Diablo 3 Gameplay/Performance Impressions (NO SPOILERS ALLOWED)

If you're playing this game, how much minimum FPS do you actually shoot for for it to have no lag in gameplay?

 

you can literally just not use the RMAH. you'll be able to get elite gear with the regular auction house.

 

I'll take this argument seriously when I see Blizzard add items of their own to the AH that are worth using and turn it more into a vendor than an auction house. One of the first rules of economics: resources are scarce.

 

I dont see the problem in this honestly. If hardcore gamers like you can play all day then you dont really need to use rmah to get your items. You chose to play all the time to have the chance to get things the most practical way.

Now for working people who wants to smack demon at night, why would it be a problem if they want to use rmah? Like what you said, they work and they dont have all the time to play like hc gamers.

Its all about choices here. If you dont like rmah then dont use it and farm your item. If you dont have time and have the capacity to use rmah then use it for all I care.

There is so much crying about this game and it gets annoying already. People say so much but still play the game. You guys who bought the game from bnet site can refund within 30 days if you are not happy with it.

We all have different opinions and I respect those. But sometimes, you have to keep it on your own because right now, every board is filled with rants from unhappy gamers who feel that they are entitled to complain having played D1 and D2. Most of us played D1 and D2 as well and are not happy with the way things are going right now. But I wont take it seriously. I have other things to worry about.

Let's be fair. Rmah is not even live yet. I know Bliz always mess it up but for God's sake it's only been 2 weeks from release. Let's give it a chance and see.

As for me, if ever there is something in RMAH AH that I like and I think I can afford it? I will f#####g buy it! Its because I can't play 24 hours a day like some hardcore gamers but I still need to keep up. Is it cheating?

Edit: Btw - baiii, I'm not angry My response is for everybody. I just want to make a point that we can make it simpler. If people have complains, then go to the official forum/site and file it. If complain is neglected, and people are unhappy, then quit playing and refund while you can. If you want to stay playing but hate rmah, then just dont use it. Dont worry about other people buying things from it, its their choice, same as other players who chose to be a full time player.

At the very least, 30 fps is ok. But it varies in this game so much depending on how you play. If you play with a group, there's a good chance that it will dip lower due to number of players and number of mobs being pulled at the same time. If you will play solo then it can be stable.

If your card is in the lower end of the minimum requirement, you can adjust/lower the settings and see if you can maintain 30 above.

 

I'm upset because I can't really play with you guys yet, as cross server gameplay is not compatible. Anyways, armour and HP is pointless for Inferno as a WD, so I'm focusing on sheer power from intelligence now. Hope to raise 30/40k DPS for Act 2.

 

I just started Act 2 as well on my wiz. I have 33k buffed dps when I use 2h but my hp is currently 22k only. I read that we need at least 150+ physical resistance to avoid getting 1 shot regardless of how much hp you have. There are guys with more than 50k hp getting killed in 1 shot due to very low res.

I prefer playing with 1h+shield but I need to get a hold of a 1k+ dps 1-hander first. I am using a 2h 1.1k+ dps (blue) at the moment.

 

You're still in act 2? I was working on the first quest of act 4 last night.

 

Lol! You skipped it like what we did last night and got our asses kicked!

Edit: Oh yeah in case some people don't know. There is a glitch that will make you access Inferno Act 4. I went there last night (raz followed me) because I was trying to get rings and amulet from vendors from act 4. The attributes change randomly everytime you exit and resume the game. So I was in and out hoping to get good combinations. I got an upgrade for my necklace though. I was hoping to get +damage and attack speed rings but its not coming out

 

Still in act 1 inferno as a barb. Just killed skelly king last night with no problems. I realize this has no bearing on the next few acts as to how I'll do, but I'm curious as to how steep the difficulty scaling is from Act 1 to 2 (and so on). From what I hear, I'll need a crap ton of resistances that seem really extreme (like 500+ beyond act 2). Current relevant stats are as follows:

Armor: 5923
Damage: 12184
Resistances: 214-334 unbuffed
HP: 31504

Oh, computer performance wise I've found my laptop can play this game smoothly with all high settings (except shadows on low) and maintaining 60fps with vsync on. I was slowing down noticably in the spider caves and sewers (down to 30 fps or below), but when I changed to full windowed mode, game sped up quite a bit. Not sure why that works so well but it was significant for anyone who has this problem.

