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    Diablo 3 Gameplay/Performance Impressions (NO SPOILERS ALLOWED)

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by MagusDraco, May 15, 2012.

  1. F34R

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    That's terrible for me!! lol. I can do act2... lol
     
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    If you can't do A2 or A3, I would suggest you to do A1 Warden to Butcher. And if you can't do that, do SK runs to Warden, I guess.
     
  3. F34R

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    My barb can kill Ghom, my monk is a chore to do it. I got my monk to Ghom, but need a better strategy compared to my barb lol. My barb has lower res, lower damage, and is slower like a slug... yet he can just stand there and kill Ghom in 2 mins without using a pot lol. If I can get my barb to hit as fast as my monk, I'd have a winner lol.
     
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    Dunno how you guys can keep playing d3. I got bored rather quickly.
     
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    Hi, can anyone tell me what kind of performance I will get on the retina macbook pro?
    I have the one with 2.6ghz and 8Gb RAM. Thanks
     
  6. electrosoft

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    I beat the game on Inferno solo with my pretty poorly geared dual wielding Monk. I think I have 25k dps (Both weapons under 1k. One is a blue), ~940 LoH, 50k health and ~800 resists. Took me 2 tries to to kill Diablo. I just accepted the fact I was going to have to kite, kite and kite some more. I spent ~4 million gold total on the AH I farmed myself and a few items that sold for ~500k/ea.

    Both my buddies who have long beat the game with their WD and DH's wondered why I stuck with my Monk versus easy mode and refusing to spend real money and just banged my head against the wall, but it made me a better player and they gave me props for doing it.

    157 hours played total. Paragon level 5 (!). Fun stuff, though, but the idea of just playing the game and farming over and over doesn't call me. I'll do Act 3 runs from time to time, but MoP is right around the corner. :)
     
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    Performance is ok. I have the 2.7/16/768gb model now, and at 1440x900, it is decent. Things definitely slow down at native resolution. Playable, but not fluid 100% with everything to max. The UI, just like in WoW @ native resolution, is REAL small. They need native functions to scale cursor and UI size.
     
  8. Nessaja

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    Howdy folks. I'm curious if anyone have stable fps when there's sheet on the screen. Because I can barely play with my friends on A3 when I have <15fps once hell breaks lose. My setup is the one in the sig. I've tried most "low fps fixes" currently floating around the bnet forums but to no avail. Low or High, it makes no difference... even TERA runs with ease.
     
  9. GeoCake

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    I get slowdowns to almost 15 FPS, maybe even lower when I keep sacrificing my dogs over and over in a 4 man party, so it's the servers also.

    Personally what makes me come back to the game is looting approx 2 legends a day (for the past 5 days now).. some good, some amazing. Just sold a set barb belt for 55mil, found a set mojo which sold for 7mil, found a mediocre Vile Ward, etc. Today I've found one so far - Burning Axe of something, 1 more left to fill the quota. Plus the new patch allows for so many varied builds, I switch almost everyday so that I don't get bored. Plus we do goblin runs wherein all team members wear puzzle rings and we kill around 20-30 goblins during a standard Cydea/Azmo run.

    I splashed around 80mil on some new set rings, check my profile: Geo - Community - Diablo III So with an attack speed of 1, I'm at 120k unbuffed. :D
     
  10. F34R

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    THanks for the reply. I appreciate the info.
     
  11. F34R

    F34R Notebook Consultant

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    Here's a video, along with the profile link in the description.

     
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  12. GeoCake

    GeoCake http://ted.ph

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    You've motivated me to do my own version, lol. First attempt, for the lulz.

     
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    wha THA!!!! Holy S*iT!! I WISH I could do that. That was pretty impressive.
     
  14. GeoCake

    GeoCake http://ted.ph

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    Speed killing all Act 3 bosses:



    Can't wait for PvP ;o
     
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    jinda Notebook Evangelist

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    Lol Geo that's insane! When will it be my time hehe?!
    I'm getting there, slowly. I'm @ 200k+ dps right now. Not getting lucky with loots though :(
     
  16. F34R

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    I passed out watching the video. OMG.
     
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    Looks fun! I'll prepare my DW Demon Hunter once I get to Act.3 Inferno soon (solo). Currently at 161 K DPS and enjoying act.2 inferno :)

    I'm planning to prep to 180-200K DPS once at Act.3.
     
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    Yeah, that was pretty brutal lol.

