Dota 2 Discussion thread

Undying is a boss. love him.

 

Yeah, I don't read guides as well. Just improvise along the way.

 

Baka never uses guides ._. Baka plays how Baka pleases

 

Wisp is good only if he is with another hero. He's a little useless when solo. But in clashes, he is very very good. He's not broken, you should first learn how to use Io to know his weaknesses. All new heroes seem overpowered at the beginning, but once you play them, you already know how to counter them.

 

True. I go off guides, but I try to deviate from the guide if the game proves the need to change things up. I was just suggesting that the guides are good to go off of for players who are trying to learn the game.

Anyhow, did anyone have trouble connecting to dota last night? I was stuck on that "Connecting to the Dota 2 Network" screen for almost an hour and half last night after the update. Aside from that, when I did get in, my first 2 games ended in less than 10 minutes because there would be people who had troubles with disconnecting.

 

I played for the first time yesterday. Someone in the chatroom offered to teach me how to play in a co-op game against some bots.

It's kind of complicated, basically the gameplay is like an RTS.

 

Finally seen the light for Drow Ranger, man is she nasty. Save up for Shadow Blade, Crytallys, Assault Cuirass, you are critting nearly 1000 with her frost arrow.

Also I had a very good game as Vengeful Spirit, I did not realize how easy of a support class she was. Deny, deny, stun and let your teammate kill. Spam wave of terror.

 

Sounds just like what I do with witch doctor. I'm beginning to think I'm more keen to support classes than any other types.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, you can deny towers and you can deny creep, but you can also deny your teammates? I was spectating a game yesterday and I noticed that Silencer had denied Zeus. At a quick glance, I read that as Silencer killed Zeus and didn't think much of it. Then I noticed Silencer and Zeus were both on the Dire side. For a moment I was (O_O).

 

If you have an ability that can target teammates, yes you can. FUNNY you mention that, I accidently used my Bloodseeker's Blood Rage on a teammate, and it was 2v5, and we got ambushed, and I deined him as it does 20 damage over 8 seconds and he already had low health.

 

You can deny allied heroes just like denying creeps. They need to be under 100hp and is under a fatal DoT like poison though. Then just press A, and click the allied hero.

 

That's good to know. I never knew you could do that.

 

Played a few matches and man this game is fun lol. Lost more than won but its still fun nonetheless.

So far I'm only good with Lina and I'm learning my way through Outworld Destroyer.

 

Outworld destroyer is easy ._. Get Lots of mana items and intelligence items, Max E first, Q second and then just let Q autocast

Baka builds Phase Boots, Bloodstone, Orchid, Scythe of Vyze, BKB and Shiva's Guard on Outworld

 

...man ive been doing outworld wrong lol.

 

Baka just tends to build ownage builds..

Didn't know you can actually target an hero with A...interesting.

 

An interesting item to get on Destroyer is the Ghost Staff. After activating it and going ethereal, you can still attack enemies with your orb by manually activating it each time. Can be real handy against some nasty melee heroes like Ursa/mort/magina who might focus you early in combat with blink/kelen's dagger.

 

Baka do weird Baka builds. Try not to blindly follow them ._.

 

Because it's technically casting a 'spell'? That's awesome, didn't know that! I thought they were attack modifiers, so even though it was cast, it would still be based on an autoattack and thus not go through. I'll have to try this out.

 

A is how you last hit. A is the "Attack" command, just like s is "stop" and H is "hold"

 

Ok. I Finally got into the beta. I have never played this game and no idea where to start other than videos. What's the best character to play as to learn the game and whatnot? Anything you all recommend? I've been following this thread because of my envy.

 

Depends on your play style really, melee, spellcaster, and random grab bag, this game has it all (well not all the heros yet).

 

I am usually more of the melee type so I guess I will try that out first. Thank you, Tsunade.

 

If it's melee, easier ones to try out are Axe, Sven, Phantom Assassin, Bloodseeker, Doombringer, Dragon Knight, Skeleton King, Antimage, Juggernaut, Broodmother and Omniknight. Quite newbie friendly ones with good skillsets for starters.

Oh my that's most of the melee heroes ._.

For fun one is Spiritbreaker. Run across the map to charge head on to an enemy hero

Advanced-ish one is probably Sand King, Spectre, Kunkka, Tiny, Pudge, Brewmaster , Lifestealer and Beastmaster. They tend to have different than normal hit them until they die playstyle.

Supporty ones include Sand king, Omniknight, Tidehunter Treant Protector, Sven and Earthshaker. Mostly has teamfight winning abilities and can babysit their lane partner or help get kills for the lane.

