Cyberpunk 2077 chat thread.

Maybe they just need more time to think about pulling from steam and moving to epic

 

Why would you buy on any of those when you have GOG?

 

Never trust a software release date, game or otherwise. Actually never trust a release date for anything being built. Building things is wrought with unknowns, unanticipated problems, life events, world events.. etc.. etc..

 

Also never ever pre-purchase anything. Crowdfunding game development is just a bad idea and it's very easy for greed to take over the devs just change the mindset from making to a good game to milking gullible people for money. (*cough* star citizen *cough*).

 

That's not their thing.

I still won't be surprised if current consoles are dropped since CDPR has stretched this out to around the next console launch window.

 

This type of thing happens in many software engineering projects and companies, games or otherwise. I'm an engineer, older, and been in the field for 25 years.. I can't count on one hand how many times I've worked 70 to 80+ hrs a week average (including vacations) for over a year and a half straight, stayed up 35 hours straight during a launch, been on-call for extended periods of time, etc.. and I'm not a game developer. That's not even to speak of still difficult but many lesser extent situations than the extreme ones I just noted. I don't think games are any different. I eventually found a company with great work-life balance but even then when the product is expected to be alive 24 hours a day there's sacrifices you have to make. Happens, but we try hard to negate it as much as possible and compensate people for time spent or tag them out for replacements if things get bad multiple times in the same small period or extended issues. We try hard to not let those things happen as best we can, people still end up burning out, it's not perfect unfortunately.

No inudstry is immune to this. People trying to work overtime, truck drivers driving many hours straight to get to detinations as fast as possible. Warehouse / assembly line workers overworked.. etc.. goes on and on...

I'm not making excuses for CDPR or the countless other teams building software products on deadlines, but it's unfortunately very common in general.

What I was talking about was how CDPR treats it's customers that are buying their games in relation to a lot of other microtransaction slot-machine happy games, or out of whack DLC value propositions. Bugs that never get fixed. Enhanced-editions that you just get a "Discount" for for owning the original game. (Things like Baldur's Gate EE 15 years after the fact don't count.. Dark Souls looking at you..)

It's never perfect. If they are guilty of the typical AAA GOTY run at burning people out during crunch they should try to fix that. If it's just become that you have to do that to even make it possible with game budgets what they are today then the entire workforce in general needs a reckoning.

 

Dropping the the current gen consoles would be the dream scenario. The OG Xbox One in particular is a damn anchor around the neck of game development in 2020. The sooner we leave that Radeon 7770~7790 equivalent behind the better.

Unfortunately that would also mean dropping 150 million potential customers, and shareholders aren't going for that.

Plus, CDPR has already said the new-gen consoles will be getting day one patches to run the game much better, and a significantly upgraded version for free in 2021.

I expect the PC version to get the same patch, in some kind of Definitive Edition, or some such.

 

And it's your viewing of the company with rose-colored glasses that is blinding you to the absolute train wreck this game has been over the last 8 years. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. This could be another Shenmue 3 in the making.

 

Of course I hope it's good. If it isn't I'm not going to be super broken up about it. Sure, disappointed that they finally let us down as consumers, but I don't need to "prepare for the worst". There's countless other games I can play.

We're not talking Star Citizen here.. lol

 

Yeah, me too.
I really hope it will deliver, as up to this point their games only got better and better, but you may never know, so I will let the judgment of how good or bad this game is once it (finally) releases.

 

Agreed. The only thing you can do is wait for the final product. If it's rubbish I'll definitely be the first to call it such.

 

The deceptive marketing surrounding the Witcher 3 downgrade and playing coy until they could no longer deny it.

He was banned a while ago.

 

Everyone brings up the "downgrade" when they lose the forest for the trees that it was still a STELLAR game that redefined open world RPGs. I honestly knew nothing about the "downgrade" until later after I had been half way through the game and was like ..eh... this is a great game why are people so enraged about this? People just like to be enraged about things it seems.

Again, maybe I can be empathetic towards that knowing that they had to make some technical sacrifices to make an actually optimized playable game vs what they showed early on without a lot of logic and mechanics in place. I'm sure they learned from that from a marketing perspective.

Creating these games is IMMENSELY complicated with complex systems interacting and tons of branching logic. One small thing can throw the whole balance or sequence of events into unintended states. No one seems to use any perspective and just likes to knee-jerk react to something.