    My Monk is slowly limping along after beating the game. His gear is trash, but scored an ok Skorn after selling a str/cc/cd ring for 10 mil, so I've been playing around with that with an already in place crit build. DPS went from 25k to 44k with a weapon swap but no LoH with sub 60k dps and no ls has its limits at this point. Seeing how much faster mobs die going from 25k->44k makes me realize 100k+ dps Monks must be insane.

    Looking for stuff to do besides farm endlessly and work solely on my gear. I prefer objectives that happen to farm as an added bonus. Formed the staff, ran Whimsyshire a few times. Now collecting the "LOST" pages and looking for other unique/new stuff to do when I get a chance to play.
     
  19. Attacus

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    This is absolutely insane, complete game breaker lmao. Makes me want to level up a WD
     
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    I dun think it is the class the matters, it is DPS that matters :).
     
  21. thief1958

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    More DPS, more ... :)


    Diablo III 2012-09-16 01-29-05-18.jpg
     
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    Did someone say DPS?



    Still have a lot left to upgrade.. but I probably have a better chance to loot the gear for myself now. xD

    It's gear that matters, when any class has insane gear, it becomes just that, op beyond belief. DPS is a fake number half of the time though. It is irrelevant to me as my spells do whatever % of my weapon dmg.

    Inferno is being nerfed by enemies doing 25% less damage BUT the Diablo II ”players X” option is returning with benefits such as better loot. ;P

    Every class is capable of this, just needs gear that costs 500mil - 1bil gold. :p
     
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    I was suppose to buy something that cost around 550 M gold, ..but one of my transaction got screwed up; No gold arrived but charged already. Submitted a ticket.

    All my transaction was fine 'till this last one. Still, the game is great, and even customer support was helpful to me before, ..until this newest issue I had.

    Another 40-50K more DPS, some armor, some resist and I'll be very, very happy soloing Act. 3-4 Inferno. ... we'll see.
     
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    Geo, please please post some videos or something lol. Your profile link, etc., so that I can learn a bit more about these things regarding gear.
     
  25. thief1958

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    ...the same stuff were I purchased gold from RMAH a few days ago, ..like this 2 shoulder armor I bought for 11 M and the other for 2.75 M, auctioned it last night, now it's sold on my Gold Auction House for the same price.. The Auction House seem active..
     
  26. jinda

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    1.0.5 PTR Notes

    Sorry for the format, I just copy/paste it.

    Enjoy!

    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6572970237

    Edit: Apparently, additional nerf for Wizards (Energy Twister/Storm Chaser Rune) are added after I paste this content.

     
  27. F34R

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    I know it's nothing new, but I thought I'd share!!



    It's the first time the wife and I killed Diablo in Inferno!! I was pleased a LOT!
     
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    Nice patch notes. Slowly but surely it's shaping up nicely.
     
  29. thief1958

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    I've just finished Act.4 Inferno solo :D I did use RMAH to purchase gold so I could buy gear. I've been buying, but been selling too. The Auction House is really alot of fun!

    By the way here are my gear and stats. D3 is an awesome game. I think it's going to stay in my laptop for years, which means I'll be looting for years and enjoying at the same time. I already realized which one sells quickly in millions worth..

    70344359.jpg
     
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    Are people still playing this game?
     
  31. baii

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    Yes, my bro still playing it cause he got time. It feel like D2 + build in d2jsp now minus building new char. And it is mob killing vs boss killing.
     
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    Dbl post zzzz
     
  33. bubzers

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    I still play it, once every week or two. Just got to Act 4 Normal :what: - taking my time and enjoying it.

    Sent from my Nexus One using Tapatalk
     
  34. F34R

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    yes. The prices of decent gear is freakin' unbelievably stupid at this point. Getting stuff with the dumbest rolls is one of the killer aspects of the game to be honest. With the drop rate of things being so low, it's exciting to find something legendary, or set.... only to ID it, and it rolls the impossibly worst combination of stats.

    I wish they'd consider making the game a little more rewarding for play time, etc.
     
  35. Ktulu85

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    They are in the next patch. Doubling the drop rate for legendary and set items, only ilvl58+ in inferno, monster power lv1 and above makes all monsters ilv63, which then in turn, makes affixes ilv63 quality on any drop.
     
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    I've been playing the WoW xpac since there's nothing left to do in diablo 3 except farm. I can only do so many siege breaker runs. I'll checkout 1.05 when it drops though.
     
