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    Brace yourself: NEW MAXWELL CARDS INCOMING!

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Cloudfire, Jul 14, 2014.

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    Nvidia did talk about applying H.265 codec for Maxwell 2.0. So let's keep our fingers crossed for HDMI 2.0 implementation. Regarding display port 1.3, may be by 2016 in products I guess...not so sure.

    Second generation Maxwell to support H.265
     
    tlprtr19, Sep 15, 2014
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    I think the 4810MQ won't bottleneck much. If a 3.6GHz haswell i7 is a bottleneck, that game is dumb XD. (See: Battlefield 4; still not out of beta yet)
     
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    What's the current watts of the 870M? I see it hovering around 70-80c on most thin notebooks during gpu load.

    Edit: I read it's 100W? So please explain to a noob how a 100W card will be hotter than the new 970M and 980M? Unless it's because of the new architecture?
     
    ericc191, Sep 15, 2014
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    Do we know the wattage of the 970M? If so, I missed the post.
     
    Derek712, Sep 15, 2014
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    148W, last page
     
    rehv, Sep 15, 2014
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    That's the 970 not 970M but that's the power consumption not the tdp
     
    Killerinstinct, Sep 15, 2014
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    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    we don't.

    and @ ericc191

    the 870m is a cut down 680m with much higher clocks and lower bandwidth, TDP is 100w
     
    Karamazovmm, Sep 15, 2014
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    Yes, sorry, long day and no sleep :( :( :(
     
    rehv, Sep 15, 2014
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    Okay thanks for the explanation.

    I'm just worried we're all getting our hopes up just to have them crushed again. The last two times I've upgraded to a new generation of notebooks(gpus), they've both been built up to be the end all be all and all I got were "throttle monsters."

    I'm also wondering just how reliable this "videocardZ.net" is. Seems mighty convenient that they are the only ones leaking all this new information. I do hope I'm wrong, though.
     
    ericc191, Sep 15, 2014
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    It kinda me off a little bit that the GTX 980M only have 13SMM and the full GM204 is actually 16SMM.
    A full GM204 is probably 20-25% faster than the GTX 980M we get, and they could have easily released a full GM204 with same TDP as GTX 680M.

    But instead they are safe keeping that one until 2015 to have a new mobile GPU to sell. I understand it though from a business perspective since if they ideally released a full GM204 as GTX 980M in October and 13SMM as GTX 970M and GTX 960M as 10SMM, they have nothing to sell next year since GM204 is the only high end chips we will get from Maxwell.

    But it still

     
    Cloudfire, Sep 15, 2014
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    Memory bandwidth on the 870M is *NOT* lower than the 680M at stock. It has a smaller memory bus but the clocks are much higher. In terms of overclocking, the 870M at 6000MHz memory clock needs a 680M at 1150MHz base memory clock (4600MHz effective) to beat it (by 3.2GB/s too), and as far as I know, most people could not get that memory bandwidth that high on the 680M. If you pass 6000MHz effective on the 870M though, it'll be a clear winner for mem bandwidth.
     
    D2 Ultima, Sep 15, 2014
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  13. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    You are correct I confused the bus width with the bus bandwidth
     
    Karamazovmm, Sep 15, 2014
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    Yeah Titan would smoke 980 in GPGPU. 980 is GM204 and doesn't even have double-precision enabled.
     
    octiceps, Sep 15, 2014
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    Shouldnt that just be the info on what screen is hooked up but the benchmark should have a default resolution?
    Anything other would be weird dont you think?
     
    Cloudfire, Sep 15, 2014
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    Cloudfire, Sep 15, 2014
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    Will we be seeing some real-world (gaming) benchmarks when the NDA gets lifted?
     
    kiwipeter, Sep 15, 2014
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    I'm annoyed too but it makes finnancial sense, they did the exact same thing for GK104 with the 680M. AMD has absolutely no response to this yet plus, it is soooo much cheaper to find 13SMM GM204 GPUs that can scale from 145W to 100W than it is to bin 16SMM GPUs to find those units that can scale to 100W from 175W. I'm guessing next year, the top end part will have 16SMMs at 100W while the second tier gets 13SMMs and 75W TDP.
     
    Marksman30k, Sep 15, 2014
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  23. Kevin

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    Every thin notebook I see with the 870M has serious overheating issues.

    Well, that's like, your opinion man.
     
    Kevin, Sep 15, 2014
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    If a full GK104 chip running at GTX 680 or higher clock speeds can work in mobile and Maxwell's full desktop GM204 chips exhibit the following comparative features over full desktop GK104:
    1 - less heat
    2 - less power draw

    Then it's not really opinion. They would be 100% capable of doing it. The question at that point becomes "do they want to?", and the answer to that is a resounding "no", because how dare laptop video cards compare to desktop flagships on release?
     
    D2 Ultima, Sep 15, 2014
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    Has anybody ever gotten a 780M/880M to run at 1110/6008 (matching a stock 680) 24/7 without issue?
     
    octiceps, Sep 15, 2014
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    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    I think Meaker games on 1006/6000. Don't quote me though.
     
