Dota 2 Discussion thread

Yeah unfortunately I am closing tonight so I'll miss some of the International but I'm off tomorrow so guess who is going to watch the International all day tomorrow?

 

Now I'm angry LGD didn't eliminate Na'Vi during the winner's bracket finals. Don't know why you don't shutdown a farming Void/AM, just why. XBOCT always plays an agility carry, SHUT DOWN CARRIES. Forget about supports, end game support AOE initiation isn't going to be a major issue vs a completely farmed agility carry like AM/Void, GOD.

 

I usually root for the Asian team but I think Na'vi's got this one.

 

I don't care who wins now, my 2 picks before the international were Navi and ig!

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IG got this. Impressive!

 

Yupppppp iG as I said! The Chinese teams find the best heroes to combo with. Na'Vi and teams like EG try radical new strategies, aggressive play can backfire. Chinese teams usually play more stable gameplay.

 

I wish It would have gone five games, but it was a good series. GG Invictus Gaming!

 

IMO I just think Na'Vi mispicked, picking heroes they couldn't fully utilize or picking heroes for chain stun combo but couldn't pull it off. Seriously Juggernaunt and Nyx Assassin?? The theory was good, chain stun with Nyx and Leshrac, Juggernaunt spin mombo wombo combo, except it never happened, Nyx hardly got kills, which falls off mid-late game. I don't think Nyx even have Dagon, which without the Vendetta, Spike, Mana burn and Dagon combo, Nyx is dead. Jug is only good end game with extreme farm, sure Lone Druid was fed but Lone Druid can't take out entire iG team. iG had early aggressive game and completely dominated all lanes. Never seen such a bad tri-lane.

 

You are right. They could have done it if they used the void strategy from the lgd games.

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They chose Lone Druid as it is a much safer carry, and a tank. End game Void only has like 1800 HP with Heart of Tarrasque. Of course if Void gets farmed as much as he did, yeah it's GG, but too many ways to counter Chrono (anyone not caught inside Chrono chain stuns Void) and if Void misses ult, gg.

 

Ahh I sent the survey months and months ago. I've played a bit with a friends account he let me borrow, but its not very nice to just use another's account.

I got into the CS:GO beta but never dota 2. If any of you know of any giveaways etc. please post it here... I don't think Valve is gonna be giving away many more keys as they have the imho ridiculously priced early access bundle up.

But yeah, ig played the TI very well. Some very entertaining games, but some that were a bit more bland. Finals were excellent. I loved how some characters were played SOO differently by different people. Kinda reminded me of Ibuki in Street Fighter 4 and how she spawned several very distinct playstyles. Didn't particularly like the casters for the finals, I mean they were OK, but I think there were better casters used in less important matches.

It will be interesting if Valve try and create a sort of 'pro-circuit' because the relatively smaller prize pools of other competition might really impact participation by the top teams in the smaller comps.

 

Honestly, Na'Vi's weak point in that last match was the nyx assassin. Nyx Assassin didn't do anything worth crap that game. I think they chose nyx assassin to kind of have the surprise factor in the game against KotL, but they could've really chosen someone better. Maybe Bounty Hunter? That Jugg/Lesh/BH trilane sounds better. And them banning Disruptor instead of Dark Seer, I say, also lost them the game.

IG just completely out-played them in the games they won in the match. The played aggressively and made Na'Vi more "responsive," making them sit back on their heels instead of making something happen. GG IG. Very well played.

 

some games are very irritating. I was with 4 guys who knew each other, and one was a complete noob. The other guys were teaching him (wrongly) and it was just a pain.

 

Gahhh. The dreaded 4-stack. That's gotta be the worst, most especially if they know nothing.

 

Yeah. They should definitely find someone else that sucks to play with them so they don't bring the rest of us down with them.

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Worst part is you can buy XP gainers and be put with scrubs like those. I saw a level 14 Chaos Knight with Powertreads, 3 x bracer, just facepalm.

 

yeah... I don't really care about the XP stuff, I only use items I get for free, but any game with a clinkz who didn't know his invis makes him moves faster and a drow whose first 2 items are boots and shadow blade... just terrible.

 

Haha well, at the very least, the Drow knew to get a shadowblade. Haha.

After the single draft game a couple days back with City and Hime, I've been wanting to learn how to play kunkka. It's pretty fun to hit the enemies with tidebringer. Plus he's super tanky. I like when during a teamfight, one of them with low health is running back and then you hit a creep and you kill them with tidebringer. But, like Hime has told me, Kunkka's all about timing and that's probably the hardest part about him.

