Cyberpunk 2077 chat thread.

The Wikipedia entry said that Cyberpunk 2077 was nearly complete mid-2019 and only polishing remained, but also notes Nvidia partnered after that in June 2019 to bolt on Nvidia's RTX BS.

Perhaps integrating Nvidia's RTX BS is what screwed up the release schedule, and caused the delay?

" The content was nearly complete in mid-2019, with the rest of development focused largely on polishing"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberpunk_2077

"... which was around 450 by June 2019,[59] when CD Projekt Red partnered with Nvidia to achieve ray tracing in real time..."

Cyberpunk 2077: NVIDIA Partnership Brings Ray Tracing To Hugely-Anticipated Game
By Andrew Burnes on June 11, 2019
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/cyberpunk-2077-nvidia-partnership-ray-tracing/

Nvidia couldn't leave well enough alone - Cyberpunk 2077 was "nearly complete" with almost a year left to polish it before the April 16th 2020 release.

Now we gotta wait for Nvidia's RTX BS - FPS reducing screw-up's - to be integrated into the game - delaying Cyberpunk 2077 almost 6 months?

 

I feel the same way, I'd rather them be happy with it than release it before it's ready. They haven't let me down yet.

 

I jinxed it the moment I preordered it.

 

Surely you aren't suggesting that CDPR would delay a guaranteed blockbuster that has nearly 160,000,000 console fans as potential buyers, just so the comparatively minuscule RTX 20 series crew can have ray-tracing effects.

Such notions would be madness.

 

Ampere will probably be out by the time this releases.

 

Yes, it's the easy target and not at all the turmoil that has been brewing in and around CDPR for the last 5+ years.

 

Hang in there buddy!
I also need to try not to die until September

 

Cyberpunk 2077's release is now close enough to the new PS5 and Xbox Console releases CD Projekt Red might as well make Cyberpunk 2077 a Console release title

10 Things The Witcher 3 Taught Cyberpunk 2077 - CYBERPUNK 2077 GAMEPLAY
Jan 18, 2020
Eurogamer
CD Projekt Red learnt a lot from making The Witcher 3, and wouldn't you know it, a bunch of those lessons have been applied to their newest RPG Cyberpunk 2077. This video is full of all the wisdom CD Projekt Red's developers applied to the creation of Cyberpunk 2077, using The Witcher 3 as a comparison to show how their approach has changed. Watch for a ton of Cyberpunk 2077 gameplay and remember, it's toss a coin *to* your witcher, not *at* your witcher.

 

As long as it's released prior to 2077 we are ahead of schedule.

 

I agree.. I haven't even installed RDR2 I bought over the holidays, I've got PLENTY of games to keep me busy. I'll also need a little time with Doom Eternal and Doom 64. In a way I'm somewhat glad they delayed it.

 

https://www.altchar.com/game-news/c...t-gen-consoles-new-source-claims-aRRcH8e4RHYT

Speaking in a podcast, which you can watch below, Niespielak says that the original Xbox One console is not powerful enough to run the game properly and apparently, Cyberpunk 2077 performance on the console is "extremely unsatisfactory".

Borys' sources confirmed that if "this problem with Xbox has not been solved by January 2020, the release date must be postponed."​

 

Remind me, but why is this game so anticipated?

 

Impossible. The delay is solely a result of NVIDIA forming a partnership with CDPR to push ray tracing. Why? Because Wikipedia told me so.

 

tl;dr
1. CD Projekt RED
2. Cyberpunk
-----
Long answer

1. CD Projekt RED of Witcher series fame. They have consistently grown and morphed into the powerhouse studio that birthed Witcher 3 onto the world. The open-world RPG that raised the bar for story/character based open world action RPG games. Witcher 3 significantly raised the bar in multiple ways that further AAA games in the genre will need to stand up to. I grey market imported the first Witcher game from an EU store before it was available in the US.. yeah I was thank psyched for this series. CDPR is an extremely customer focused developer giving away free enhancements and creating REAL SUBSTANTIAL expansions, none of that nickel and dime you to death BS everyone else is doing. So that's one reason.

