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    Brace yourself: NEW MAXWELL CARDS INCOMING!

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Cloudfire, Jul 14, 2014.

  1. Robbo99999

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    Would be nice of them to consider the UK folks!

    This is the live streaming link to the event (seems to be starting 2am UK time Friday morning!):
    http://game24.nvidia.com/event
     
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    It still hasn't started yet?

    Do we know anything else yet?
     
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    I am so hyped for the gtx 970m and 980m. I also wont be upgrading for another 2-3 years, but i am keen to see the gtx 980m OC to gtx 780TI level.
     
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    I will be buying a 980m laptop and not upgrading for a couple of years as well.

    If I want a 980m that doesn't throttle under heat is Razer my only option?

    Could there be a sli 980m laptop that is slim?
     
  5. D2 Ultima

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    Where did you get that idea? Razer cuts out a truckton of other gear in their machines to keep it as thin as it is, and even then it's never had anything beyond a midrange GPU and an entry level integrated i7. Clevo and Alienware and MSI's higher end laptops should cool better (or at the minimum, as well)

    You do realize that slim laptops do not have much room for cooling... you want a SLI flagship laptop that is slim without throttling or any kind. Come on man. If it happens, then fine. It probably is not going to happen unless Maxwell is FAR cooler than anyone ever imagined. And even then, the only likely model is probably going to be one of those ASUS auroras or something... clevo and AW don't make ultra slim high end notebooks, especially with SLI, and I haven't seen high-end SLI in a non-Clevo/non-AW in years.
     
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    Yeah, let's be realistic - 980m sli is not going to be some 15" <10mm piece of paper laptop.

    I would expect single 980m in a 15" slim laptop to be quite hot.

    970m is a bit more interesting, depending on how it compares to the 860m in terms of heat output and battery life.
     
  7. Ningyo

    Ningyo Notebook Evangelist

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    There are no cool thin gaming laptops now, and 980m will not make for one. Razer blade 14 admittedly probably is the coolest ultrathin, and it very possibly will get a 980m and run even cooler. That said it will still be toasty, right now running cooler means just barely managing to keep the CPU and GPU from throttling under heavy load. Even with a future 960m these ultra thin laptops will be warm enough it is unpleasant to use them on your lap.

    It is highly unlikely a truly cool running ultra thin laptop will exist until at least Skylake CPU and Pascal GPU are around in 1-3 years.

    As far as thin SLI laptops the only one to really exist is the Aorus (gigabyte offshoot) x7. It presently is running 2x 860m kepler, 980m will likely be similar or possibly lower in temperature, so it probably will get them. Again it will still be hot.

    If you want a cool running gaming laptop they do exist, however right now they are all over 40mm (1.6") thick (Asus g750, MSI Dominator GT72 are good examples).

    It is likely with present technology a 980m laptop only 30mm thick that runs cool could be created, though even then it likely would still be slightly loud due to high fan speeds. So far I have not yet found one though.


    Edit: oh and as far as present Laptop SLI options you are limited to the Alienware 18, I believe 2 clevo barebones, and that Aorus x7. About a year ago there was also the Lenovo y500 which allowed an SLI using an Ultrabay concept, but as far as I know its no longer being made.
     
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    GTX 970 will sell for $299-$399 depending on the card I think.
    GTX 980M? Have no idea, should be as bloody expensive like GTX 880M. Gotta pay up to play the game :p
     
  12. rehv

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    Getting a 970 then I think :p Nvidia: the way it's meant to be PAYED :eek: :eek: :eek:
     
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    Nothing new. We mobile veterans are used to paying a bloody expensive premium over our desktop brothers.
    GTX 970 $330
    GTX 980M: $900 (?)

    Yeah its a sick difference because the two GPUs are identical and the desktop one probably cost more to make (better VRAM, PCB, better power supply, better cooling etc).
     