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    I know deadsmiley had his 880M running at 1137 core 24/7 before the latest driver update he did, but I do not know his memory clock. I think some of the single GPU members might have ran their single 780Ms at a higher-than-1000MHz core; not sure about memory.
     
    D2 Ultima, Sep 15, 2014
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    Semi-OT but did anyone see this? NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 and GTX 970 Pricing Revealed

    If 980 really is priced at $599 then nVidia can go stick it where the sun doesn't shine. I'll either hold off or go for an R9 295X2 which can be had for only $1000 now, or buy 2x 970 and overclock them to within an inch of their lives. (assuming skyn3t releases a modded vBIOS)
     
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    Wait for 390X :p lol
     
    Killerinstinct, Sep 15, 2014
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    Memory clock was 1450.
     
    deadsmiley, Sep 15, 2014
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    Guru3D Leaked Gaming Benchmarks @1440p???

    (seems like the source was from this Chiphell thread)

    Not sure how legit these are, and the general consensus is that "Unknown 2" is 970, NOT 980, while "Unknown 1" is 960. I'm just gonna wait for Friday at this point lol.

    Although if legit, the single card result does seem to indicate that 980's 256 bit bus causes it to trail the 384 bit 780 Ti at 1440p when overclocked.
     
    n=1, Sep 15, 2014
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    Can't say that I'm surprised about this. I knew cheap high end cards would only be cheaper for nVidia not the consumer. And now that AMD legitimately has nothing to counter with... Ugh. In for 2 years of price gouging at the extreme.

    Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Tapatalk
     
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    Lol why wouldn't u wait till Friday anyways :D
     
    Killerinstinct, Sep 16, 2014
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    Is that that coolers tdp or the chips ?
     
    Killerinstinct, Sep 16, 2014
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    Pretty close I'd say. I think if I was single-GPU and had a bit more robust cooling or some mods done, I would be keeping a 24/7 OC myself. I only don't OC because I don't need to due to SLI, but when I have been limited in single-GPU games (like Titanfall before the SLI patch) is the only time I ever really need to OC XD
     
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    I don't have enough patience to wait that long (after all, The Witcher 3 will already be out)! It is annoying indeed, but if TDP is rumoured to be as ridiculously low as this then that really is going to be a cool running chip compared with the 780M :D
    And at least clock speeds are high from the get-go instead of the low 680M stock speeds.
     
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    Dunno if this has been posted yet...

    GM200 -- GTX Titan II??

    Article is kinda old but basically

    -Nov/Dec launch; previous rumor was March 2015 launch
    -50% performance increase (over what? original Titan? GM204? not specified)
     
    n=1, Sep 16, 2014
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    to go to the game24 event in london or not to go... that is the question!
     
    kevin_172, Sep 16, 2014
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  40. n=1

    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    Dress in red and CRASH DA PARTEH!!!!
     
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  41. octiceps

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    So no. :p

    10char
     
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    Which would be the same thing, no? At least in gaming, not compute ofc.
     
    octiceps, Sep 16, 2014
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    Cloudfire, Sep 16, 2014
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    Translation:
    October 11th for 970M and 980M :)
     
    Cloudfire, Sep 16, 2014
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    Where are you from? Cloudfire

    You quote lots of website from China and Taiwan.
     
    jasonlam, Sep 16, 2014
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    Praise the Chinese for their overzealous acquisition of leaked material and information! (And, of course, Cloudfire, for translating & linking it.) :D
     
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    Cloudfire is from Jupiter.

    [​IMG]
     
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    I'm gonna say it's glitched. It's the first 3x run on Fire Strike I've seen but 3x has scored 17029 on Fire Strike Extreme

    Here's the highest 9-- series scores from yesterday:

    Fire Strike
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    [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2755174]2755174[/url]	09/15/2014	GTX 980  (1x)	15684	1,367/2,003	9.18.13.4407	i7-4770K	ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. MAXIMUS VI EXTREME
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2755847]2755847[/url]	09/15/2014	GTX 980  (2x)	21010	1,127/1,753	9.18.13.4407	i7-4770K	ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. MAXIMUS VI EXTREME
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2757101]2757101[/url]	09/15/2014	GTX 980  (3x)	19333	1,127/1,753	9.18.13.4391	i7-5960X	MSI X99S XPOWER AC (MS-7881)
    Fire Strike Extreme
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    [url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2755571]2755571[/url]	09/15/2014	GTX 970  (1x)	5230	1,140/1,753	9.18.13.4407	i7-4770K	MSI Z87-GD65 GAMING (MS-7845)
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2757160]2757160[/url]	09/15/2014	GTX 980  (1x)	6357	1,216/1,753	9.18.13.4407	i7-3960X	ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. P9X79
[url=http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2757135]2757135[/url]	09/15/2014	GTX 980  (3x)	13721	1,127/1,753	9.18.13.4391	i7-5960X	MSI X99S XPOWER AC (MS-7881)
     
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    Cloudfire, Sep 16, 2014
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