Brace yourself: NEW MAXWELL CARDS INCOMING!

GS60/70 are practically ovens, notebook check measured temps on the bottom of the case hot enough to leave burns, and the CPU and GPU both were throttling from temperature. Plus since the CPU can overheat the laptop while the GPU is not even being used just having a better GPU won't solve the problem.

They may or may not have fixed the cooling system, but I would wait for reviews before buying one unless you are planning to fix the heat issue yourself (cooling pad, repaste, undervolt, etc...). All the ultrathin gaming laptops have heat problems still, the MSI ones are by far the worst offenders though. Personally I don't think the cooling tech is quite there yet for under 1 inch thick, maybe when 20nm or 14nm or such arrives.

 

Well we found out that the new GS70 with GTX 970M had much higher CPU score in 3DMark Firestrike, plus the GTX 970M had correct GPU score. With GS70 and 870M it had poor CPU score and the GPU score was down 15% from what it should be.
So it looks like it got to do with the new Maxwell GPU being much cooler or they have made the cooling system better. Maybe a combination although I think it mostly got to do with the GPU.

But yeah, I agree with you. GS series are not ideal regarding cooling.
GT72 and GS70 for example are two entirely different worlds for sure.

 

True so the GPU isn't throttling, and the CPU is throttling less. However we don't yet know if the case is no longer hitting 60-70+ degrees Celsius. Yeah checked it again bottom of MSI GS60 had a max temp under load of 78 degrees Celsius (173 Fahrenheit) when notebook check measured it.

 

Don't expect an improvements there, as i explained before

The MSI is basically cooling a quad core i7 with a single super thin ultrabook sized fan, they rely on throttling the cpu to get away with it.
Gigabyte laptops for example is making advantage of the fact the maxwell gpu doesn't run that hot and linked the second fan to the cpu too, using that setup the cpu never throttle and the gpu stays at high 60/low 70
For me though if GPU performance was worth it i'm willing to sacrifice the heat/noise

The upcoming GS60 with 970m will still throttle/overheat/noisy duo this flaw

 

Here is a quick photo i made showing how flawed MSI cooling is, you can't cool a beast i7 quad at full load without throttle with a single small fan, all other popular laptops are using the 2xfans method expect msi, their cpu does not touch the secondary fan so during browsing/multitasking/video editing/anything that doesn't require gpu power or if you have a cool running gpu the second fan as if doesn't exist and you are using a single fan laptop (a single thin/slim fan)



Stupid design imo your lap will burn lol

 

AMD to release R9 390X to fight GeForce GTX 980 ?

What did you mean by that Hilbert?

 

soo true!

edit: people got the idea in their head that seperate heatpipes is better probably because those laptops that have it had monster coolers and of corse got better temperatures.

you got the best of both worlds by having it connected, neither one is going to be too hot or unnecessary cool, they will cooperate to keep the temperature similar and the exhaust system as optimized as possible

 

I am really hoping the 980M is cheaper than the 880M, as rumors suggested a while ago about Maxwell being cheaper in general. Between upgrading and selling my current 780M, I will likely have spent less than $500 for double the performance. That's definitely worth it.

Please rumors, be true!

 

GTX 980 cheaper than GTX 780 Ti, yes probably. 980 is looking to be around 400mm2, 780 Ti is 560mm2.

GTX 880M however is only 295mm2, GTX 980M is around 400mm2.
Its bigger, faster and much more energy efficient.
Not exactly the recipe for cheaper. but one could always hope...

 

Well, it won't be more money. Technology is always going to get better, that doesn't mean prices will always get higher. It will either be the same or less to keep it marketable. I'm hoping for less, but expecting it to be the same. Either way, $500-$700 for double the performance? Yes, I'm in.

I'm betting you're pretty excited as well. 770M SLI to 970M SLI will be huge.

 

Should be around same price as 880M from resellers, maybe slightly more. The 880M is selling for $800 now on ebay. Perhaps the sellers there will take advantage and price 980M a little more though in the first months.