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    That'll be nice. I'll play some on PTR server and test out the ideas that should be coming I guess.
     
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    ...Me, very much so due to very busy activity at the AH, which is what I also enjoy. I think D3 is GOTY for me.

    I have been solo farming Elite packs on act. 3 Inferno with up to 221 % Magic Find (plus 5 nv). I got my 3rd (1st time in inferno) legendary 1-hand sword.

    I'm aiming for 300+ % Magic Find (with 5 stacks nv) on act. 3 inferno farming Elite packs without dying even once. Dying seem to affect the drop quality (just my feeling).

    I'm also trying Solo 300-400 MF in act. 1 and 2 inferno.

    Edit: My Demon Hunter regular DPS gear now is at 284 K. I might get close to 300% MF now (+ 5 NV) at 264 K DPS with SS with no gear/skill switching at all. Still aiming for higher numbers though :).
     
  39. F34R

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    Here's a nice "" from some playing earlier today lol:

     
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    D3 is the only game I play atm, ...it's sooo addictively good! I have scrapped the whole DPS bloating thing with my Demon Hunter (334 K DPS before, ..now my new build is 82 K DPS). I admit using the RMAH to purchase gold, ..but boy now it's paying off. Legendary drops are just normal now (with 375% MF after 5 NV). Also without bragging, my 82 K DPS DH is very comfortable soloing Inferno Act. 3-4 without dying with patch 1.05 without MP active. Monster Power 3 is my good challenge soloing Inferno Act. 3 and 4.

    The Public Games are Awesome! If playing with a bunch of folks with high MF, ..a 20 min. run at Act .3 or 4 Inferno drops 2 legendary sometimes. The community is very nice also. You could clearly tell on Public Games who has the DPS gears, MF gears, ..and the one's with both DPS and Magic Find gears.

    Lastly, legendary armor and weapons though pricey, ..looks really awesome. I sometimes treat the Public Games like a "Fashion Show" lol. There's nothing wrong if you could afford to pay and there are lots of nice affordable legendaries too; I really like D3 and so are many, many others.


    My D3 gfx settings are with V-sync on, Highest soft shadows, 1080p, NVidia Control Panel set to High Quality with SSAO on quality. And the GTX 680M OC'ed to 893 Mhz core, 2106 Mhz memory. (719/1800 stock).

    My new build (view at 100% zoom for clarity).
    http://imageshack.us/a/img441/3307/diabloiii20121022040950.png
     
  41. KernalPanic

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    I recently retried D3 after 1.05.

    I quit shortly after release as I had done as much as I ever wanted to do with the game and broke even on a couple lucky drops.
    D3 was a huge disappointment from Blizzard. I was used to A+ or better titles from them and they delivered no more than a C+ game in D3.
    D3 is the number one most refund-worthy game of the year at release.

    Now, Blizzard has had a chance to refine their product and I figured it would be worth a shot to try again.

    The good news is:
    -Its no longer refund-worthy IMHO. A solid B product now, but still not up to the old Blizzard's standards.

    -They fixed the rediculous hump at Act2 Inferno. You can actually play through and gather equipment. You will die fairly often without proper gear, but forward progress is realistic without the auction hall. A reasonable mix of gathering equipment and finding a few cheap fill-in items on the gold auction hall allows a much easier progression than before.

    -Items are no longer quite as boring. They still aren't D2-worthy, and there are far too few that really matter, but there are actually items worth trying to find.

    The bad news is:
    -I still consider BOTH D2 and the original Torchlight to be superior games to D3.
    I'd still rather play D2 than D3. And for if for some reason I want to play multiplayer, there are actually more games to join in D2 than D3!

    -They actually made Inferno too easy. I just wanted insta-kill-you-never-had-a-chance removed... this new "can't die on Siegebreaker in Inferno while AFK" is not quite what I had in mind. That's a true story FYI... I actually had to answer the door on Inferno siegebreaker. I came back about 2 minutes later and still wasn't dead. No I didn't Portal... I was actually in combat taking damage the whole time. The toon I was on was not well-equipped by any means. I expect to die afk in combat...

    -Items are still a step-down from pretty much everything in the genre.

    -Class balance is awful. My barbarian is disgustingly easy and powerful in comparison to my witch doctor. Barbarians with mediocre equipment have an easier time than WD with much superior equipment.

    -Diversity is dead... there are one or two builds in each class worth playing... (with a few variations) Everything else will take you twice as long even with much more potent gear.