2. Cyberpunk. Maybe this is just a small fraction of us, but those of us that love that genre of sci-fi (and are old enough to have been there from the early days.. *cough* i'm old *cough*), and had movies like Blade Runner forming their taste at an early age (I think I was 11-12), legendary books by authors like William Gibson and Neil Stephenson, and played the pen-and-paper RPG the game is based on that the legendary Mike Pondsmith created, have been waiting for a proper video game in this world setting. The fact that Mike is directly involved with guiding it and CDPR is building it is probably the best-case scenario that could have happened.

If you have to ask why it's so anticipated there's a chance either you just didn't like the CDPR Witcher series and are trolling to pounce on someone singing it's praises or you don't know about the history of the Cyberpunk RPG universe or Cyberpunk genre media in general.

 

System parity.

...same reason why Witcher 3 was visually downgraded.

 

FTFY

 

Damn right!

Wikipedia had the dates and timeline facts. I put together the facts to propose possible reasons for the delay, which are far more believable than delaying all Cyberpunk 2077 platform releases 6 months due to slowness on the Xbox??, Pffft!! Right.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/cyberpunk-2077-chat-thread.818861/page-21#post-10984077

Don't forget about Keanu's part adding to the delay!
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/cyberpunk-2077-chat-thread.818861/page-20#post-10984037

Historically Nvidia slowed down the release of the Witcher 3 too with that Hairworks crap, now we have history repeating itself! Nvidia comes in at the last minute and crams in their RTX / Hairworks crap screwing up performance and delaying release.

Yeah, that's a bunch of BS. Why delay all the product versions due to one console's poor performance, and why didn't they see this coming a year before in June 2019 when they were "done except for polishing" - they already screwed up like this once before with Witcher 3!

I don't believe it's as simple as a single stupid decision like that, it's a combination of crap not ready leading to the decision to not ship.

Singling out the Xbox poor performance is a slick way to excuse their 6 month delay, but I'm not buying it as the single reason to delay for 6 more months.

You guys believe what you want to believe, and I'll do the same.

 

All I know is I'm pretty bummed, I think the last time I was this amped up for a game to come out was on the lead up to Half-life: Yes, the original. I'm not saying it's like the dog died but I'm most def feeling a bit of burn over it.

 

Call it appeal to authority, but I think I'll believe someone who has developed multiple, award-winning AAA games over some random scrub on the Internet quoting Wikipedia.

https://twitter.com/corybarlog/status/1219996709368913922

Hope it doesn't turn out like Shenmue 3.

 

God of War Dev Defends Cyberpunk 2077 After Rumors That Delay Was Due To Poor Xbox One Performance
Jan 23, 2020
YongYea
SOURCE 1: https://www.altchar.com/game-news/cyb...
SOURCE 2: http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/0...
SOURCE 3: https://twitter.com/corybarlog/status...
SOURCE 4: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...


What these developers are describing is the final integration of the code into the final form - that happens long before release, before "the game is essentially done except for polishing". They are not describing the situation that CD Projekt Red is describing.

Cyberpunk 2077 as they describe their situation is long past final integration and is into the final stages of polishing and bug fixing. This is not the time to do or re-do optimization. Someone(s) screwed up and ignored a critical performance problem long past when it should have been dealt with.

6 months to fix 8(?) years worth of development time and effort seems inadequate for an elegant solution ending up with a fully debugged game.

If they need to cut features - eye candy - then that's gone from every platform. Unlike cutting content and saving it for DLC later, this kind of cutting has a good chance of ruining the visuals.

Although we may never know it, comparison of the final game scenes against demo's seen so far will likely be telling.

