GTA V discussion

Maybe you should try without the mod first.

 

Without the Mod, there was no stuttering whether I had hyperthreading enabled or not.

 

means the mod is causing the problem.

 

Is that not enabled by default?

 

Ordered these TB shirts

http://shop.maker.tv/collections/total-biscuit/products/total-biscuit-house-biscuit-tee

http://shop.maker.tv/collections/total-biscuit/products/60-fps-tee

 

Someone is sure cashing in on that PCMasterRace fad

 

Hyperthreading was enabled by default on my rig but I had been experimenting to see if there was any gaming performance differences. Since I didn't notice any I kept it disabled because my CPU temps were slightly lower.

The GTA Mods use scripts to call functions in game so I assume doing so does take more CPU processes up. If anyone else wants to try the Mod, it is very simple to install but you won't be able to go online if you use it.

You can get it here.

To install you just copy over a few files and the .dll in the scripts directory. I like being able to listen to the music where ever I am and you can put headphones on if you want to. I might install the default radio script as well so I can always start with my own music.

 

Ah ok, I was confused at first because I'm pretty sure I've checked my cores and hyperthreading was working. I don't know why they would ever disable it though...

 

But it's some nice artwork.

 

I doubt any rig would have HT disabled as a default but there has been some question as to whether it helps or hinders gaming, so it is worth experimenting with. Some suggest that games handle 4 Cores better as opposed to 4 Cores and 8 threads.

 

There is no detriment to enabling hyperthreading whatsoever, EXCEPT in the case when one program is using a certain core heavily (well over 80%) and another, unrelated program is using that core's hyperthread. But such instances are very very rare, and usually are forced by the user. Disabling hyperthreading as far as I can see only offers detriments.

 

On a quad, probably not, but it can benefit 6 and 8 core CPUs in some games to disable HT.

Only downside to having HT enabled on a quad is that it can make it hard to tell when you're CPU-bound. For example if a game can max out 4 physical threads (say a 4690K) and you have 8 logical threads available (say a 4770K) then you are CPU-bound at 50% usage.

 

i can see you buying the 60fps tee

 

The link is dead. I would not buy a piece of clothing sight unseen.

 

link is not dead.

http://shop.maker.tv/collections/total-biscuit/products/60-fps-tee

 

Your first one was

 

both still work for me.

 

Now both links are working for me. Before, the first one was showing it couldn't find the item. Guess the website was buckling under the strain of rabid PCMR fanboys flooding in to buy the shirt.

 

True but isnt that usually because the game was poorly coded for hyperthreading?

 

Yep. I bet most games are only just starting to get multi core support and many may still be originally intended for less cores or threads.

 

Anyone want to trade race wins? So annoying that you have to win a certain amount of races to be able to upgrade your cars in online mode.

 

If I had time I'd offer to help, criminal records is the way to go though.

 

Wow, so I haven't run the game on my laptop in a couple weeks and I certainly didn't read anything about optimus being fixed in the patch notes I rarely saw. I just got done patching it and running it and optimus is fixed but I see 720p still causes a letter box (display will not stretch it even though every other game and program I have will stretch when lower then native resolution) ..

But thats OK! Cause when I went back into 1080p I found I was getting pretty awesome frame rates! In fact using PS4 settings I was getting an avg of 22fps, although it was impossible for me to use high resolutions textures with only 2gb ram. I adjusted down a little and found having shaders at high was the biggest hit for me. So now it is looking real good at 1080p where as before the optimus fix, 1080p was not really playable. There must have been something more then a simple gpu detection crash before hand. Here was my settings breakdown.