 

My char is a wiz and I am trying to reach at least 200 for resistance. That's what I read is minimum for casters. I also have 6k+ armor when on shield.

I played with a barb last night when we did Act 1. He didn't die even once. He got really good gear though. He got the ffg:

HP = 41k
DPS = 11k
Res = 800
Armor = 9k

He is just farming, his gears are mostly on Act 4 level already though.

 

vsync is probably not active in windowed mode even though you have the setting ticked. probably windowed mode decreases performance slightly, but turning off vsync improves performance dramatically.

 

VSync is definitely active otherwise it wouldn't cap my FPS at 60 (screen refresh rate). Maybe I'll play around and untick it anyway just to see how much the FPS spikes up and down and if it improves performance even more.

I did play around with vsync in the web caves and sewers and it always felt slower. Full screen windowed mode, for whatever reason, worked to speed up the game.

 

No vertical-sync in windowed mode - Forums - Diablo III

windowed applications generally can't use vsync.

 

I tried changing to Windowed full screen and I really like it. If I just disable vsync I get all kinds of problems (tearing, noticable skipping, etc because the game runs upwards of 100 FPS), but leaving vsync on and changing to windowed full screen it seems smoother but I don't notice the problems. Plus, when there is a massive fight and the FPS drops below 60 I avoid those annoying forced 30 FPS stutters.

 

Ok good I'm not the only one who noticed this. What you just described is exactly what happens with my performance in d3 while in full screen windowed mode.

 

i'll check this out and report back.

my last piece of advice for now is to leave v-sync off if possible. you generally don't want v-sync on, because it just eliminates potential tearing artifacts at the cost of overall performance and some input delay.

 

I think you have that backwards. VSYNC mitigates tearing issues.

 

I think you have that backwards. VSYNC mitigates tearing issues.

 

OK, what the? I'm not going to delete this multi-post yet so the admins can look at it.

 

Can anyone please help.

I got a new Alienware M18x using 2 560M SLI
The game is SLOWER than my old 8800 GT with no SLI.

I am using the latest driver and it does not help... this is a new computer and it is worst than my old 7 year old PC.

Does anyone know why? I cannot even move around town smoothly!!!!

Thanks.

cyberchick

 

Just got my Demon Hunter to 60. 37 hours played. She has 18.5k dps without sharpshooter and 39k hp.

 

Something really bizarre is happening to D3 when I try to exit the game. It appears when I exit my resolution goes to 800x600 or something like that and I black screen upon exit. I can CTRL+ALT+DEL to pull up shutdown/restart/etc but my laptop will never shut down so i have to do a hard reboot. I really don't know if it's driver related or what but It's driving me crazy...only happens with D3

 

that sounds consistent with what i said. did you get what i said backwards? we're all just a little confused here. i blame diablo. or maybe the queen of blades.

 

Yeah, I read that backwards. I blame the Lord of Lies .

Anyway, for those with nVidia cards, the latest drivers should support adaptive VSYNC on all nVidia cards. If he can't hit 60FPS, it runs as if VSYNC is disabled. If it can hit 60FPS, VSYNC kicks in and limits the frame rate to 60FPS. The "old version" of VSYNC did limit frame rates to either 30FPS or 60FPS which did introduce stuttering and could limit frame rates which was sometimes perceived as input lag.

If you've got an nVidia card, 301.42 drivers (or later), there pretty much isn't any reason to disable VSync. Read more here.

 

Have you tried adaptive on D3?

I am the biggest fan of adaptive vsync, and use it all the time, but when I tried it on D3 I got some weird micro stuttering pretty often.