 

So excited about this new chips. I have a GTX 770M in my Dell M6700 atm and it runs great.

What kind of perfomance could I expect going from a 770M to a 970M?

Has there been any leaked games benchs yet?

Is TDP on the 970M 75W and 980M 100W not 120W like the 780M?

 

I'm just looking for an 870m stock performance in the same TDP as my 860m so I can have it in my 13" notebook.

 

Today's latest scrape.

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ID	Bench Date	GPU		Score	Core/Memory	Driver		CPU		Mobo
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2739733]2739733[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 970 	5126	1,140/1,753	9.18.13.4391	i7-4770K	MSI Z87-GD65 GAMING (MS-7845)
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2739376]2739376[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 970 	10875	1,127/1,753	9.18.13.4391	i7-3770K	Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. Z77P-D3
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2739711]2739711[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 970 	10950	1,140/1,753	9.18.13.4391	i7-4770K	MSI Z87-GD65 GAMING (MS-7845)
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2739679]2739679[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 970 	10953	1,140/1,753	9.18.13.4391	i7-4770K	MSI Z87-GD65 GAMING (MS-7845)
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2739302]2739302[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 970 	11089	1,127/1,253	9.18.13.4391	i7-3770K	Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. Z77P-D3
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2740000]2740000[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 970 	11231	1,140/1,753	9.18.13.4405	i7-4790	MSI Z97 GAMING 5 (MS-7917)
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2741793]2741793[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 970 	11501	1,301/1,350	9.18.13.4391	i7-5960X	MSI X99S XPOWER AC (MS-7881)
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2741921]2741921[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 970 	11796	1,325/1,823	9.18.13.4391	i7-5960X	MSI X99S XPOWER AC (MS-7881)
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2741963]2741963[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 970 	11986	1,372/1,823	9.18.13.4391	i7-5960X	MSI X99S XPOWER AC (MS-7881)
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2738303]2738303[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 970M	7413	924/1,253	9.18.13.4400	i7-4940MX	Notebook P17SM-A
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2738516]2738516[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 970M	7445	924/1,753	9.18.13.4400	i7-4940MX	Notebook P17SM-A
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2738871]2738871[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 970M (x2)	14750	924/1,253	9.18.13.4400	i7-4710HQ	Notebook P375SM-A
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2739508]2739508[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 980 	5782	1,127/1,753	9.18.13.4405	i7-4790K	ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. Z97-A
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2739531]2739531[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 980 	5937	1,127/1,253	9.18.13.4405	i7-4790K	ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. Z97-A
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2740259]2740259[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 980 	5994	1,228/1,753	9.18.13.4391	i7-5960X	MSI X99S XPOWER AC (MS-7881)
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2740221]2740221[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 980 	12451	1,228/1,753	9.18.13.4391	i7-5960X	MSI X99S XPOWER AC (MS-7881)
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2739556]2739556[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 980 	12489	1,127/1,753	9.18.13.4405	i7-4790K	ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. Z97-A
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2738386]2738386[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 980 	12625	1,127/1,253	9.18.13.4405	i7-4770K	ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. Z87-A
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2740761]2740761[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 980 	13105	1,312/1,753	9.18.13.4391	i7-5960X	MSI X99S XPOWER AC (MS-7881)
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2740792]2740792[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 980 	13425	1,351/1,803	9.18.13.4391	i7-5960X	MSI X99S XPOWER AC (MS-7881)
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2741193]2741193[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 980 	13461	1,351/1,803	9.18.13.4391	i7-5960X	MSI X99S XPOWER AC (MS-7881)
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2741229]2741229[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 980 	13523	1,351/1,803	9.18.13.4391	i7-5960X	MSI X99S XPOWER AC (MS-7881)
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2740831]2740831[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 980 	13640	1,383/1,803	9.18.13.4391	i7-5960X	MSI X99S XPOWER AC (MS-7881)
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2741268]2741268[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 980 	13712	1,383/1,803	9.18.13.4391	i7-5960X	MSI X99S XPOWER AC (MS-7881)
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2741313]2741313[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 980 	13776	1,406/1,803	9.18.13.4391	i7-5960X	MSI X99S XPOWER AC (MS-7881)
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2742197]2742197[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 980  (x2)	0.	1,127/1,753	9.18.13.4405	i7-5960X	EVGA INTERNATIONAL CO.,LTD 150-HE-E997
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2742098]2742098[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 980  (x2)	22677	1,127/1,823	9.18.13.4405	i7-5960X	EVGA INTERNATIONAL CO.,LTD 150-HE-E997
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2742169]2742169[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 980  (x2)	22858	1,127/1,753	9.18.13.4405	i7-5960X	EVGA INTERNATIONAL CO.,LTD 150-HE-E997
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2742363]2742363[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 980  (x2)	22862	1,127/1,753	9.18.13.4405	i7-5960X	EVGA INTERNATIONAL CO.,LTD 150-HE-E997
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2742576]2742576[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 980  (x2)	23028	1,127/1,753	9.18.13.4405	i7-5960X	EVGA INTERNATIONAL CO.,LTD 150-HE-E997
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2742407]2742407[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 980  (x2)	23126	1,127/1,753	9.18.13.4405	i7-5960X	EVGA INTERNATIONAL CO.,LTD 150-HE-E997
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2742476]2742476[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 980  (x2)	23183	1,127/1,753	9.18.13.4405	i7-5960X	EVGA INTERNATIONAL CO.,LTD 150-HE-E997
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2743015]2743015[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 980  (x2)	25203	1,127/1,753	6.14.21522.62206	i7-4930K	ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. P9X79 WS
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2743001]2743001[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 980  (x2)	25471	1,127/1,753	6.14.21522.62206	i7-4930K	ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. P9X79 WS
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2742971]2742971[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 980  (x2)	25563	1,127/1,753	6.14.21522.62206	i7-4930K	ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. P9X79 WS
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2739522]2739522[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 980M	9319	1,038/1,753	9.18.13.4391	i7-4790K	Notebook P750ZM
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2739070]2739070[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 980M	9531	1,038/1,253	9.18.13.4400	i7-4940MX	Notebook P17SM-A
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2738869]2738869[/url]	09/12/2014	GTX 980M (x2)	18647	1,038/1,253	9.18.13.4400	i7-4940MX	Notebook P370SM-A