" Cory Barlog @corybarlog
"EVERY game runs badly until you optimize for the hardware in the final push before gold."

And that's how you guarantee failure in software development. That's how you end up cutting and chopping away in panic at the last minute, and that's an excellent example of "how not to do it".

Before you start development the performance is built in by the design, and you test performance on the hardware platforms - if you have them, or emulate / simulate until you do - and that's how you find out the limitations before getting started with the design. You have to do this to make the guidelines for the development from the beginning.

You need to know what you can do before you do it. It's that simple.

You don't "optimize for performance" at the end, you build the expected performance in from the start.

If you don't get control from the beginning and keep control of development pushing past the capabilities of the hardware constantly throughout development, you can count on this kind of disaster at the end of development.

The purpose of the process is to ensure such stupid mistakes are avoided and disasters are averted before they get a chance to be built in to the development.
That is what project managers and project leads are supposed to provide and maintain during development.

You do code reviews and performance evaluations all along during the development - so you can identify problems before you go too far and have to toss out vast swaths of valuable time and start over.

It is true that you plan for increasing resources to put in to the anticipated polishing - rapidly killing bugs found in testing - but if you are *still* having performance problems when you are polishing you've designed it wrong from the beginning.

And, in the case of CD Projekt Red, after having already screwed up like this last time with Witcher 3, needing to cut out content and features across all of the implementations to bring consistency to the experience based on the lowest performing platform, they should have done everything they needed to avoid falling into it again.

It is not normal to do what CD Projekt Red did for Witcher 3 and I hope they aren't pulling the same crap this time too, even though it sure seems like it is playing out the same way once again. If they do cut content and features to run well on Xbox and all the versions suffer, hopefully they will make up for it with DLC down the road, like they did with Witcher 3.

Cory knows better, or he should, and he should know better than to say something so clueless publicly.

CD Projekt Red had all versions of the Consoles for years during development, there was no mystery as to what the hardware could do - they ran on it every day - and night - so IDK what's really delaying Cyberpunk 2077, but if it simply comes down to repeated stupidity and poor management, then so be it.

As for the Cyberpunk 2077 sold on September 17th on PC; I'll likely watch and see how it goes with early buyers before getting my own copy. And, I recommend everyone else wait and see before putting down their hard earned money. As always, no pre-orders.

Andres @Sauztriaco
Replying to @corybarlog
"@CDPROJEKTRED should skip current console generation all together
and focus to release their game on next gen hardware. A game this massive will run and look pretty bad on a dying console gen. Don't know why they do it, next gen consoles will be incredibly powerful!"
https://twitter.com/Sauztriaco/status/1220095642686541824

I think that is a great idea, but unfortunately Microsoft has committed to not delivering games exclusive to their new Xbox Series X console - and won't leave their current generation console without new games. So @CDPROJEKTRED is gonna need to step up and make it happen on old and new consoles as advertised and as everyone expects.

https://twitter.com/Axozombie/status/1219998326751408132

 

Good to see the game delayed, less bugs to deal with is a good thing, sad to see some people still coming up with some insane conspiracy theories about Nvidia and RTX being the source of delay.

 

First of all, no gamer eagerly anticipating the release of a game is really *happy* that any game is delayed. Certainly no one that has been waiting over these many years is happy that Cyberpunk 2077 is delayed. It's not only not a happy thing - it's a very sad thing for many people that were planning their time around that release - even planning vacation time to enjoy Cyberpunk 2077 as soon as it was scheduled to arrive.

Yes, Nvidia is doing it again - they did the same thing with The Witcher 3 with Hairworks, Nvidia slowed down development and slowed down the FPS of the game for not only AMD GPU's but also for their own GPU's. Now Nvidia are doing it again with their RTX / DLSS BS.

All the games that Nvidia has crammed their RTX BS into have taken longer than expected because of Nvidia shenanigans - with games released without the RTX crap because it wasn't ready in time for the game release. So they either delivered the RTX BS as an update long after release, or gave up on RTX BS completely and never released it at all.