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    Supply and demand

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
     
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    It could be like the 780M :) , $750 or maybe just maybe we might get extremely lucky and its priced $300 just cuz nvidia just wants some s and giggles
     
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    Google translate is your friend. From reading that it sounds just l like this thread. Hahahaha!
     
  18. n=1

    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    Pics all edited away, but from what they're saying 970 is supposed to be 2499 CNY ($409 USD) and 980 apparently will either be 2999 CNY ($491 USD, very unlikely) or 3499 CNY ($573 USD). Then there's someone saying they pre-ordered a 980 fror 3950 CNY ($647 USD), keeping in mind these cards go for more in China due to import duties.

    Rest of the posts are of no importance :p (mostly discussing the power efficiency, how or if AMD is going to respond, and nVidia's certain price gouging on these cards)
     
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    Maxwell numbers leaked -- WCCFTech

    GTX 980 -- $549, 15% faster than 290X
    GTX 970 -- $329, 10% faster than 290

    Like I predicted, 980 is overpriced, but 970 really does hit the sweet spot. Although I'd like to see some gaming benchmarks beyond 1440p, as well as SLI scaling before making any decisions.

    And for all you people saying Maxwell will run cool, look at the temps for 980 :eek: Just as bad as GTX 780

    So let me get this straight, 980 only performs 10-15% better than 970, costs $220 more, and RUNS JUST AS HOT AS 780 with "only" 175W TDP vs the 250W for 780? Yeah sounds like a total failure of a card to me.

    EDIT: Yes I noticed the 780 fan runs 300 RPM higher in 3DMark11 and Unigine Heaven, but runs 300 RPM slower than the 980 fan in Furmark. Possibly the 780 is throttling badly so there is less heat output, but the 980 is still going full bore.

    But man that 970 is sweet, pretty sure a non-reference card will be able to be OC'd to 980 levels and beyond. We shall see... (here's to hoping that $329 price is real, and SLI scale doesn't totally flop)

    I'm personally drooling at the propsect of 3x 970 right now... (and still costs less than 2x 980!)
     
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    So how do you run 4K 60 FPS on Ultra?

    4 Black Edition Titans with 2 GPUs each? Totaling 8 SLI?
     
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    Remember GTX 670 performing around 95% of the GTX680 while being 100dlrs cheaper? Yeah.
     
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    I remember.
     
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    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    Sure but if the pricing is true then $220 or 67% more than 970 for 15% more performance is just price gouging and thinking we're all idiots.

    But really my biggest disappointment is the thermals -- with only 70% of 780's TDP (250W for 780, 175W for 980), the 980 still runs just as hot.

    EDIT: Yes the 780 fan is spinning about 300 RPM faster in 3DMark11 and Unigine Heaven, but in Furmark the 980 fan is actually spinning 300 rpm faster.

    Yeah I dunno lol, probably says something about the efficiency curve
     
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    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    Imgur blocked at work :/
     
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    Their benchmarks included 2560x1600, thats the 16:10 ratio eqivalent of 1440p (2560x1440), so you actually did get some fairly relevant benchmarks there.

    Also their cooling numbers and power consumptions are rather odd, got to wonder for instance in most of their measurements the 970 system was using more power than the 980. Going to wait for more information in a day or two before I start thinking the 980 is a bad card.


    EDIT: you do realize after all these leaks we will end up finding they release less information than we have already in their official release tomorrow :p
     
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    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    I'm more curious about SLI scaling at this point tbh, and also I said beyond 1440p meaning 3K/4K, but that's probably asking too much of GM204.

    Yeah I'm gonna wait for the official reviews to come out, something is really odd here.
     
  30. Tonrac

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    We have to wait for the real review, that will describe the card in detail. We know nothing about the heatsink on the GTX 980. With less TDP you could make your card run at the same temperature of GTX780 with lower fan speed to save your ear.
     
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    That was my first thought too, but they actually do give the fan speeds, and it appears to be the same fan probably based on them using the same reference card design. They could have changed it or maybe that black coating is messing with heat transfer, or something else weird. Just going to have to wait for more/better info.
     
