Brace yourself: NEW MAXWELL CARDS INCOMING!

sure, take the gx500 inside a fridge it can cool anything, maybe some LN2 helps too, does that mean anything?

 

I agree. This is why I'm more than okay dropping my money on an Alienware 14 if they are awesome enough to equip it with a 970m/980m. Then again, my limit is $2000 and I bet Alienware will be charging like $2400-2900 for a 14 with 970m.

 

you are talking about this


vs this




gigabyte did what NX500/GX500 should've done, and still got throttling on the CPU. how are things supposed to get better with an 100W card?

 

It probably would lol maybe you have to replace a ln2 cartridge every 2 hours , anyways why not wait till we actually get data results for thin laptops with a gtx 980M ?

 

Might as well bring a desktop around with you then :laugh:

 

Idk about that man, AW14 always seems to be for mid tier GPU. maybe if the m15 comes back lol

 

I'm more than willing to see the actual result, what I'm saying is that with what GX500 has now it's simply not possible to cool a 980m

 

Maybe nVidia is magical and have somehow made the 980M's max temps be 50 deg under 100% load

 

that's not magical at all, throttle to 100mhz under 100% load I guarantee you it's not gonna pass 50C

 

I dunno mayne, maybe the 860M was a test run at only 40% efficiency (I'm having fun with these emotes I love you all <3 <3)

 

Given the scores we have been seeing it will be fun to see the 980m with a nice OC outperform the 780Ti/980, and since Maxwell probably OCs well it wouldn't be hard

Won't even upgrade from my 780m for another 3-4 years but it's still exciting to see the improvement and how close we are getting to desktop.

 

I'm dead certain a full GM204 laptop chip could be made right now, but nVidia probably won't do that because it'll be too close to the desktop chips' power. If they actually do and surprise us with what we thought was a 980M being a 970M and the 970M being the 960M (which is why it appears to be 75W TDP) then we might have a REAL 980M on our hands and it'll be glorious. But this is super speculation and I doubt it is true. Well, we'll see in like 2 days.

 

Omg hadn't seen those images, What on earth did they do with those heat-pipes? Got to wonder how much efficiency is lost using the middle as the evaporator, and both ends as the condensers. Never seen them used that way before. Bet thats half their problem right there though.

 

and keep in mind NX500 has tiny heat sinks because of its size (but at least it's copper) gigabyte used aluminum but was able squeeze in larger heat sinks and that still didn't solve their problem

 

If i were to design a laptop i would go extreme, this is a 1min photoshop job



And the truth is this laptop would create less noise since fans does not need to go on turbo to cool it



Thats the original




Would you buy my Extreme Version? 0 throttle 980m even with high OC lol

 

What prices do you think the 970M and 980M will be to buy the MXM version guys?

I'm thinking of going to a 980M since it's only 80,90W TDP and still be ok to run games on battery with my slice without it running for 1 hour.

I'm imagining that I need to run a custom Vbios like I do now with my 770M to get it to work also.

 

Off-topic on the weird heat-pipes in those images. Long so spoiled, ignore if you don't care.

Spoiler

My take on how a dual evaporator + dual condenser heat-pipe would end up working. This is conjecture based on my admittedly limited knowledge of the physics involved in them, and it is possible I am missing something or they use a different form of heat-pipe I am not familiar with.

Code:

 ________________________________________________________________
(________________________________________________________________)
|      |            |      |        |      |             |      |
|Cond A|  Pipe x   |Evap B| Pipe y |Evap C|    Pipe z  |Cond D|

(FAN)              (GPU)            (CPU)               (Fan)

Case 1: Only CPU, or Only GPU is hot
Vapor is sent fairly evenly to both condensers and returns through wicking acting fairly normally for a heat-pipe. Due to having the same amount of heat-pipe in contact with the evaporator but the vapor being sent in multiple directions it should have a lower pressure, though at these distances and not fighting gravity this should not be an issue. Lower pressure may reduce speed of heat transfer slightly, but the increased cooling from multiple Condensers should overall improve cooling over a single condenser. Having 2 individual heat-pipes to 2 separate condensers would still likely be slightly more efficient.
____________________________________________________________________________
Case 2: CPU and GPU both are producing enough heat to vaporize all fluid in the Wicking before it can move beyond them into Pipe section {y}.
Based on the amount of liquid being evaporated by both CPU and GPU being nearly even, the pressure should equalize quickly with more vapor on the side of the cooler of the CPU and GPU. or if they are similar enough that the pressure difference is less than the area of the pipe contained in Pipe section {y}, then both Pipe {x} and Pipe {z} would contain equal quantity of vapor and condensed liquid in the wicking.