That's why there are so few games that were advertised as releasing with the RTX BS that were actually released with the RTX crap. 20+ games at RTX release were advertised as coming and only 3 of those have ever shown up. More games have canceled RTX support than have shipped with it.

It takes a long time to crunch the various AI Profiles to support DLSS, and as CD Projekt Red have added new content and cut content - just like last time for TW3, Nvidia has to re-run those DLSS profiles up through and past the game release. With Nvidia starting RTX integration in June 2019 Nvidia probably was only recently able to start the DLSS runs.

As I also have said, there are several contributing factors to making Cyberpunk 2077 late, and I've mentioned several of them. And, I dismiss outright the publicly declared reason that the 6 month delay of Cyberpunk 2077 is due to slow performance on Xbox (or PS4) as those consoles were available for most of the main development time, and everybody knows those consoles are slow, and so should have they known this, especially since this is the 2nd time they've used this same BS excuse.

If their unbelievable excuse is true, CF Projekt Red are a poorly run development shop, with poor planning and they lack controls over their code development. If they can't control their games performance during development - knowing the performance limits they are coding to - then this 6 month disastrous delay is exactly what ends up happening.

Considering they used the same lame excuse for the Witcher 3 when they were covering up for Nvidia's Hairworks BS - among who knows what else, it's clear they weren't being completely truthful either time. Giving a single simple BS excuse is much easier than detailing the actual reasons behind the delay.

Of course the original Xbox and PS4 are slow, everyone knows that, and that shouldn't be a surprise to professional game developers in the least, it boggles the mind that they expect us to believe that BS excuse.

 

I tried to tell you guys Nvidia was behind the slow down for the release of Cyberpunk 2077, Nvidia's Co-opted another game to push RTX.

It's all about Nvidia's RTX Crapola...again.

Cyberpunk 2077 @CyberpunkGame 9:00 AM · Feb 16, 2020
Hey @NvidiaGeForce, what do you think about making a limited edition #Cyberpunk2077 GPU?
https://twitter.com/CyberpunkGame/status/1229088062547910656

NVIDIA GeForce @NVIDIAGeForce Replying to @CyberpunkGame
Stay tuned…
https://twitter.com/NVIDIAGeForce/status/1229091206660943873

 

How much more Cyberpunk can you get than Matrix 4? I hope there is a Cyberpunk 2077 tie in with Matrix 4 - DLC?

Update: better quality night video of Keanu and Carrie-Anne Moss astride a "motorcycle":

Keanu filming The Matrix last night
https://www.reddit.com/r/sanfrancisco/comments/f4u460/keanu_filming_the_matrix_last_night/

Matrix 4 Filming, Keanu Reeves and Carrie-Anne Moss on Set
Feb 16, 2020


This one has some good daylight shots - around 03:20

Keanu Reeves Filming of MATRIX 4 in San Francisco, CA
Feb 10, 2020
Ari Zlatin
New set filming Matrix 4 in San Francisco Keanu Reeves Filming in SF, California

 

I don't personally see the relatability of a 2080ti to Cyberpunk 2077's Universe, but I'm sure the winners will be very happy to get their unique Cyberpunk 2077 2080ti Nvidia Founders Edition GPU.

Win a GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Cyberpunk 2077 Edition - LIMITED EDITION GPU not available for sale
Feb 17, 2020
NVIDIA GeForce
This is the GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Cyberpunk 2077 Edition! We’ve partnered closely with our friends at CD PROJEKT RED to create this limited edition graphics card, inspired by the beautiful ray-traced world of Cyberpunk 2077. Follow NVIDIA GeForce on YouTube and social to discover other giveaways and charity auctions of the GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Cyberpunk 2077 Edition. We're providing a few additional cards to spread [RTX propaganda] positivity, reward our fans, and benefit charitable causes.