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    Yes the 780 fan runs 300 RPM higher in 3DMark11 and Unigine Heaven, but runs 300 RPM slower than the 980 fan in Furmark.

    Possibly the 780 is badly throttling leading to reduced heat output, while the 980 is still going full bore.

    Also I think stock 980 uses the Titan cooler.
     
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    Why arent you guys any more excited about GM204 in mobile?

    Let me post the important slides:

    The first obvious one: Energy efficiency. Twice the efficiency of GK104 which was GTX 680M. Amazing


    But the most important ones is how Nvidia have increased bandwidth efficiency.
    Remember that both GK104 and GM204 is 256bit. Bandwidth is extremely important for AA in games and high resolution gaming. That they increased the bandwidth over GK104 (GTX 680M/780M/880M) means that GM204 (980M and GTX 970M) most likely will SMOKE our previous mobile cards on Ultra settings in games.



    Just look how GM204 zoooms away from GK104 once more settings are enabled


    I saw signs of this already with Firestrike Extreme where a GTX 980M was only 10% from GTX 880M SLI, where in the other benchmarks they were more apart.

    This is amazing news. Can`t wait to see the GTX 980M reviews not even talk about owning this chip! :notworthy:
     
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    Who is going to watch the Live Event?
     
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    Does anyone actually have any pictures of the laptops with the 970m or the 980m?

    This is 2014 ... Someone has to have leaked it out!
     
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    Not that many people on this thread are interested but this slide is the most interesting for me:

    NVIDIA-Maxwell-GM204-Press-Slides-40.jpg

    I wasn't considering SLI before due to the latency it causes with VR but this may change everything. Considering how demanding VR is being able to run most games on a laptop at a constant 75fps at 1080p or higher on high settings now seems possible :)
     
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    I currently have the 15.6" Clevo P150SM with the GTX 780M (custom vbios - 1025MHz core / 6000Mhz memory) which has been very good. Still, it's hard to resist the upgrade bug given these performance numbers.

    How easily will it be to replace the 780M with the 980M?

    I've not done a laptop GPU replacement before. Do Clevo's typically require a BIOS update for the swap, or can the cards be exchanged fairly easily like they would in a desktop? I know I have to disassemble, install, re-paste, re-assemble, and all of that. That's not the issue, I'd just like to know if the 980M will be recognized by the P150SM.
     
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    I haven't seen any but here are all the notebooks used for 970M/980M benchmarks in the past week:

    Notebook P17SM-A
    Notebook P15SM-A/SM1-A
    Notebook P370SM-A
    Notebook P375SM-A
    Notebook P750ZM
    Notebook P650SE
    Notebook P650SG
    GIGABYTE P35V3
    GIGABYTE P37
    ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. GX500JMC
     
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    Dual SLI 980m ... Yummy ...

    75 FPS Ultra Settings ...

    Makes you wanna slap your own momma ...
     
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    Is that Nvidia's own HMD? Well good luck with that, but if it can overcome the SLI latency then it's a big win compared to Oculus Rift.
     
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    Lol the P750ZM sounds interesting
     
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    It's nvidia , ofc they will overcome ski latency , the true question how much will it cost :)
     
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    money is no object for complete mobile package within sexy form factor.
     
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    I am just glad we do not have to put two SLI 980m's in this ...
     

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    That Asus will have notebooks with those chips and are prepping up for launch
     
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    out of 100 percent what do you think the odds are of being able to pre-order a 980m GX500 or laptop with 980m in the next 3 days and have it delivered in October?
     
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    GTX 970 SLI for $660 (or $600 for reference cards)?! :eek:

    This may be a day one impulse buy for me. I'll have them sitting in the closet for months while I figure out the rest of my system. LOL
     
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    No, they are simply referring to direct rendering to the rift (instead of mirroring displays). The SLI latency has been a sore spot with the rift for a while now. It was the graphics manufacturers problem to solve and it looks like they may have solved it. I believe AMD is also working on it's own VR crossfire solution.
     
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