At this point both Evap {B} would only be sending vapor to Cond {A}, and Evap {c} would only be sending vapor to Cond {D}. Minimal heat would be passed long Pipe {y} as the equalized pressure would keep the vapor from moving and the high heat would keep it from condensing, though a small amount would still travel especially via the copper tubing.

Overall efficiency would be similar though somewhat reduced compared to a system where the CPU and GPU have regular style heat-pipes that only go to a single condenser each. This case nullifies all advantages of connecting the GPU and CPU via heat-pipes.
____________________________________________________________________________

Case 3: Either CPU or GPU is producing enough heat to evaporate all liquid in the wicking, the other is only producing enough to evaporate a portion of the liquid.

for this case going to assume CPU is at max heat, GPU is at a far lower heat.

Evap {C} produces far higher pressure than Evap {B} causing some vapor to end up going all the way to Cond {A}. Vapor pressure equalizes over time somewhere between Evap {C} and Evap {B}, however due to Pipe{X+y} being longer and cooler, more progressively more and more liquid becomes trapped in the wicking on the Cond {A} side of Evap {C}. This will at some point stop once Pipe {z} has it's wicking gets dry enough that the enough less vapor is being caused by the CPU that both it and the GPU are causing an equal pressure.

At this point both Sides should again function almost as though they were separate systems, though in this case both will probably function at only the rate of the cooler of the two. Since heat-pipes increase in the speed they transmit heat based primarily on the difference in heat between the evaporator and the condenser this will end up causing the system to function at a far reduced level compared to just having completely separate heat-pipes.
____________________________________________________________________________

Overall I see no possibility of having dual centralized evaporators on a single heat-pipe being beneficial. Does anyone else see something I missed, or find fault with my logic/physics?

Oh and no your 2 added fans would provide approximately no additional cooling with that heat-pipe setup. Modify the heat-pipes right and yeah adding another fan or 2 could help a ton.

 

Let's have our own 24 hour EVENT!

 

A full GM204 would only be possible if heavily underclocked, since the full chip (GTX 980) would still push at least 160W, and that's just too much for any laptop to handle.

 

A fully unlocked chip will always out perform a partially disabled one watt for watt.

 

A little off topic, but I just came across this XOTIC PC Phantom X1? It looks pretty cool. I tried searching the forum and the web for info, but couldn't find any. I like the styling a lot and the price. Hopefully it gets the 900M series upgrade as well because I may just buy it.

XOTIC PC | PHANTOM X1 - Custom 15.6" Gaming Laptop by XOTIC PC

Edit: Just noticed its weight is nearly 6.5lbs. Looked pretty thin and light from the pictures.

 

Did you even look at the benchmark I posted? It was clearly a GX500 featuring a GTX 980M that was benched in a 1440p Firestrike benchmark. And it fits with the notebook because its a 4K display and they wanted to see how it perform on higher res than 1080p.

Guess we will have to wait and see

 

0DB the heck,

most non-gaming and light-gaming applications, the card should be completely quiet

It doesn't even need a fan to cool it during light use, no wonder this gpu is getting in like every laptop

These desktop gpus getting HDMI 2:0 too

 

I may replace the GTX 670 in my desktop with a 970 if not for the size and power alone!

 

CPUs run hotter than GPUs.
The TDP is lower but they output much more heat per mm2. Look up any review with a crappy notebook featuring a simple 4700HQ 47W and a 75-100W GPU. You will see that the CPUs tend to go up in the high 90s and the GPU in the high 80s.

i7 4700HQ is like 170mm2, but the CPU part with the cores are maybe only 100mm2.
GTX 980M is maybe 85W, but the heat is spread across 400mm2.

Asus knows their cooling. Since they ran a complete Firestrike Extreme benchmark and both the CPU and the 980M scored perfectly, it means there was no throttling and they worked like they should and thats a very good sign that the cooling is sufficient. But of course, it was just a benchmark, so it will indeed be interesting to see it with gaming.
I think though, that the hardware inside the GX500 will undoubtly on the hot side.

 

so there will be gtx 980m in 14 inch laptops also? will clevo W230ss get gtx 970m??

 

19mm 15inch and another 20mm 15 is getting 980m confirmed, 14 getting 970m confirmed but from data seems 980m is not hard to cool so expect updated razerblade (14 laptop) to get 980m or 970m minimum soon

 

Seems like leaks are appearing everywhere on the web from various OEMs

All kinds of GeForce GTX 970 and 980 AIB cards show on the web

 

Well the 980M we're thinking of is already underclocked. But the 970/980 cards run much cooler and draw less power than the GTX 670 & 680/770 cards, no? if we have a downclocked 680/770 that works fine, I don't see why a cooler, more power efficient full GM204 chip can't be put in a laptop with a similar (or maybe slightly less of a) downclock compared to the full GK104 chips. It should work.