 

Found this test for Magic Find (MF). I've been trying to farm Magda and Zoltun in inferno Act 4 Prime Evil quest last night but I didn't get any yellow with a 159% MF gear

 

Found an insane ring in Act 2 Inferno, sold it for 2.5mil almost instantly. Pretty happy with that lol.

Anyways, I sacrificed my HP for 40K DPS unbuffed, and like 70K DPS buffed and now I'm slaying everything in Act 2 Inferno with little issue really. I have to pull off some matrix stuff tho, and whilst doing that, learning to kite like a pro... challenging but fun. Been getting a lot of error 37s recently though. Grrr.

 

anyone have any goodies for sale? those AH prices are straight retarded.

we should make a Diablo 3 Trade thread or something.

 

Ya some of those prices are insanely high/low I bought a legendary Mace for 10k gold.

 

I have gone into chinese gold farming mode on my wizard in hell act 3 and 4. Stuff is easy to kill amd you can stack the mf buff. My wizard has 44k hp, 11.2k dps, 1200 life per sec and 6200 armor with a 1h and shield.

Working on new weapons and rings now.

 

seriously the prices on there are freaking ridiculous makes me wanna slam my face on my keyboard when I see them. Reason why I can't better gear atm and I"m just stuck farming for gold.

 

The gold farming really isn't that bad. I just want a new 1h and 2h and then I'm going to get more into inferno again.

I've replaced everything I'm wearing except for my weapon and shield in the last 2 days farming in hell act 3 and 4. The neph valor buff makes siegebreaker, the spider, azmodan, izual and diablo drop multiple yellows and blues

 

My wizard has 14k dps and around 40k hp. Am I ready for hell diablo? I don't think that will be enough for inferno yet so I guess I'll have to farm some more gears.

 

id farm alot more for inferno, but for hell D, are you going solo or with a group?

 

Solo. group is also fine. Where should I farm for inferno?

 

i think it's so retarded to make inferno so resist dependent. why resist would be more important than HP kind of baffles me...

the main gripe about it is that Witch Doctors and Wizards have an automatic advantage because of the passive resist they get from stacking intelligence. i see scrub mages, with scrub gear, being able to farm anything with the proper build. while other classes have to give up so much (time & money) just to try to survive.

 

Don't get discouraged. It's currently free to list items, which means that people who aren't really interested in selling items can list items any without regard to market value. There are enough of these people that the AH is clogged full of bad overpriced gear.

But- with proper searching, there is still competition going on in terms of prices among those who want to sell. You can get a full set of gear that will get you through at least inferno act 1 for about 10k / item (slightly more for rings and amulet, somewhat less for weapon)

Those auctions don't last long and get bought out quickly, so you have to know what you are looking for, have it filtered out, and wait for a few seconds or a minute or so for it to show up at a good price while refreshing the page.

This could be solved by changing the listing fee system to have some upfront costs that you pay regardless of whether the item sells. Right now it's just 15% after the sale. Converting to something like 5% upfront + 10% after would eliminate all the junk.

 

with proper searching, you can find tons of great deals on the AH.

 

That will do to solo hell. But you need a bit more dps and at least 200 res in inferno. Maybe put your dps above 20k, you can sacrifice some HP for res.

 

I dont think bliz made res so important than HP.

Not considering the armor:
- Somebody with 40k HP can take 2 20k damage from mobs. And
- Somebody with 25k HP and 200 res (40% damage reduction) can also take 2 hits from a reduced 20k damage (12k due to resistance).

I think we can either stack on res or on vit. Problem with vit is in act 1, its going to be so hard to get a gear with insane amount of vit. If ever you find one, its going to be damn expensive. I haven't progressed much in Act 2 but I read that from Act 3-4, there are some mobs that will ignore damage reductions so that will be the time that HP will be more important than res.

About wiz' passive, I dont see a problem with it not because I'm playing a wiz but because every class benefits from their main stats. Every class can get res from int but should a barb and monk stack up int? Should a wiz stack up dex to increase its dodge or str to increase armor?

Edit: Sorry for successive posts.