 

The biggest thing with Kunkka is to get Battle Fury along with Shadow Blade and Dadelus, you can potentially crit an AOE of close to 1k.

 

Next game I play, I'll get bfury. I usually go phase, vanguard, then go towards crystalis. I haven't done well with him, yet, to get lothar's or upgrade the crystalis into a daedalus.

I was watching a video of someone playing Kunkka and he got two battlefury's on him. I know you'd get 2 cleaves with the bfury cleave + the tidebringer cleave, but with 2 bfury's would you get 3 cleaves then?

 

Yeah cleaves stack. I've done Juggernaunt with 4 Battlefurys, they all stack.

 

Sweet mother of mercy.....4 bfury's?!

 

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Dendi with 6 battlefuries on ursa

 

WOW. hahaha. He was taking them down so fast!

 

Haha fun game as CARRY Venomancer, 8-1-21, Shade Blade, Eye of Skadi, Arcane Boots, TP scroll, Crystalys, Ring of Aquila. I pwned a fully fed Slardar, he would try to get close to Slithereen Crush, but would get slowed so bad and he would try to retreat and I would Gale and auto attack with my passive slow and Skadi. Hilarious. And I didn't even get Sceptre.

 

A fed Veno can be super scary. Slow to start, but once things get going with him, he can get quite dangerous. Also has one of the coolest lore in the game.

 

Yeah ironic part is I was laning with Tree_Burner and I was getting all the kills, haha. He had it rough, get got ganked a couple times as we were in suicide lane for Radiant, but team fights for them were horrid, we decimated them. Naga popped ult randomly, just GG.

 

You guys gonna be on later tonight? I'll proably be able to get in a game when I get home from work in about half an hour then imma go take my family out to dinner for my mom's birthday and then I"m thinking about staying up late and getting in a couple of games.

 

I'm going out with friends to TGI Fridays, probably won't be on til 2 am EST if anyone is still on.

 

Wow I never realized how super OP Ogre Magi really was, 14-2-24 as support/initiator/tank Ogre. End game items; Arcane boots, Vanguard, Sceptre, BKB, and had final pieces for Bloodstone.

 

Feel the same way, once I play a new hero I feel like I've missed out on something!... well for the most part

 

I know I'm a bit late... I managed to catch the finals of the international live, but any other particular games you guys would recommend?

What did you find to be the most entertaining?

I'd love to go through them all but just don't have the liberty of time unfortunately.

 

It's been almost or over a month since Baka last played Dota 2 now ._.

Baka blames Hime

 

Na'Vi vs iG Game 3, iG had a Disruptor along with Dark Seer made for some nasty combos. Also Game 4 of the Grand Finals was GG for Na'Vi. EHOME vs Tong Fu loser's bracket, they did a sick carry Tiny, killed a fed Morphling near instantly.

._. wut?

 

^^^

Thanks for the suggestions.

It was an absolutely unbelievable tournament set up by valve - they treated the players like stars, with limos, specialised itineraries, all the prize money, etc. - they treated them like sports stars really.

Couldn't have imagined this happening 5 years ago.

 

I don't think it's surprising at all. E-Sports was already pretty huge to begin with, DOTA games are super popular. And Valve has had success with FPS (CS, CS:S). I still want to go to the International next year, I hope it's in the US again, last year was at GamesCon.

 

Save for SC:BW players in Korea, outside of Korea tournaments have always been pretty crap in terms of this sort of 'flamboyance'.

Even 1.6 at its prime, the tournaments were not as well done as this - and valve did not do any CS tournaments - the big ones like ESWC, gotfrag, dreamhack were all done by 3rd parties.

CS:S had the ridiculous CGS which was kinda interesting but failed completely.

So yeah, it was pretty surprising. Numerous games are extremely competitive/popular but don't get the same treatment.

 

Ah well it's cool. You know I seriously think some people have no common sense in pub Dota. I saw they had a Clinkz picked, so I go Slardar. THEN they pick Gondor (Bounty Hunter) and they laned Gondor and Tidehunter against me and Ursa. Let's see, AOE stun from me, Ursa with AOE slow = dominated the lane. They eventually ganked us later, but overall I had leveled up so fast, their invisibility heroes had no chance, and Clinkz is already fragile as it is.

 

Yeah lol

Valve wasn't even around during the heyday of CS, it was run on another program called WON (before steam came out). Bloody awful now that I think back to it. Used to take hours to update manually and everything.

