is around +400mhz.
     
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    It depends on what revision OEMs put on the mxm board. You have a Clevo model? MSI 780m uses Samsung vRAM chips too but they are a different revision. In fact they are the same chips used on a GTX Titan K4G20325FD-FC03 rated at 1500MHz constant use versus the K4G20325FD-FC04 that Clevo/Dell uses rated for 1250MHz.
    You can check their specs here:

    http://component.iiic.cc/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1011185

    http://component.iiic.cc/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1011183

    I did push my RAM once to 1500 (+250/channel - 6000MHz total vRAM speed) and it was stable in the beggining. I had to run my GT60 on coolerboost all the time however as temps peaked at 94°C on normal fan speeds and it was a bit noisy in my house running like that (I live in a small house). Once a certain threshold of heat was reached it started crashing.
     
  49. Cakefish

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    My VRAM can do +620 perfectly stable. Though I don't use that in games for temp reasons. I force myself to use +500 instead.
     
  50. D2 Ultima

    D2 Ultima Livestreaming Master

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    Ah yes, I did remember seeing that actually. Always kind of felt like I had wanted a 780M from MSI at that point haha. But I was more thinking about the 860M maxwell chips. Hynix RAM seems to do the best for them, and the samsung RAM from clevo models don't. Just what I remember from the 860M is a beast thread, and I was simply saying I think Clevos use samsung as I remember my 780Ms having samsung RAM
     
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