I want to win button is Lycan, Antimage, Chaos Knight and Nightstalker. Want to win, go for these ones. Just build them right and play them right.

Weird one is probably Alchemist... And Lone Druid if TearTaker constantly uses Lone Druid's Bear Form ._.

If you're into illusions, Phantom Lancer and Chaos Knight. Because having one of you is simply isn't enough. Let's have 4-7 of you.

Spellcaster-ish melees are Tiny, Undying, Earthshaker, Dark Seer, Ogre Magi. Relies more on spells rather than whacking to death.

Late Game mega carries are Faceless Void, Phantom Assassin, Antimage, Spectre, Juggernaut. These ones have the job of farming early game, dominate late game and win the game for the team ._.

Gankers are Rikimaru, Bounty Hunter, Bloodseeker, Earthshaker, Tiny, Nightstalker, Sand King, Clockwerk Goblin and Pudge. These ones loves to appear out of nowhere from the jungle, help the lane kill an enemy and then disappear into the darkness. Barely be seen in the minimap. Once seen, someone's going to die.

 

Thank you for that reply Baka. I appreciate it greatly. I am about to play my first game. I will let you all know how bad it goes.

EDIT: Just got done playing my first match. I had no prior knowledge of the game before playing- nothing. So I was really bad but got the hang of it and the controls I think pretty early. We had a guy quit halfway through. We still won somehow. Teammates must have been good haha. I played as DragonKnight. I only got one kill- I know, pretty bad. Anyways, I kept going down the same lane in the beginning and kept dying and realized to keep mixing it up before chargin in. The wisp kept killing me a lot. Hard to run away from it. I just read a guide as well and will save it for future reference. Still know a whole lot of nothing about the game haha

 

First game a Nature's Prophet, man is he fun! Just tangle up enemies in the beginning, super fun gank.

 

To add to Baka's comprehensive guide: Huskar and Axe are also not for the squeamish. You have to tread pretty close to death sometimes to get the kill.

 

Baka suggests playing some bot games preferably with some forum members to get down the basics ._.

-Points at Hime-

That one plays alot

 

If you want a very easy hero, start with Lion or Lich. Excellent lane control because:
Lion: Long range, 2 disables, 2 nukes, mana steal for spammage
Lich: Long range, big nuke, bigger chain nuke (this one requires some skill), mana restore/deny for spammage

 

Lich and Lion IMO require somewhat decent mana management in the beginning. Spamming your nukes early on will get you killed later on (when you need Lion's Q, and you have no mana).

Bloodseeker is an easy hero to play, I play him alot.

Dragonknight is good for beginners, he has decent armor and health regen with his passive, and a durable tank hero.

And yes to add, Axe's whole playstyle is for you to be engaged in combat, that is how his Counter Helix works, you have to be attacked to get the bonus damage. Huskar's fire arrows require health, and his ultimate requires a good chunk of his health while his passive benefits from low health.

 

But Huskar is ranged ._.

 

I've been having some great games lately. had a round with spiritbreaker where I went 15-4, followed buy a round with Void going 19-3. Then today I played a good OD, ending up with 17 kills and 5 deaths. was pretty happy those rounds. (of course the void round I had a good team that let me farm all sorts of goodies up, I had a BKB, daedalus, vlads, Assault Cuirass, treads and an aegis to top it off)

 

Baka tried out Undying ._. Went 16-3-something. Quite a fun but slightly hard to use hero

Baka hates fighting Bane

 

I thank you all for the help. I'll be playing a game or two tonight and I'll let you all know how it goes. One question though, is there a way to make the camera follow you? So I don't have to keep mousing over the map. Or is that nooby and I should just right click on the mini map where to go?

 

Long press on your hero's picture or hold down F1.

 

Thank you. That should be helpful, good sir.

 

I came across an invite from a friend a while back, and I have been playing kinda off and on, as its my first moba. I have pretty decent game knowledge so far, but still pretty nooby. I really want to start grinding it out to get better.

Any lower level players want to get some games in with me so we can make mistakes together?

 

I'm almost always on like 11 pm - 3 am EST...so like 11 am - 3 pm Japan time.

I'm a super pro Witch Doctor, 2-8-13! lol

 

Baka tends to play about 4-7am Baka's time ._. About Singapore's time so an hour before Japan time or something :x So maybe... 5-8am Japan time?

Baka does not teach well ._.