EDIT:: .. wait, why did that person get banned what happened?

 

Haha
This reminds me of Ubisofts "watchdogs"

 

There is no doubt this game will be good..u guys talk about it like it's an exception to game development norms..all games created have a dynamic process

 

If this was any other developer there would be a lynch mob out looking for heads to roll.

 

A lot of PC gamers issue with the Witcher 3 "downgrade", was that PCs could have handled the graphic fidelity from the original trailers no problem, yet CDPR stripped it out to maintain parity with the console versions, to keep console players happy.

 

Judging by this thread, I think lynch mobs are doing just fine.

 

wrong thread sorry

 

It looks amazing and I really do hope it will be that awesome when it comes out. It's clear they're working hard on marketing and hype (just got a random email today about a Cyberpunk2077 edition gaming chair... not spam, I like SecretLab), I just hope it'll live up to it all.

Historically good marketing, cool gameplay trailers often are very far from the product at release. I do hope it won't be the case here but having learnt my lesson with No Man's Sky, for now I'm staying away from the pre-purchase button.

 

I dont know I hope it's not another andromeda.. seems like its similar to deus ex human revolution...but then again this is cd projekt red and im sure it will blow us away

 

Funny you should say that, I'm going through Mankind Divided as we speak. Replayed Human Revolution too before this.
In these games I'm usually very thorough but I am still finding new hidy holes and new quests. Also I didn't get to play one of the DLCs, so I have that to look fw to when I get to the end again. Speaking of Deus Ex, isn't it about time for a new one? It's been 4 years since Mankind Divided came out.

 

Given that MD's sales were not up to Square Enix's expectations (those wounds were almost entirely self-inflicted), I'd say a new game in the franchise is highly unlikely at this point, regardless of what Eidos Montreal says. Did you ever play The Fall? While it was rightfully excoriated upon release for being a quick cash-in of a mobile game, the developers actually did fix most of the problems, the main one of which was the inability to rebind controls. I would say it's now a very worthy addition to the series, especially when it goes on sale, which happens fairly often. It's $2 on Steam as of this post.

 

Well poopies! I had not known this. Looks like they decided to focus on Tomb Raider and some Marvel thing. At least that's what google tells me. Sad news, I almost wish I kept the hope alive and not asked

If I had to choose one game series and one alone, it would be Deus Ex. I actually stopped for a second here to make sure I'm not making a mistake. Half Life (1 & 2) ended up 2nd place just because Episode 1 and 2 didn't impress me that much, and because they chose to stop developing it further...

Now I really hope Cyberpunk will live up to the hype.

 

Cyberpunk 2077 Preview Ran at 1080p with DLSS 2.0 Enabled on an RTX 2080Ti Powered PC

Yikes.

 

episode 1 and 2 were amazing it was not a typical.....half life 2 and the expansions are the best games ever made period..opinions aside

 

yikes is all i can say also i sure hope it doesnt get capped at 1080p high with a 2080ti.

that is almost as demanding as crysis was back in 2007

 

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/73566/cyberpunk-2077-is-directx-12-exclusive-for-the-pc/index.html

Well, all of those pretty graphics are a DirectX 12 exclusive -- with PC gamers requiring Windows 10 for the most part, but will work with Windows 7 and its implementation of DX12. The reason? Marcin Gollent, Lead Graphics Programmer at CD PROJEKT RED says it's because of ray tracing.

During a recent interview with PC Games Hardware, Gollent said: "Thanks to the introduction of DX12 support for Windows 7 SP1 that Microsoft introduced last year, the game will run on this system. We do, and will continue to, test Cyberpunk 2077 on Windows 7 in an attempt to iron out any edge-cases that might arise. Unfortunately, Windows 8 didn't receive its variant of DX12 libraries".​

 

Well if you run Windows 8 you deserve to be punished, no?

 

Yeah everybody dropped Windows 8 like a hot potato when Windows 10 came out. Because the people that liked 8 moved to 10, while the people that liked 7 stayed on 7.

 

True, there's really no excuse to run Win 8 over Win 10.

 

Well there is. More user control over updates and less telemetry for starters, and better stability/fewer bugs, but I doubt you'd care.