    As for GoTY... Diablo 3 shouldn't be even in the running.

    I consider Blizzard to be dead now. They don't seem capable of shipping an A or better title when I was used to them shipping nothing but A+ and beyond.
     
  42. baii

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    At this stage, D3 is pretty much single player D2 that can make blizzard money. Hardly see any reason to go multiplayer unless with friends.
    The gaming style is facebook evolved -> trivial repetitive and no brain using involved. It actually take brain to build a char in D2.
     
  43. jinda

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    SORRY FOR THE LONG POST: Been a long time anyway:D

    They fixed that a long time ago, if my memory serves me right, on patch 1.0.3.

    You said you just came back for 105 right? There are actually a lot of changes on the items especially on the legendary/set items from patch 1.0.4. Bliz retained all old leg/set items and included a suffix of "legacy" on their name. They reintroduced most of those items on different names now and changed(buffed) most of the stats and affixes.

    I dont really understand the reason for comparing D2 and D3, for me they should be different games. I know D3 development started from D2 itself but if the game would be exactly the same then bliz should just relaunch D2. Again thats just me.

    I can agree with D2 somehow (being more well-thought off) but I'm sure I don't wanna play D2 at this age of PC Gaming. I was planning to but later on decided not to try TL2. I've heard that its also getting the same rate of decline D3 got in the early stage. No official source, just talks around different forums so I might be wrong.

    Inferno has been nerfed many times after the ridiculous difficulty rise from Act 1 to Act 2 pre 1.0.3. I'm not sure when you stopped playing but 1.0.3 became a more balance patch in terms of difficulty from Acts 1-4. Up to what extent are you playing now on 105? When you state above that its too easy, I assumed you are at Act 3 without MP. If you are then its way easier. The prior (1.0.4) Act 3 inferno difficulty can now be found from Monster Power Level 2-3. If you are playing on Act 3 without MP then its like playing in old Hell difficulty. If you want to find the same challenges we had from release, you have to go at least MP5.

    ***Although this was changed just today from maintenance. You might have to go to MP6-7 to find the old Act3 from release. Bliz nerfed it again by about 1-1.5 MP levels of difficulty lol.

    Not really, you will have to THINK now depending on what MP level you are playing. There are really nice leg/sets out there that is easier to find than before. All items drops in Inferno requires level 60 now. itemlevel 58-63 are now for lvl 60. And itemlevels 61 & 62 can now roll as much stat values as an itemlevel 63. Also, the the item level of the drop is now based on the monster level. So if you are in Act 1 but in any MP level, you have more chance to get higher itemlevel. Monster level range from all acts are now the same as long as you are in an MP game.

    Every item now especially leg items suits your build and play style more. You will have to look for an item with some helpful affixes if you really want to have a good result. E.i fury regen, fury cost reduction, arcane power, disc regen etc)

    Barbs and Monks are made tougher even naked when compared to WD and Wiz. But I get what you are saying. I have a well-geared barb and better geared DH and Wiz with twice my barbs DPS. My barb can stand toe-to-toe but kills longer. I have to play wiser with my DH and Wiz but they kill way way faster. I think thats just how it should be. I think the awful balance will be more obvious once they release PVP.

    I would disagree a bit here again. I played the game from release like you did but I stayed and waited for changes. I dont play like I used to though since I still got other games in my console though. But I am online almost everyday, mostly for community purposes. Yes, got a lot of cyber friends within.

    I can only comment on DH, Barb and Wiz though as thats the only 60s I got.
    Barb right now can have 3 viable builds that I already tried.
    - The popular WW-Nado build.
    - The tougher Rend build.
    - The weapon throw build.

    These 3 are the major right now but you can actually have couple of variations from within especially the last 2. I got 2 barbs (lol) one is WW and the other is Throw barb. My cuz stop for a while due to work so I'm playing his account too. Multibox, I carry one char for the double drops :)

    Wiz:
    - The reliable CM build can be full CM/Exploding blast or CM/Archon.
    - There are various lightning build going around now.
    - Hydra based build - this one is coming back due to buffs on hydra.
    - Froze Wiz build
    - Meteor based etc.

    Same as with DH.

    Long time no see :D Did you come back for 1.0,5 too? Because there's been a lot of changes from the time most of you guys quit, around 1.0,3 up to this patch. I think most games can be repetitive. D3 was for a long time after finishing the story. But they have added some end game now. It will be back to being boring and repetitive again once most players managed to beat the highest MP and get the best roll on Hellfire Rings. Maybe that's the time bliz will release PVP.