 

Played a lot of games as Thrall this weekend. He's quickly becoming my new favorite. I love how kinetic field can be used, not only offensively, but defensively as well. There were many times when team fights didn't go so well and me and another teammate had to run back. I'd place the field in the tight opening after we crossed to block it off. He can be pretty killer with his combos too. Kinetic field, then thunder strike, then ulti, static storm, and then glimpse if an opponent decides to try and run. The only thing that sucks is when you go against people who have spells that can can bypass the kinetic field (ie, Omniknight's repel, AM/QoP's blink, or Mortred's phantom strike) or people who know to get items that get you from point a to point b (ie, force staff, blink dagger) or spell block items (ie, linkens).

Also played an inny with some friends and we did captain's mode. That felt really pro just strategically figuring out who to ban and who to play to counter the other team's picks.

Haha! I like this description a lot.

 

Baka does enjoy Disruptor too but Baka simply does not trust other people to carry most of the time ._. People tends to get too kill happy and in the end always fail to get kills and miss out of farm and be weak late game

 

Haha I can see the truth in that one, Baka! haha.

I don't mind playing the support role. The way I see it is the carries are only as good as their supports. If I can lane with a carry and take all measures to get him fed (ie, set them up for last hits, wards to avoid ganks, harassing the opponent, setting my carry up for the kill, etc), then all should be well. However, I have been thinking abuot playing a semi-carry Thrall. 0_0. I wonder if that'll even work....

 

Semi-Carry Thrall indeed works with the help of Veil ._. The AoE effect is as big as the wall and the ult itself. Combine it with Shiva's Guard and Arnski's set to kill

 

I have played with a Veil and now that was fun. Trapping enemies in the field and then placing the Veil effect in there and then ulti + Q and it was bye-bye birdie! I'll have to look at try it with Shiva's =)

Matter of fact, the game where I got Veil was the hour and fifteen minute long game I had this past weekend! We really went toe-to-toe with the Radiant. We'd get a tower...they got a tower....we got a rax...they got a rax....we won a team fight...they won a team fight...so on and so forth. It got the point where I had so much money, I didn't know what other support items to get to help us, so I jsut got a veil. Needless to say, we got cheesed by their Furion. It was such a close game because our beastmaster was trying to cheese them as well. I've never seen such a pro beastmaster.

I just saw this post from you, Baka, and I have to agree with you again. haha. Bane has such an insane lane presence. That nightmare spell has such a huge range. I tend to bum out when I'm a melee in a lane against bane =|

 

<3 Carry Doombringer, and a doomed Silencer is good as useless. End game, Vanguard, almost had Heart of Tarrasque, Assault Cuirass, Phase Boots, Radiance, Magic Wand.

Also I had a good game as Crystal Maiden, she's not terribly difficult to play, but her ultimate...not super useful.

Bane isn't awfully useful in a team fight, only in ganking. And the longer a match goes on, the less useful Bane/Zeus/Axe and other early gankers become.

 

Can't wait for this game

 

Her ultimate's extremely useful and can turn around teamfights. That's the hard part for her if Hime wants to use her properly :/ Just because Hime can't use it at the right time doesn't mean it's not "super useful"

 

Not super useful in the beginning of the game, I would level up Frost Bite and Crystal Nova first which allows her to perform early gank. The only thing I can forsee her ult being good is after everyone has popped their stuns/Q/ults and are on cooldown, you sneak in with Shadow Blade and pop ultimate. The problem is her ultimate is channeling, so any stun and it is interrupted.

 

Depends on when you cast Freezing Field. I almost get kills when casting it but it takes practice. Not really afraid of stuns since either they use it on me or they use it on our carry so they have to choose well.=)

 

Of course it all depends, Crystal Maiden isn't super hard to use, but she requires brains to play. Only the dummies spam their abilities until they have no mana left, then they are screwed when they really need it (Tide, CM, Vengeful). You only use your skills if you are about to die or you are guaranteed a kill (use frost bite on low health melee hero, then spam Q). CM should easily get a first blood within 2-3 minutes or help a teammate out get first blood.

 

Yeah I'd have to agree about CM's ult not being super useful right away, or at least, not worth getting right away. I like to watch a bunch of tournament play and I've noticed that most tournament players would rather max out crystal nova or frostbite first, even arcane aura, before freezing field just for the pure fact that it's channeled. Nova and frostbite are way better anyways for ganking and ensuring kills for your carries. I've been thinking of trying some CM play...might do that today.

Tried some dark seer play yesterday and oh mannn it's fun getting into the middle of the fight with ion shell, vacuuming the enemies on you, and then popping the wall. One thing I couldn't do properly is roam and gank =\. When I played the 5v5 inny with my friends, the one who played dark seer did it effectively. I'll have to watch that replay to see what he did....