Clevo notebooks with 800M series coming out February 2014

The Maxwell equivalent 880M is only coming in May/June. The 880M coming out in Feb is a rebranded 780M with too much VRAM (8GB VRAM) and slightly higher clocks.

 

Ahhh.. that's "kinda" what else I needed to talk about.

:/

The 880m doesn't have 8gb of vram.. the Clevo images were referring to system ram, not gpu ram.

The "8gb+" slide we saw.. that meant laptop models starting in ram ranges of 8gbs and beyond wpuld be target focus of the 880m..
Not the 880m having 8gbs of vram.

Sorry for the bad news.

Think about it. There's no reason 1080p gaming laptops need 8gb's of buffer on the video card. Really no reason for even 3gb.

You can barely hit 3gb's at 4k resolutions on desktop gpu's. Much less 1080p. And the target resolution for the past couple card generations (and apparently now the 800m as well) is still 900p. They play their best at that... even 1080 strains them.

 

People at the Alienware forums are already playing with the 880M: http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...benchmark-thread-part-3-a-82.html#post9547049

It has 8GB of VRAM indeed, despite all our rationalization of it being a misunderstanding.

 

Thanks for the reply.
Ah, a fellow nordic person, a small internet (world)

Yeah know the GE are quite crappy just that its quite good price / performance for the hardware.
I think I'll wait for the new GPU:s which was what I intended from the start (but thanks for confirming that I shouldn't buy something earlier, sounds like good advice).

Where do you usually order when buying Clevo-computers from the US?
Any particular place you have experience with that you recommend?

 

If I'm not mistaken, the Alienware 770M comes with the double pipe heatsink, whereas the 780M uses triple pipe, so you may have to buy a new heatsink as well.

 

It is working alright for the most part....

 

@johnksss: It looks to me like you didn't get any throttling with that GPU score you got either? Were you using svl7's VBIOS or the stock VBIOS when you did your overclock there? How does the stock VBIOS behave, what triggers the throttling in the stock VBIOS?

 

@ johnksss - what power draw is there for the system stock vs that overclock?

 

No throttling at this time. As to the vbios, it's ours. A team effort. As to the stock vbios, it's junk. It throttles really bad. And bad coding(or (internal settings) as far as i can tell.

So far the total system is still under 280W, but i'll watch that closer tomorrow.

 

Yeah rare we see other scandinavians on forums like this.

I haven`t owned any Clevo before, only Asus/MSI/Alienware. I highly recommend using GentechPC or XoticPC. Personally I have used Gentech year after year and they are very active on this forum, especially Asus and MSI subforum. Xotic is more active in the Clevo subforum I think.
You cant go wrong with any of them. Superb customer service and they are very friendly.

 

Bad News for everyone.

Titan Black only in Late March. RIP Maxwell.

Titan Black 1 release

790 2 release

Maxwell 3 release

Taking this order into account is... cant say a word...

Also: On the bright side, Non ES 880 is out in the wild, looks gorgeous. A bit different from the pic I talked about earlier, but the changes occurred to the bright side


Edit: Just because it is not an ES, launch cant be too far away

 

How much of a difference was there in GPU score between the stock VBIOS and your 'team VBIOS' at that overclock you ran - did you do a like for like comparison at any given overclock (or even at stock frequencies)? Seems a bit nutty with NVidia releasing it with a hamstrung VBIOS - maybe they're just being really cautious so they don't get RMA's!

 

They are already done making the GTX 880?...

 

This has been with just about every single vbios that came stock on a card. 580m/680m/780m and now the 880m. The difference between all the others before this one is.....It didn't weeks to months to solve the throttling since svl7 and my self both have cards.

I have some comparisons in the alienware forum I think.

 

That's cool, could you post a link to that forum here? I'd be interested to see just how much of a difference there is.

 

Yep, you can already buy it from Upgrade Monkey, but don't think they're sending them out yet. And also, Johnksss is testing one, and some other people have samples that were sent out from Upgrade Monkey to help with their testing.