    I think this patch will take some time though. MP7-10 is really hard. Give it another 2-3 months lol. There are even some players who are not capable of doing MP1 so some players still have a long way before they get bored.
     
  44. KernalPanic

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    I read the patch notes. :)

    Stop with the excuses please. D2 is the standard to which most of us held Blizzard for an Action RPG as it redefined the genre. D3 did not have to be the same. It did need to keep the same quality level. It most certainly failed to maintain the quality level. Simplification and streamlining would have been ok if it meant a better game. (example: Skyrim - which won and easily deserved GotY despite massive simplification of the character creation in elder scrolls games)

    TL2 is a $20 single-player game that is moddable. For it's price the only downside is realizing just how amazingly good D3 should have been.
    Even if you play D3 religiously, TL2 is a good investment at $20 as Diablo-like gameplay and much better items, sets, and character building that you can play when you aren't on the Internet, or when D3 is down for whatever reason.

    I am aware of the Monster Power changes... my point is that even Normal vanilla mobs at MP0 should kill you AFK for 2 minutes...
    Nevermind an Act 3 Inferno Boss... A reminder that my equipment is nowhere near amazing and I was unavailable to fight for 2 minutes+...
    This is just plain bad balancing and lack of playtesting in the other direction. This isn't the end of the world, but its just another symptom from the people who brought you invulnerable minions/jailer/waller/arcane/firechains/teleporting. (yes I am aware they balanced elites)
    Having mobs insta-kill you before you can even hit them once 9 out of 10 times is bad.
    Having mobs so weak that they cannot finish you off while afk for 10 minutes is bad too.
    My problem isn't that this happens. (whoops!) its that the devs clearly don't understand even the basics of balancing the game.
    Anything even remotely close to RPG is about character decisions.
    Insta-dead isn't a decision
    Press any button and win isn't a decision.
    Mob being immune to fire and physical means I press a button to weapon switch and use different damage sources. This is a choice, and probably influenced which skills I use as well.

    My point was there wasn't a thought process. Before it was the same gear with the same stats as all the other were filler. It is less so now, although the old ones are still important. Now some defensive stats do matter, as insta-dying is less. MP means you must choose more defense or go glass cannon if you are overgeared for the MP you choose. You don't really need to think much and different mobs do not really require different tactics.

    As a Witch doctor, mana actually can matter... but if your damage isn't high enough it really doesn't. The typical weapon damage and INT and VIT and resist all on most everything is pretty much required. Now we have a few slots left for pickup radius, crit % crit damage, and maybe a proc like bleed. (depending on build) Most of the stats that WOULD matter are either capped (runspeed) or don't stack due to not having enough items with the stat (+ mana or + regen or +skill damage).

    As a Barbarian, I am not sure any of this matters until MP5+. Just wear whatever drops and stack HP and LoH.

    My wiz and dh are too lowbie to comment (normal and <30)

    I cannot stand monk past 10. (character concept I just plain do not enjoy playing)

    I cannot stand to play multi unless they are known friends. Mostly due to the absolute awful community Blizzard attracts. (this was true in D2, WoW, and even Starcraft)
    I cannot in good conscience ask anyone to buy D3 at $60. Most of my friends loved D2 and even at $10 the heartbreak of seeing what D3 has become is probably better off not being seen.

    Now let's compare that to D2... meleemancer, skelemancer, bonemancer, curse-'sploder, Daggermancer (poison), ranger-mancer, golemancer, zoo-keeper... yeah and that's only major massively-different builds which used completely different main foci. (nevermind variants concentrating on specific items)

    Now try TL1, TL2, and Even Borderlands 2. (D2 with guns) In each case the character building and items and sets are so much better and varied that D3 is embarrassing in comparison.

    Part of the biggest problem is that every class has skills that are just plain not used by anyone. They are so awful that pretty much any other skill is better... Some skills are OK, its just that other skills are so badly overpowered. Certain runes are so bad (or badly bugged and still havent been fixed) that choosing it is actually a nerf to yourself.