"We're providing a few additional cards to spread positivity, reward our fans, and benefit charitable causes."

What a bunch of hooey.

Nvidia is really milking their investment in Cyberpunk 2077...and associating relieving the suffering of others through charity as a marketing ploy is despicable.

Please give the poor suffering people the money to end their suffering instead of using them and their predicament as a motivation to sell RTX GPU's. That isn't charity, that is marketing with charity-like features.

Cyberpunk 2077: Deep Dive Video - With Ray Tracing - Captured On GeForce RTX 2080 Ti
Aug 30, 2019
Watch the worldwide reveal of brand new game footage from Cyberpunk 2077, with real-time ray tracing enabled, captured on a GeForce RTX 2080 Ti! This video contains work-in-progress gameplay — everything you see is potentially subject to change. NVIDIA has partnered with CD PROJEKT RED as an official technology partner to bring real-time ray tracing to the game.


Learn more here: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/... Mark your calendars — Cyberpunk 2077, the open-world, action-adventure story from CD PROJEKT RED, is coming to PC April 16th, 2020. Pre-order now: https://www.cyberpunk.net/pre-order

Well, that's not happening...

 

I'm glad, more options.

 

Maybe you missed the finer point's of Nvidia's "Cyberpunk 2077 2080ti" "Special Edition" "Nobody can buy it" "You must enter their silly "sweepstakes" and do the chicken dance to enter to win!!"

Ok everyone, it's that time once again - Nvidia's Marketing Team needs to get their Participation Bell Ringing, signup for the totally unlikely chance of winning a garishly silly "Neon Yellow" 2080ti Founders Edition GPU!! We should only be so lucky...

#RTXOn Sweepstakes Returns: Win An Extremely Rare GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Cyberpunk 2077 Edition GPU
By Andrew Burnes on February 17, 2020
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/cyberpunk-2077-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-gpu/

"...We’ve made just 200 of these Cyberpunk 2077 GPUs, they won’t be sold, but you can ""potentially"" win one (details below).

Each has a custom AL5052 aluminum shroud, with Cyberpunk 2077’s signature yellow styling, and powerful GeForce RTX 2080 Ti hardware underneath. And of course, it comes gift wrapped in a special edition Cyberpunk 2077 box, perfect for a collector’s shelf."

"200 lucky " Chickens that Do the Chicken Dance" will Win!!"

Plus some reserved for shamelessly parading around on charity sites...

Maybe the game sucks? If it didn't suck why wouldn't Nvidia make a bigger deal out of it than a short run of 200?

Come on Nvidia, commit to a run of a 10,000 Cyberpunk 2077 2080ti's at 50% off to promote Cyberpunk 2077, RTX, and the soon to be demise of the Turing line of GPU's? Times a wasting Nvidia, CD Projeck Red isn't gonna delay the release of their game one more time for you!!

Nvidia made 77 to give out in pairs?... #nvidiamath

[NVIDIA] Introducing the GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Cyberpunk 2077 Edition.
Posted by u/Ke1N 16 hours ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkg...introducing_the_geforce_rtx_2080_ti/?sort=new

Introducing the GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Cyberpunk 2077 Edition.
#anotherchickendance
https://twitter.com/NVIDIAGeForce/status/1229450438992285696

Man, check out that thread of chicken dancers, tagging and flagging #RTXON, pathetic.

"We made 77 for our community. Want one? Here's how:
1. RT this video.
2. Tag a gamer who is as excited as you about Cyberpunk 2077 in the replies with #RTXOn
3. If selected, you BOTH win these limited edition GPUs!"

Some lucky pair are each getting 0.5 GPU's

And here I thought it was gonna be tough to find a PC Build with matching "Neon Yellow" to find a home for the "Neon Yellow" 2077 2080ti...

https://twitter.com/Solavade/status/1229599470154764288

 

It's been a long long Cyberpunk way...