 

No I was referring to the desktop GTX 880 SinofLiberty talks about. Are they making that one in 28nm? Really?

I couldnt care less about GTX 880M to be honest. It should never have been made in the first place.

 

Ah yes, I missed the fact that you didn't include the 'M' after the 'GTX880'! Yes, you were talking about the desktop version, not the 880M - no prob!

 

Found a fairly in depth review of the 880M on the Tech Inferno site:

Nvidia GTX 880m review

It shows a lot of throttling with the stock VBIOS, so much so it's only as fast as my overclocked 670MX - 6700 GPU points on 3DMark11. When flashed with the modified VBIOS it scored in the 9000's for the GPU score - a big difference! I'm hesitant to conclude that the 6700 points is completely valid for the stock VBIOS though, I just find it hard to believe that NVidia would release a card which is slower than the 780M when using the stock VBIOS! There's something a little screwy with that stock VBIOS result. Overclocked performance looks pretty much the same as the overclocked 780M once a modified VBIOS is flashed to it, but I'm not surprised about that fact!

 

The modified vbios is to kill that nonsense on stock clocks. Which are either 954/1250/993 or 993/1254/993. And allow people to run the card the way it was meant to be ran.

 

Got a glance on the card, not on the GPU. (likely 28nm)

But from the performance numbers, I can assure everyone here, GTX 880 is a worthy successor to GTX 780.

PS: Got fps benchmarks shown to me as well, not just 3DMARK and other fluff of the same sort. Keep in mind, the driver being used while benchmarking is not fully mature as opposed to 780`s.

 

Yep, the result on the stock VBIOS was even worse than a stock 780M, so I think there was something 'wrong' and unrepresentative about that benchmark run using the stock VBIOS. I'm not saying the author of the article did anything wrong with the install, I'm just thinking that the extremely low result was some kind of strange reaction to the system it was installed in perhaps - the 880M is bound to perform better than the 780M at stock, and that article doesn't show that to be the case.

 

So what about clevo's roadmap, where are the refreshed clevos..

 

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn since its just recycled Kepler at the moment. I'm waiting for the real Maxwell.

 

February is long my friend

 

yes in deed but we need some leaks about the GTX 860M in the W370ST refresh

 

I would like to see GTX 860M as well, but strangely only GT 840M was part of the recent GPU-z update.

Have no idea why

 

Maybe they just don't know what the 860m is.

 

Maybe since the Lenovo Y50 (and its 4GB 860M) are only expected in May.

 

Clevos roadmap announces the 860m for feb 2014 so....

 

Update: From the latest bits and pieces of info, desktop Maxwell will arrive after Titan Black, and 790, which are planned for March(according to rumors from various places).

Oh Well, at least what is coming is well worth the wait.

On mobile side of things, it is a complete Limbo.

 

Old news?

Nvidia GTX 750 & 750 Ti Bechmarks

 

News!

NVIDIA Maxwell GM107 GPU pictured and detailed | VideoCardz.com

28nm - as expected.

 

Maxwell is just Kepler all over again?

"is a hybrid between GK107 and GK106"

Will there be anything different in the architecture when 20nm is released?

 

The 20 nm version will be known as Maxwell 1.1 architecture.

 

I personally don't think that Maxwell will be anything like the Kepler architecture, so I disagree with that article where they say that Maxwell is a Kepler refresh. I think they're going to redesign the cores (redefine what a core is), and then there's the ARM CPU & unified memory that will appear on the higher end chips.

EDIT: comparing GK106 (960 cores) against GM107 (also 960 cores), GM107 is only 70% the die size of GK106, so I think they've changed the architecture of Maxwell to make the cores 'simpler' & smaller (even though it's on the same process, so less transistors per core). So, in my mind Maxwell is nothing like Kepler.

 

The author speculates that it is a Kepler because it share many similarities like Cores/SMX, same memory bus as GK107 etc. You either have Maxwell or you don`t. There isnt something in between. So GM107 is Maxwell, a brand new architecture. Not Kepler.