A plot of all the benchmark data over the past few weeks


A "trimmed mean" (after dropping a fraction of highest and lowest elements) of each gpu

 

I've found zero games I wasn't happy with the 870M performance on. Plowing through Wolfenstein: New Order at the moment. Awesome game, easy to get lost in it.

 

So dramatic.. SLI 870M is still fast man..

 

Plus upgrading is possible

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Okay, I just realized I wasn't taking into account a few different variables. One, their were Fire Strike Extreme Scores mixed in which caused a number of discrepancies. Two, I was also incorrectly counting the number of video card's. So I parsed my results again. I'll just post up the graphs. If someone wants the full list again I'll repost the correct version of all benchmarks.

Fire Strike Benchmarks


Fire Strike Extreme Benchmarks


Fire Strike Mean (with outlying scores dropped)


Fire Strike Extreme Mean (with outlying scores dropped)

 

SLI GTX 970 no increase?

 

I find this relevant.

 

I think it'll be the same price as the previous high end - 880M.

 

Excellent, +rep to you - graphs always make more sense than a long table of numbers - very useful!

 

RB? what laptops is the RB?

 

Razer Blade

 

I'm glad I decided to buy a laptop again around this time. I currently just have my desktop rig.

I was considering either the Alienware 14, P34G V2, or P35W V2. Now I will wait for one of those to be upgraded to the 970M. Unless something else that is thin and light gets released with it. Color me excited!