 

This genuinely made me chuckle. Sorry, but it's non-sense. On a decent machine, windows 10 will run much better and with a little research you can control all the telemetry and updates should you choose to. There really is no valid reason to run windows 8 over 10.

 

Sorry, but it isn't, and I'm speaking from personal experience. I probably have a much more stripped down W10 install than you. And controlling the updates is far more difficult than it is in W8 and prior OSes, and involves using 3rd party tools or hacking the registry.

 

Shed your fear. Embrace the updates!


On a slightly more serious note, is there a real reason to go to those lengths to disable updates, some of which do patch vulnerabilities and bring improvements? I don't mean to step in the tin-foil hat area and I do agree with the telemetry, not cool on microsoft part but that's easily disabled.

 

Demanding or poorly optimised? If it brought a visual revolution like crysis did then maybe its justified but the graphics in the trailer don't look that stunning to me. And trailers should showcase the best of what the game has to offer.

I'm more excited for horizon zero dawn. They've just announced the release date to be August 7th and released a trailer for the PC version. I made a thread about it. http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/horizon-zero-dawn-pc-thread.833505/#post-11029717

 

No.

My GT72 came with 8.1 and though I'm not using it now, I preordered CP77 while it was still working. I'd of been mad, especially since 7 got dx12 too.

If I've learned anything since getting my G14, it's that avoiding W10 was the most right thing about PCs that I've ever been right on. Control is near impossible ...especially if you want things to upgrade to get to 2004 for dx12u.

 

why are you guys anti updates...sometimes opinions need facts to back them

I have 0 issues with windows ten after shutup10 and eso disabling all the crap takes like 2 seconds

 

It's a PITA.

...that's what the "P" in PCs stands for now. P.C. = PITA Computers.

..."personal" certainly doesn't apply anymore.

 

yeah i have to tweak the crap outta mine

 

Thats the thing...., EVERYONE TOGETHER NOW, YES..., THERE IS A REASON. Windows updates can most easily destroy a perfectly working gaming system that is tweaked to perfection to non repair.

Its like all the manufacters who put out all this BGA garbage of PC's to eek out a few extra minutes of battery life are in cohoots with microsoft on how to make the most inferior product that is humanly possible. Then they market this crap out to the public how they added all this other garbage to the system to make it run better. But you know what? Garbage is Garbage, Garbage doesnt magiaclly become something useful and as such this BGA thin and light gaming crap doesnt just magically not become something that is worthless either.

 

...and most likely they have a huge list of users who they specifically target with their evil updates to mess their finely tuned systems up. I see what you mean.

Luckily I'm not on that list so far... running just some simple telemetry disabler which took about 1 min to set up and nothing else. My windows 10 has been running happily (with updates) ever since I got this gaming machine.

 

lol... yeah I have a thin and light gaming laptop and its the way to go...I have temps around 60c-70c while gaming on my gs63vr 8re. updates you say? My system is tweaked beyond belief but it only took 5 minutes to do so.. normally this laptop gets 3 hours battery life now i get 6 and a half.. when im gaming it sits on a desk and when i want to read from scribd or watch a movie on the couch I do so..

Update I heard microsoft is giving out tinfoil hats as compensation for their evil updates that mess with computers...apparently its being done by the reptilian species of aliens that are trying to use social programming to take over the world....luckily the tin foil hats prevent this.

 

Updates? No need for placebos here. Or a tinfoil hat. I just say no. Only one installed since 2018 is a .Net 4.8 patch (KB4486153). The Adobe update filth is much harder to control. The Abode cancer keeps re-enabling itself even though I kill all of the Adobe crap in Task Scheduler, Services, and with Autoruns.

 

How about that Cyberpunk 2077 game, eh?

 

Right now I am trying to determine if it is a unicorn or a leprechaun.

 

lol we all vered so off topic including myself....I was just trying to make you laugh was not a personal attack and yes you seem to have one of the best installs and man your knowledge of computers is insane.

back on topic.

they are advertising the heck out of cyberpunk 2077, have you guys seen the trailers it looks alright but not quite as good looking as rdr 2 or the witcher 3 it kinda looks like the characters are made out of plastic not skin

 

Yes, I have noticed. In fact, even DOOM Eternal graphics look much better to me than the Cyberpunk trailers do. As you say, looks nice but not extraordinary... especially in light of all of the hype.

 

The graphics look great, that's just a given. I'm more interested in the game play and story myself.