Lately several sites have mentioned that Maxwell is extremely power efficient. GTX 750 Ti supposedly have a TDP of 75W. Compare that to GTX 650 Ti which have TDP of 115W. That is a reduction of 35%.

Plus the fact that they managed to squeeze in 960 cores on a die that is 156mm^2 while a full GK106 with the same core count is 221mm^2 means its a completely different architecture.

 

Agreed. I think the reviewer is tossing in some of his own speculation, and it's wrong. As Rob described to me earlier, we should see a substantial increase in performance from Kepler to Maxwell. The question still remains: When in the world are we going to see it?! I'm tired of waiting, NVIDIA. Just because AMD is slacking, doesn't mean you need to. Get ahead of the curve!

 

You've nailed it. Hopefully we see Maxwell mobile in Computex, since I have given up any hope that it will come before that.

For that (221mm^2 vs. 155mm^2) increase in area, we should get 1.4x the shaders (221/156 = 1.41667). In the Top end 800M card, that is about 2150 shaders. A number like 2048 is more likely though.

 

so maxwell is less powerful (per core) than kepler is ? but less power-hungry too ? i'm kinda lost, what can we expect from this arch if the process still is 28nm ?

 

I think it's safe to say now that 20nm will be the real game-changer. Attempting to save what little moolah I have up for that time when the MXM version becomes available.

 

Those two are related you see
Theoretically they can add more cores while still being on the same 28nm. Maxwell on 28nm is a way to squeeze out more money while binning 20nm wafers for the real deal.

Yeah I`m not upgrading to Maxwell until 20nm is here. Sure they can maybe push out a 19xx core GPU for us mobile users, but why bother when 20nm is right around the corner. Meh, I can wait a little longer than buy a GPU thats only like 20% better or whatever it will be.

 

Hi J.Dre, I think you might be referring to me when you say 'Rob', but not 100%. Going from 28nm Kepler to 20nm Maxwell will be a big performance increase, so I've said that in the past, but going from 28nm Kepler to 28nm Maxwell wouldn't be a massive improvement in performance. Who knows, maybe 10 or 15% if we're lucky I would pure guesstimate on any potential performance increase from 28nm Kepler to 28nm Maxwell. Going from 28nm Kepler to 20nm Maxwell, then we can expect 100% increase in performance at some point down the line.

 

28nm Maxwell will not be coming to laptops, except for maybe low-end garbage cards. That's my prediction.

 

I do not disagree with this. There are good chances our mobile Maxwell`s could all be 20nm.
A thing to remember is that the latest GPU-z update revealed 2 Maxwell chips.
GM107 which is GTX 750 and GTX 750 Ti.
GM108 which is GT 840M.

Who knows, maybe there is a reason why they have two different chips and the GPU thats alone with its own chip is in the 800 series.
Its also impossible to find any leaks or information about GT 840M.

 

Yeah, I meant you, lol. I wrote "Robbo" on my iPhone but it kept changing it to "Robot", so I just said, "Rob." Hope that's okay.

And yeah, I agree. I was making my statement based on the fact that I don't believe releasing the 880M (a rebrand), then Maxwell the same year and it not being 20nm, makes any sense whatsoever. In other words, I think Maxwell will be 20nm.

 

I know, but I have a bad feeling that this will end badly for consumers like us. 880M will probably be 28nm, 885M/880MX/890M/whatever will be 20nm, and be released in Computex. 880M will probably come in February/March and troll poorly informed people into upgrading (I HAZ 8GEBEZ OF VRAMM!!!!).

 

Haha, that's fine, my name's Rob, so that's cool! Ah, I see what you were getting at now. Yes, I think I agree with that, I think the next highend offering (bar the 880M rebrand) will be 20nm too - so yeah, we should hopefully see a big performance improvement with that one when it comes out!

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/asu...w-asus-rog-g56jr-coming-soon.html#post9558228
The new ASUS ROG 15" are gonna be announced soon as far as i can see here

 

GT 840M. GTX 850M, GTX 860M, GTX 870M and GTX 880M listed in the newest Asus driver.

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