Cyberpunk Documentary PART 1 | Neuromancer, Blade Runner, Shadowrun, Akira
Dec 1, 2019
Indigo Gaming
Let’s take a journey back to the 1980’s and beyond, to discover the origins of the Cyberpunk movement, in literature, cinema, television, video games, comics and more! In this documentary miniseries, we will discover the wonders of Cyberpunk, dating back to the 1940’s, all the way through 1989, with each successive episode taking on a new decade.


Part 2, coming soon?

Another treatment, from the Japanese Cultural Cyberpunk realm...

Why Japanese Cyberpunk is Different
Oct 22, 2019
Zeria
Cyberpunk is about to see its biggest work in years, and yet it is inarguably dead. Past the 90s, its anxieties became reality, and its sway has slipped. How did three Japanese cyberpunk series: Akira, Bubblegum Crisis, and Ghost in the Shell treat their subject matters differently than their Western counterparts of the time?


_oe _o_e_ 3 months ago
"In Bubblegum Crisis, they fight boomers" it's like they knew or something...

Derka Derka 3 months ago
"please take down this video. There is no such thing as "Japanese Cyberpunk".

The Cyberpunk genre was invented by William Gibson.

Cyberpunk involves characters who integrate so deeply into technology that the technology becomes part of their character.

Cyberpunk can be from any country. Its all Cyberpunk, there is no such thing a Canadian Cyberpunk, English Cyberpunk, Vietnamese Cyberpunk etc.

Its video is just showing the stupidity of the creator."

And, while we are on that subject...positivity again?

Godfather of Cyberpunk William Gibson Throws Shade at Cyberpunk 2077!
Jun 22, 2018
TheComplainingGamer
William Gibson, author of Neuromancer had some strong words about Cyberpunk 2077!


Cyberpunk Pioneer William Gibson Casually Destroys Cyberpunk 2077, Calls its Aesthetic Generic
Cyberpunk'd
Matt Kim, Updated on 10 June 2018
https://www.usgamer.net/articles/cy...ally-destroys-cyberpunk-2077-it-looks-generic

Winner of the Hugo, Nebula, and Philip K. Dick Awards, Neuromancer is a science fiction masterpiece—a classic that ranks as one of the twentieth century’s most potent visions of the future.

" Case was the sharpest data-thief in the matrix—until he crossed the wrong people and they crippled his nervous system, banishing him from cyberspace. Now a mysterious new employer has recruited him for a last-chance run at an unthinkably powerful artificial intelligence. With a dead man riding shotgun and Molly, a mirror-eyed street-samurai, to watch his back, Case is ready for the adventure that upped the ante on an entire genre of fiction."

Neuromancer was the first fully-realized glimpse of humankind’s digital future—a shocking vision that has challenged our assumptions about technology and ourselves, reinvented the way we speak and think, and forever altered the landscape of our imaginations."
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07Z3N771P


https://twitter.com/GreatDismal/status/1005958197654351872

And, let's not forget the "source lexicon" of Cyberpunk 2077... Cyberpunk 2020

Cyberpunk 2020 vs 2077 brief comparison
Posted by u/Loostreaks Turbo 1 year ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/comments/9oxhic/cyberpunk_2020_vs_2077_brief_comparison/

Cyberpunk 2077 vs Cyberpunk 2020 comparison (what is changed?)
Oct 16, 2018
CINEMATIC GAMING
CINEMATIC GAMING Cyberpunk 2077 Playlist...
Is Cyberpunk 2077 not canon? In this video I tried to answer this question by making a comparison between the original rules of the board game Cyberpunk 2020 and what's been shown in recent Cyberpunk 2077 gameplay demo.

 

I was specifically talking about the RTX features in the game that have been in development for a while.

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

 

Yup, it sure is great that Cyberpunk 2077 development now has 3+4 = 7 more months to make everything including RTX / DLSS work 100% out of the box, Day One.