I wish Razer would never buy the new chips. Their marketing makes me entertain evil thoughts.

 

19mm!! That is crazy! It is MXM upgradeable ? might be all over that like a rash!!

 

...1 day or 10 pages later...

- So what people, are we expecting to see 11" eePad Transofrmer with 980M? Maybe it will be little bit downclocked to match 45W TDP, what you think?

- Yeah! Definitely! I wish I could see full GM204 chip in tablet this year! But I guess Nvidia will just leave it for mid 2015 because that's Nvidia

- Well 970M in 10" tablet is OK too. I will sell my current tablet with Tegra now.

- People, we don't know if this rumors are legit yet... although I already found a link with benchmark on tablet 30 times higher than before so that should mean something.
Remember to look at graphics score

 

I want a thin laptop with a "race exhaust" to shoot flames!

 

I couldn't find any other info about it too. I saw that it was added to their website on Sept 13th. I'll keep one eye on it.

 

Tablets Schmablets! :-D

 

Is someone stopping you from going to 3dmark homepage and trying to find that tablet with a GTX 970M?

Unlike you, we didnt take the specs from thin air. We have reasons to believe it might happen

I dont know, probably soldered GPU.

 

What do they do with their marketing?

If razer gets the 989m. I might go for that.

But if GX500 or G60 gets 980m and p34g v3 or razer gets 97pm.

I'm probably going for g60 or GX500 because it will be sleek and best mobile for at least a year.

 

I just guess it's too much talk about how big chip will be put and in how thin laptop. Lets wait couple days because speculating on cooling of not existing laptops is far more than about graphic cards and it's performance.

All this will be told after laptop's announcments anyway afterall

 

It would be awesome if you could buy a laptop same day of release.

 

First World problems: my $2000 notebook not released soon enough to burn my money ... F* U ASUS (?) Hahahaha

 

Fire Strike Extreme is still pretty light when it comes to heat output though. Both my GPUs and CPU run at least 5-10C lower compared to playing a demanding game like Far Cry 3, so I would just take the Fire Strike Extreme test at face value and not infer anything.

 

TBH as long as its not a nuclear reactor like the 800m series it will be good!

 

Why are you here then?

Time is precious, money is precious - buying machines like these is not something to be considered lightly. Unfortunately the release cycles of this hardware is such that one can continue to wait in order to get the most value for money, but in turn be inconvenienced in other ways.

Currently being tethered to a desktop is having a negative effect on work and life - the sooner I am able to sell up and be mobile, the sooner I am able to get on with certain things I have been unable to do in the past. Yes I still desire to be able to enjoy one of the very few, if only indulgence/vice in life - certain games. Because of this I'm not willing to waste money on a cheap second hand laptop in the meantime when it will be a loss in the end.

In any case a machine like this would be one of only two valuable personal material items I ever intend on owning. For the record I have no intention of spending anywhere near that kind of money, especially on gaudy machines like that asus - however time is a priority. If they are first to market (unlikely) then the decision will have to be made.

Dunno why I wrote all that - I fully understand and appreciate where you're coming from, believe me I would be the first person to put anything like this into perspective. However I just felt there needed to be some balance to this point of view.

 

Saying the gx500 managed the heat fine for a test is meaningless since we don't know how it was done.

Hopefully they had it on a desk at room temperature and it stayed cool and worked fine, if so I am probably buying one going to wait for a review or decent evidence though.

On the other hand they could have easily:
- Placed it on a powerful cooling pad
- Run it inside a walk in freezer
- blew compressed air cans into the air intakes during the duration of the test (can damage computers, but works)

 

So is the 980m more powerful than desktop 780 TI? If that is true that is so Epic.

I can't wait to rock out with my cowck out.

 

No it is not.

 

More powerful than 780 and not the TI?

 

more like about even with the 780.

on the other hand if it can overclock as well as the 860m maxwell. Then it might be able to easily have a stable overclock as powerful as a stock 780ti. We will have to wait and see though.

 

Well that's perfect for me.

Can you imagine a 780 TI in your notebook. I mean you could game anything you like on the down low without anyone knowing about it unless you had the razer and then you would stick out like a sore thumb.

I might just get the razer lol.

I am just going to get the fist manufacturer that puts out the 980m in a slim form factor.

 

Why on earth would they do that?

 

Even if the 980M is 85W at stock, overclocking to 780 Ti level will guarantee 100+W heat output. Good luck with the heat in a <1" laptop.