Just unbelievable how far we've come

 

Gondar*

Baka do believe there's this thing called "Newbies" who doesn't know all about the game yet

 

Baka: Haha! Get back on some DotA!! Also why the blame on Hime for your absence?? haha. I think it's funny playing with Hime and City. The rage they ensue in some players is hilarious. I just sit back and laugh at most of the stuff they say.

niharjhatn: I do agree that Valve really did well with the International and I thought it was really cool how they had a huge hall and a huge turnout for the event, but the thing that was kinda bugging me was how the tournament was set up. I'm not sure if other DotA tournaments or the previous International was set up the same, but there were some teams that played match after match after match for hours on end without any breaks. I think it may have been LGD.

Been playing a lot of Slardar and Skeleton King lately. Skeleton King is so easy to play (press Q and win) and he's such a beast. A game I played with him over the weekend, 4v1 and I was able to take out two of them before I died. Ulti'd back up and had to run because their 5th came, but I was able to do enough damage for my team to come and clean up. So fun. Slardar is pretty fun, too, but I haven't gotten a win with him yet =\. Aside from making invis heroes visible, I liked picking him with other players who had armor reduction abilities, like Bounty Hunter. I'd ulti someone and BH would ulti someone and that would basically take off ALL the armor on that one hero making them SUPER squishy. So nice.

 

I've spectated a few of your games. You NEED to get Ring of Health ASAP, and what I do with Slardar is now Stout Shield, Tango, Strength Gauntlet x1, and Clarity. The reason being is Ring of Health keeps you in lane and buying additional Tangos and Salves after 2-3 minutes is a waste of gold, 90/100 gold for temporary heal vs 875 for permanent 6 hp/sec heal. If you last hit well, you should get Ring of Health safely as your last Tango runs out. Then I get at least boots of speed then HP to build Vanguard. I usually get arcane boots with Slardar so I can flash farm with Slithereen crush. But you NEED to coordinate with other teammates with Slardar. With blink Slithereen crush, he's such an awesome initator and hard to counter IMO. You should also never use Sprint unless you are running away, 30% bonus increase = death, as bad as minus armor. I do Crush, Bash, Crush, Slither, Crush then Ult then Crush again, max out that AOE stun. Even if teamfight is over, you can use Slithereen crush to flash farm, not nearly as good as Morphling's Waveform but also remember it is an AOE stun with slow.

Items I build if I am confident is Urn of Shadows, gives you early mana regen and insane strength. Then Vanguard, Arcane boots, Blink Dagger. Then I usually follow up with Hyperstone into Mjollinar, just being a stun-locking Slardar, nasty. You can do Armlet, but meh I've had less success with Armlet.

Skeleton King can backfire on you, if they focus the rest of your team during a team fight, SK can't solo 3-4 heroes with chainstuns. Then his ultimate backfires on you, you die twice. IMO SK is a pretty hard carry, without items he is pretty useless, only useful for stun. You need Hyperstone and insane health/tank items to where you tank the brunt of the damage while your support/initators wipe out the enemy team or most of it and SK finishes them off with lifesteal/crit. Skullbasher or Abyssal Blade IMO are essential and increasing attack speed to increase crit/stun/lifesteal combo. Just too much to where SK will never be used competitively,

I think that Bounty Hunter had like 280+ wins, unlikely an absolute newbie gets that many wins. :|

 

Hime: I'll keep that in mind next time I play Slardar. Yeah, I'd normally build for Urn, but the past couple games, someone was already getting one. I never thought about it, but yeah, RoH before boots would be a safer bet, especially since he has sprint. Last game I played as slardar (with City) was tough as . I was in lane against Drow and Rhasta. Me and Dazzle absolutely couldn't do anything against them. Horrible.

As far as SK goes, if that kind of backfire happens, where the opposing team focuses anyone else except you, that really isn't a fault of SK. You stun the one that potentially does the most damage. Also, if the opposing team was that dense, letting SK wail on you is such a bad idea, especially with the right items and his critical strike passive. I think he'd be okay in comp play, but the only reasons I can't see him being used competitively is that he is easily countered by heros that can steal mana, like Anti-Mage, Invoker, and Bane, or items like Diffusal Blade that drain mana, mana issues to where if a fight goes on long enough and he uses up a lot of mana, he won't be able to use his ulti, and that there are better str/melee carry heroes that have better stuns that AoE, like Slardar or Sven, or heroes like CK with better crit output, adn that he's got like no mobility.