 

if the mobs are higher than lvl 60 and are ignoring res, and/or they're going to one-shot you anyway, forget vit, forget str, and focus on dodge (dex).

demon hunters should be pretty well off at that point. and monks i guess.

 

If you want to see the effect of intelligence for a wiz, here is my character as of now:



Jinda will get on me for not having enough dps, but I've gone more of a meatshield, and I've found better luck with it. I've gotten to the sword and the stranger quest in act 1 and when I'm with a group that doesn't go "oh crap" when they see a champion group, I'm doing pretty well. It gets me extra survivability for dealing with less than cohesive groups. I've ended up having a lot of wizards asking me for my spec.

The times I've been having issues in Inferno have been either in groups that suck or times when I just get backed into a corner and the mobs put up some walls or something to pin me down and I can't get out. Inferno is a lot of fun, though with a good group.

Now that I've gotten all around in the areas I want to hit in terms of gear, I can just focus on getting better gear of the same things to increase dps from there and such.

 

Hehe I wont. I'm too busy changing changing my gear hehe. I lost about 5k dps for getting some resist gears.

I'm currently at 20k dps (unbuffed) - 1h & shield (still saving for a 1k+ dps 1h). I managed to increase my res to about 300.

I tried it in Act 2 and I can get 2-3 hits now before I die
Here's my un-buffed char profile:

 

Yeah, I just got to the butcherer and my dps wasn't enough. So, I ditched galvanizing ward for glass cannon since I have 1k+ life regen, and switched energy armor with familiar. Now I have 3400 armor, but my dps went up 3k.

Once I can, I'll start slowly migrating to dmg/vit/resist gear.

 

silly wizards...i thought u guys were supposed to be smart.

hover over your int stats and see your passive resist percentage.

 

We know we benefit from stacking Int not only for dps but also for resist. I mentioned it from my previous post. We get roughly 10% of our Int as Res.

A wiz who just hit 60 can have about 1000 int with lvl 55-60 gears and can get about 100 res from it. And its not enough to survive Act 1 with it alone like what you are saying in your post. We still need to play wisely and not just stand and tank because we have a passive. Its cant even guarantee survival when kiting because we can still get hit and die.

We cant rely only from the amount of res coming from our Int. We still have to get some res gears. It just save us from having to get more gears with res due to the amount we get from Int.

I still try to get all my gears with res. I want to treat the res from Int as a small bonus

 

...and that's all i said a Wizard's/Witch Doctor's int was. a built in bonus.

nobody ever said anything about tanking. there are builds out there for wizards that will allow u to play with very little to no contact from monsters. it's a sad fact with every new RPG/MMO release: mages/wizards are always stupid OP from release. then they slowly get dumbed down through future patches.

 

This is true from normal to hell but not working in inferno anymore. The same tactic in kiting will not work to avoid getting hit now. With mobs' cc skills that prevents us from moving, its really impossible not to get hit. Inferno is so ridiculously hard that just getting near a monster will kill you Of course without the res.

 

As a WD who just got to Belial inferno, it has been my experience that, at least for WDs, vitality and resistance are not viable stats to acquire unless you have ridiculous amounts of gold to buy that sick gear that gives you high dps with resistance and health. I build mostly glass cannon and its been working well with my build, albeit I only use one offensive ability(haunt) and the rest is cc(most important in inferno). I'm not at home so I can't give accurate measurements of my stats, but its something like a base 33.3k dps(45k if I use soul harvest) and sub 20k health and like 200-300 resists. I got to Belial last night and I solo'd him to around 30% third phase many times, but I was getting tired and making mistakes or falling prey to my bad connection lag over and over again, but I can say for sure that a flawless victory is the only way to beat him. No amount of health or resists will safeguard you from his hits. Btw, I used a darts spec for Belial, not my cc one that I use in groups.

 

Exactly. There's a reason why me and you are focusing on learning how to take damage and avoid damage. We're always on the verge of being hit by anything. Kiting skills are the difference between life and death.

I need to stop reading the D3 forums. It's full of people trolling, ranting, whining, stating the obvious or just being general retards. Almost every forum is filled with "WTS/WTB" threads.