Instead of waiting for patches to be delivered after the original release date in April...

It's too bad Nvidia didn't see fit to make the 2077 RTX Themed GPU's available for everyone, and also too bad that the RTX 3xxx GPU's won't be available for the release of Cyberpunk 2077.

Hopefully when the 3xxx GPU's release Nvidia can include Free copies of Cyberpunk 2077 along with a couple of other current games when the GPU's release as a promotional offer.

AMD could do that too, I've seen a bunch of people mentioning they'd like AMD to offer a Cyberpunk bundle too. Maybe with new less buggy drivers too?

It will be fun to compare Cyberpunk 2077 RTX features on PC vs Cyberpunk 2077 RTX features on Geforce Now and Stadia ... maybe even Microsoft xCloud?

If Cyberpunk 2077 rocks it like the Witcher 3, those CD Projekt Red guys will be porting the game everywhere for a long long time. Endless Cyberpunk 2077 options for everyone.

 

The RTX cards have been out for 18 months, you don't think this started earlier?

And thinking a card where the entry deadline for winning it is still over a month earlier than the original release date for the game is the reason the game is delayed is pure crazy.

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

 

" I tried to tell you guys Nvidia was behind the slow down for the release of Cyberpunk 2077, Nvidia's Co-opted another game to push RTX.

It's all about Nvidia's RTX Crapola...again."

I doubt it, I think it started when Nvidia offered to help them with the project culminating in the announcement back in June 2019 by Nvidia (posted in this thread), either offering co-op advertising help, co-op development help - perhaps even on site Nvidia people as they've done in the past.

All to make sure that Nvidia GPU's have the best performance results, lock the game into their RTX BS, and thereby associate the games positive karma with Nvidia and their RTX BS.

The announcement only came out in June 2019, and Cyberpunk 2077 wasn't part of Nvidia's original RTX roll-out's before then, even though the Cyberpunk 2077 development has been going on for years before, after, and during RTX's time. Nvidia could have jumped in much earlier. Maybe CDPR was holding out for a better offer?

So I think they started then or soon after slapping on RTX bolt-on's, and then after 6 months - as usual - RTX work was interfering with the regular work and not coming up to speed like the other games with RTX.

The tuning required after putting in the first efforts - leaving out more and more until the RTX features don't drop the FPS too much.

Then the DLSS stuff needed to start being AI'd, and that's likely still going on.

So I don't think at all in the very least bit that RTX isn't interfering with game development, because so many other teams have given up on it - in the midst of getting a game ready for release it takes a real commitment to then shoe-horn in RTX crap.

Without money or other incentives I don't think Nvidia would have even the few games they have running RTX. Without a financial incentive why would game developers tie up desperately needed resources on RTX integration instead of having those same resources improve the actual game?

So no, I don't think slapping a coat of paint and a sticker on the 200 (77?) card limited run slowed down the game, but it does show just how far Nvidia will go for co-op advertising to help out their partners.

Not very far.

The crazy I see is Nvidia and their usual antics, and Cyberpunk 2077 for working with them.

I hope it works out, I was excited about the game long before Nvidia got involved, and to be honest it just makes me sick that Nvidia got involved.

I wish Nvidia had left them alone to do their work and then whether the game would have been on time or late wouldn't matter.

The game would would have been free of Nvidia's RTX BS, and that's the game I was hoping to get - just the game, no Nvidia RTX drama to try to steal the show and screw up their karma.

Nvidia will drop in and stink up the room with their RTX BS if game developers let them. Fortunately most haven't taken the bait.

 

I thought this pre-order was sold out everywhere, but Walmart.com shows it as in stock for $249:

Cyberpunk 2077 Collector's Edition for PC - Games
WB Games Walmart # 578966332 Mature
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Cyberpunk-2077-Collector-s-Edition-for-PC-Games/200887826


If you pre-ordered online (digital copy) double check your "library" - apparently when CDPR delayed the game - changed the "shipping date" - the platforms canceled the pre-orders and refunded - now you need to re-order.