I do wanna try playing Enigma soon, though. Been watching a lot of videos of people playing him.

 

SK is just an unstable hero which needs extreme farm, just like why Drow or Faceless Void aren't really chosen, with Void being the most extreme carry in the game. Those 3 carry heroes literally can't do anything without farm. Now Na'Vi's XBOCT played a fantastic carry Void, and it won them the game, but like I said there are far more stable carry choices, like Mirana, TA, Anti-Mage who are IMO equally as weak as Void but have better escapes. And hence you see the rise of Anti-Mage in this new metagame with so many intelligence support heroes.

IMO don't rely on Sprint, especially if you get stunned somehow, you are dead, 30% bonus damage is something early Slardar cannot deal with. Now that being said, later on Sprint is EXCELLENT, a huge movement speed bonus with extreme tank, 30% will be nothing if you can AOE stun their team or stun lock them with Bash. Yeah Drow and Rhasta is a tough lane, silence and slow along with a dual disabler can be tough and both are ranged. Hence I get Stout shield to deal with harassment and why it is even more important to go get Ring of Health ASAP. In fact for nearly all my melee heroes, it is the first thing I get. Staying in lane is probably one of the most important things, keeps your level/XP up with your enemies, as well as GOLD.

Enigma is pretty straightfoward, I usually build into Soul Ring ASAP, then Arcane boots. I usually get Blink before Mek, depends on how well my team is doing, and then of course BKB. You can push lanes or gank with Enigma, people underestimate the damage the baby Enigmas do, at level 4, they can kill many underleveled Intel/Agility heroes just by auto-attacking. And of course, level up Malefice accordingly.

 

Played a game as Enigma last night and he actually isn't as bad to use as I had originally expected.

Started off getting our courier, 2xClarity, and a sage's mask (felt this would help me get my soul ring a lot faster than if I had gotten some branches or something else). Once the game started, used demonic conversion on one of the mid creeps since I had a feeling their Pudge would be mid, and then I went back to fountain to refill my mana before jungling. Jungling wasn't too bad, got my soul ring really fast and then got regular boots. I decided to get Mek first since our teamfights weren't going too bad and I really was able to walk in and black hole. I got in a few good black holes that game. Then I saved up for BKB and then blink, but by that time, even though we had a good lead (lots of early kills, got their T2 towers early), we let the game go for longer than it should have and they would pick us off one by one. Sure enough, their late gamers like Drow and Phantom Assassin, got enough farm for us not to be able to take them. Good game though. Definitely playing more Enigma.

 

Had to very successful games as Disruptor and Necro last night.

Disruptor is one of my favorite heroes to play. Played with some buddies last night, who played Void and CM. I laned with Void and we pretty much shut down the AM and Sand King we laned against. Our team was actually a pretty good one with us three and Clinkz and Jakiro. During teamfights, our Void would timewalk in + ult and he would catch them perfectly in the spehre to where I can play my ult + thunderstrike on them and then the static barrier around them at the last second, just in case they werent' dead yet. One of the reasons I love playing Disruptor is perfectly timed glimpses. Enemy is porting in? Just get in position and glimpse him right back to where he ported from. So funny.

Necro is easily another favorite of mine. Sometimes I forget how good he actually is. Laned against a super agressive Ogre with no regen items and an overly confident Dazzle. Laned with my friend as Slardar and we shut them down easily. Got farmed pretty quickly and was able to get my normal support items, mana boots and mek. Then, since our whole team was doing well, I decided to try and get some carry items. Got my aghanim's, which allowed me to kill anyone with 50% life, and then I started working towards a heart, but even without it, the opposing team had trouble taking me or my team down. I love getting kills with the heartstopper aura too. In the early game, we'd catch dazzle and get him to like 1% life and he'd try to run away, but he'd be just in range of my aura to finish him off =)

 

Had a great game going as tinker last night. I had my main items and was getting lots of kills (BH on the other team kept running around with ~300 hp, instant death). then I got disconnected from the server and couldn't reconnect, so i restarted steam and it had DC'd me from the game permanently. stupid beta.

 

Yeah hence Dota 2 is still in closed Beta. I've had Dota 2 just lag for like a whole minute, and I die or completely miss a team fight.

 

So I have word that Meepo (Geomancer) will be coming very shortly, should make for some interesting Dota 2 games..

 

I was never any good at meepo in WC3, so I'll probably still never play him.


I DID have a great game yesterday with Disruptor. I never realized how much fun he is until then.