 

Im going to uni on the 28th and I was going to buy the Gigabyte p35W V2 not sure if I should wait now, the longest I can leave it to is Christmas should I wait or not

 

For me it's going to be the new 17" Asus ROG or Alienware. 14" AW would be fine as well, but I doubt Dell will equip it with a 970m. They'll probably wait for the 960m (965m?).


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Asus G771 with 980M, MSI GT72 with 980M or Alienware 18 with GTX 970M SLI for me I think

 

C'mon Cloudfire, go for the 980M SLI

 

I want to but I hate heat and noise. I`m a bit girly that way

Maybe, just maybe, I`ll go the 980M SLI with voltage reduction to see if that helps with heat.

 

For those who wonder, Hermitage Akihabara, a reliable Japanese hardware site, confirmed today that GTX 960 will arrive in late October.
So I think we should see a mobile card based on that one in October/November.
That could be interesting for you GTX 860M owners.

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Well considering that the 980M is essentially Maxwell's "680M", then it should come nice, cool, overvolted and powerful. =D?

 

That article says the GTX 980 will be priced about $799 - $849.

 

RB is razer Blade 2014
Y50 is Lenovo Y50
P34GV2 is gigabyte
GS60 is MSI

Its pretty much the top 4 current thin gaming laptops

 

Except than that 960 gtx is most likely to be the 970m, where as 970 will be 980m, i don´t see that desptop 960 as a 960m or 965m, but i could be wrong

 

If that's in USD, then nVidia is far more stupid than I thought. You can't release a GPU more expensive than the 780Ti which is at best only a something like 2% stronger... I understand people can OC but why would they when 780Tis are there (and will have dropped in price)?

 

Maybe the 970M is the yet-unheard-of GTX 960Ti, and the 960M will be off the 960?

 

Knock about $100 off that and I think you'll find that closer to a RRP in an US store. There seems to be a slight premium (its called getting bent over) on GPU's in Japan in recent times.

 

I doubt it will be sold at that price. That's probably MSRP. I'm sure Amazon and Newegg will sell it for less to be competitive. It will probably be the same price as the 780Ti.

 

970 will be 399$
980 will be 549$
MID November 980 ti 699$ 30% over 980 and 384bit 6GB ram

Just guessing nothing official

 

That would be an amazing 960m, but i highly doubt it

 

So you guys doubt Alienware will give the 14 a 970m? I love the size, looks, and supposedly good build quality of it. And yes I'm a sucker for bright flashy lights, lol.

I suppose I could settle for the 960M. Either way, I just hope these refreshes don't take till January or something. Getting mighty bored of Netflix on the work desktops (still running XP).

 

Very unlikely companies will wait till January for updates to the new cards. Most MSI and Asus seem like they will update sometime in late September. Clevo will likely be Sept-Oct mostly dependent on the OEM making them. The rest I think are less certain, but assuming they are just doing a refresh with the new cards I would expect most to be out by mid November at the latest, they will want to get in on the Christmas shopping season.

 

Good point. Christmas is when all the awesome deals happen too, lol!

 

Yeah I agree. It may even run cooler than 680M if we are lucky. I guess I will just have to wait and see

GTX 970M have 1SMM less than GTX 970 according to Techpowerup, so maybe.
I still think the gap between GTX 970 and GTX 960 will be bigger than just 1SMM.

Yeah the Japan prices are indeed high.
MSI GTX 980 is listed at 640 euros, and GTX 970 is listed at 430 euros in Netherland.

The strange thing is that we have seen benchmarks from Asus, Clevo, MSI and Gigabyte. But not Dell aka Alienware. Why is that?

 

Because dell alienware are 8 months behind on their oem video drivers compared to the latest nvidia drivers.
Just kidding. Lol .
But they really are for ever behind on the latest drivers.

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Well, Alienware are usually not slow at getting new hardware out in their machines though

 

You think 8 months is far? Till this DAY Sager's D900F/NP9280 video driver (for 280M) is the one that came with my disc (179.something).

 

ahem AW13, ahem

 

N16E-GX listed on the first post of this thread is GTX 980M.
Confirmed