The bad news is some people say they haven't seen the refund, just that Cyberpunk 2077 is now missing from their "library":

r/cyberpunkgame Posted by u/ifherageontheclock 9 hours ago
I’ve pre-ordered Cyberpunk, I know I did. But, for some reason, it disappeared from my library. I went to check the PS store and was met with the price instead of the release countdown. Does anyone know why?
https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkg...ve_preordered_cyberpunk_i_know_i_did_but_for/

OfRivea 9 hours ago
"Pre orders were refunded, Sony sent an email with a link you had to click to keep it. They should've refunded your payment method too."

Jackjakea Arasaka 4 hours ago
"Pre orders were refunded if you did not confirm order after delay. Check your emails you'll find that you missed it"

jaypi8883 9 hours ago
" Microsoft refunded mine. I’m sure Sony did the same after the delay"

zonda2light 2 hours ago
" On xbox I got a refund cuz of the delay, so I re ordered it again"

Pre-order showing for Cyberpunk 2077 instead of the countdown clock:


Another Reddit post about this cancel / no refund problem:

Pre-order suddenly missing
https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/comments/f7zwk6/preorder_suddenly_missing/

 

I've learned my lesson with No Man's Sky. No matter how cool this looks, I'm never ever paying for a pre-order again. I'm proudly sticking to this rule without exceptions.

 

Yup, me too for games only pre-orders.

For collectable items like Cyberpunk 2077, those may be sold out long before the game is released. You have to want the collectables as much or more than the game to pre-order in this case. Even if the game sucks sometimes the collectables are still worth it.

You can even order just the collectables these days as a pre-order on Ebay, so you don't get stuck with the (potentially) sucky game:

Cyberpunk 2077 Collector's Edition PREORDER - STATUE AND BOX ONLY
Condition: Brand New
Price:US $207.70
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cyberpunk-2077-Collectors-Edition-PREORDER-STATUE-AND-BOX-ONLY/254259672681

"Cyberpunk 2077 (Collector's Edition) PREORDER. STATUE AND BOX ONLY
THIS IS FOR THE STATUE AND BOX ONLY. NOTHING ELSE IS INCLUDED.

STATUE AND BOX CIRCLED IN RED.

This is a Preorder."

 

My pre-order remains in my library, I didn't respond to any emails about it.

 

Seems like this is a PS related problem, at least I only read PS users complain about it.

My preorder is still there, intact on GOG.

 

My pre-order remains in my library, I didn't respond to any emails about it.

Mine is on GOG as well.

 

Seems to still be there for me...

 

I found this video on youtube, I'm behind everyone else in knowledge about the game but this video brought me to speed, so without further ado here it is :

 

I think I'm pretty much done watching coverage of it, just awaiting September...

 

LMAO, what a farce this game is.

 

As frustrating as it is for myself (I know, it sounds stupid to be frustrated over a game delay...) it's not the end of the world.
One thing I wish they would stop doing, however, is feed these dates, promise all will be good, and then delay until next time. First it was April, then September, now November.
Just wish they would say something like "we are not sure, looks like release could fall between 2020 Q4 and 2021 Q2, once we will be a couple of months away, we will let you know the exact date."

 

Farce? Are you serious? When have they ever let us down?

 

Development of this game has been a mess, with many reports of mismanagement, sudden changes of design direction, and poor working conditions. But hey, if you enjoy being constantly jerked around, that’s none of my business.


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you both have points....they have made the best games in existance but why are they jerking us around on info.

 

Jeez I may have held out for Ampere if I had known this would be delay after delay. I bit thee bullet on this machine specifically to have the best CP2077 experience in April. I could've held onto my GTX 1070.

Now to wait and see out how hmscott blames Nvidia for this again heh.