    Example: Almost all WD use Zombie bears (or perhaps Acid cloud) as their mana dump skill. Why? Zombie bears is so potent that using anything else is a self-nerf. Acid cloud is an OK replacement, but still pales in comparison. Almost no one uses toad of hugeness. The concept is very cool, its just 100% useless due mostly to its AI and some fairly silly mechanics. Toad affinity (free toads) is pointless. The changes to mana regen make those skills all but free anyway. (who designed this?) Pile On is really cool looking, but by the time you actually get it to land you could have killed everythign on the screen 10 times over with Zombie bears or even 5 times over with acid cloud.
     
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    niharjhatn Notebook Evangelist

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    The only poor title in recent memory has been diablo 3. Never touched WoW, but other than that I don't really see their standard slipping. TBH their entire problem with D3 stemmed from the use of the Auction House - not just real money but any form of auction house on a drop-based action RTS is ridiculously stupid, but this has been discussed to death.

    Their updating seems to be OK, haven't played in a while now but looking at patch notes definitely seems to be a much better game to play now. But its still pretty shocking pvp hasn't been added yet.
     
  46. thief1958

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    This thread is made mainly for D3 players / enthusiast. I understand if people don't like it, then just don't play it.

    While others like me considers D3 as Game of the year, ..Period!.

    D3 Public Game is something I really enjoy (Act. 3-4 Inferno mostly), cause if you die, it's embarrasing (it's not just about DPS). I love the the AH and RMAH, and not just buying, ..but selling.

    I don't buy lottery tickets or gamble in Casinos, or online casino. ..But I like (personal preference) having to have to invest using real money in a game, and selling using real money too. D3 is my personal casino, as if.

    Also, lately I have been giving away legendary items I find in Public game to folks with no/ very low magic find. They seem to appreciate it.
     
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    It seems like you expect D3 to be like Skyrim When in fact it is pretty much a different genre. D3 is about the item hunt and getting better items to get better. There were many builds in d2 that weren't viable and many that had names. Yes they need to work more on the characters, but i can tell that you just do not like this as much as Skyrim so please stop preaching to the thread of people who are actually communicating about the game and prefer it.
    Thanks.


    Also to note, i enjoy coming home and being able to switch my brain off and mindlessly click on things, i find it relaxing that i can work on something without paying attention.
     
  48. jinda

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    Lol! This reminds me of when I posted something similar with the above. The truth is, every person's assessment of this game will be different. We dont look for the same exact things. Some things that are good/satisfactory for us maybe bad for strict gamers like kernelpanic and baiii. Or it could be just exactly like the undying battle between the "apple sheep" vs the "android fanboys".

    Most of the time, if a person hate something, he tends to be incomprehensible however you try to explain things.

    @kernelpanic:

    In the beginning, people complain about dying in 1 shot in Act 2. Now you complain about not dying afk'ing for 2 minutes. And you said you play in MP0. If you wanna die, then play in higher MP. I guess that's the main purpose why bliz made the MP levels. To cater the beginners for lower MP, casual players for mid level MP and hardcores like you for top level MP.

    Reading the patch notes is different than actually playing to see the things that you dont like.
    I honestly thought D3 is gonna die after 1.0,3 but this is actually the only time again that I have to scroll down 3 times on my friend's list to reach the bottom. People are coming back maybe not because they like the game but because they wanna see the changes and try them and not just read the patch.

    If you cant give your precious time to play the game again then its up to you. Just remember that everytime you post in this thread, people will have a slight idea of what you will be writing. You kind of already created a reputation for yourself here together with baiii ;) D3 haters sound good?

    Fanboy checking out...

    Peace everybody!
     
  49. bubzers

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    So, I recently completed D3 on normal with my monk. I was feeling pretty good about it. I started nightmare difficulty with MP1 and promptly died at Tristram gates by the first zombie-thing that fights back...it was both funny and sad.

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    I've been finding mediocre legendaries at Public Games lately, ..but just today I found my first Andariel's Visage. I know PG doesn't have MP and maxxes at 375% MF after NV.

    I could do MP3 now at Act.3 Inferno myself, and I noticed that I was at 375% MF already before the 5 stack NV. That will be 450% after the stack. I noticed when I tried it, at 390% (first elite kill) the rare drop was much better already compared to 375% MF if no MP active. The rares have the 60-70 Resist all elements prefix already.
    Also, it only takes a 20 min. run to find these legendaries, not wasting hrs. and hrs.

    Here's the pic of the legendary helm and specs (at 375% MF). This helm adds me 7939 natural DPS with my current helm. ..The Paragon leveling in Public Games is Unbelievably Fast! ..I think I find an average of 6-8 legendaries a week with just casual gaming time.
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