Feature Level: 11.0
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4500U CPU @ 1.80GHz (4 CPUs), ~2.4GHz
8192MB RAM
Intel(R) HD Graphics Family, 2087MB, Driver Version Unknown
Graphics Card (Nvidia 745m)

=== SETTINGS ===
Display: 1920x1080 (FullScreen) @ 60Hz VSync ON
Tessellation: 0 (on a "15 screen, I am never going to see those details)
ShadowQuality: 2
ReflectionQuality: 0
ReflectionMSAA: 0
SSAO: 1
AnisotropicFiltering: 4
MSAA: 0
TextureQuality: 0
ParticleQuality: 1
WaterQuality: 0
GrassQuality: 0
ShaderQuality: 0
Shadow_SoftShadows: 0
UltraShadows_Enabled: false
Reflection_MipBlur: true
FXAA_Enabled: false
TXAA_Enabled: false
CityDensity: 0.500000
PedVarietyMultiplier: 0.500000
VehicleVarietyMultiplier: 0.500000
PostFX: 1
DoF: false
HdStreamingInFlight: false
MaxLodScale: 0.000000
MotionBlurStrength: 0.000000

(irrelevant info removed)

AVG frame rates for all test were 32fps or higher.

 

I'm gonna be really honest here... I'm glad you have the game working and you enjoy it and all, but I wouldn't even bother trying to play it at that point in your case. I'd just wait for a new PC.

 

Huh, for some of us that would be a very very long wait.

In other news, is it me, or is the game really short? I'm already at the last heist, and I recon there won't be a lot of story missions after that.
State of San Andreas also feels kinda small. Beautiful, but small.
Other than that I have no other complains.

 

There aren't many, and Los Santos is small. It has a lot of the "same old same old" and lacks the variety that San Andreas had, as well as the extra islands. In other words, it's a large map of empty/worthless space.

Also, the game has a lot of extra activities in it, but they hold no real purpose. Like, in GTA SA, you could do fire truck missions for fireproofing and finishing police missions would improve your body armour, and finishing the pimping missions would let hookers pay you instead of the other way around, and some of the girlfriends would help (like the cop girl not confiscating your weapons if you get busted, or the nurse not letting your weapons get confiscated if you die) etc.

GTA V has... tennis. And Yoga. I can't even enter the airport after earning my pilot's license without getting a wanted level. It sucks.

 

I saw some videos of the latest iCEhancer for GTA V which claimed to remove "fog". Don't you know, it ain't LA without all the smog.

 

Yeah, I dislike this too. At least in SA once you get pilot's licence you are free to enter any airport.
But what if I buy a hangar? Will wanted level still be present?

 

you can only access that hanger where you bought it, I think.

I also disliked that I couldn't buy a bunch of safe houses/garages/etc. So sad.

 

Also, car tuning really sucks. Was it that hard to make more customizing options? And they threaten to ban players for using mods after releasing such an empty game. Pffff!

 

Yeah. As I said, GTA V is not a bad game in itself, just like Dark Souls 2 isn't a bad game in itself, etc. The problem is that compared to previous iterations, it's not good. It feels more like a GTA clone than GTA. The police have TERRIBLE AI, and will respond to kills anywhere in the game world within seconds, even if nobody was around to see you and this other guy punch deep in the mountains. Literally. Mountainside, ONE GUY around, nobody else for miles, punch him till he's KO'd, you got the cops on your ass. WHY. HOW. WHY. That is not how things work.

Especially since they tied strength to HP, and you can't fight people. Also, crashes in cars etc affect your body armour before your HP, but being punched affects your HP only. That's stupid as hell.

Also how you don't get paid for most of the missions in the game, and if (like me) you get broke because you buy stock in a mission because the guy hints at you to buy stocks, then restart, then lose all $250,000 of your cash and end up with no stocks, you spend half the game 100% broke, because no matter how many missions you do, you're broke till the next heist.

No gaining various extra safe houses, no extra islands/areas to explore, no outlandish items like the jetpack to find, etc.

GTA V is many things, but it isn't a very good GTA game. It's a very good GTA clone game, where its own mechanics are done fairly well, but that's all I could really say about it. I like it and I'll be putting a lot of time into it as I put into all games of its nature, but I can't exactly say it's the best GTA ever. Not even close. San Andreas still has that crown and it isn't giving up that crown anytime soon.

 

And no Harrier...

 

Harrier exists, though in GTA Online only. When you finish prep for a specific heist, you get the ability to buy a harrier. Not seeing it in SP yet.

 

I didn't know that. That's great. I'm guessing I've got alot of grinding ahead to afford it.

 

+1 - seems backwards

 

Was that really directed at my post? Cause you have no idea what you are talking about. The game looks DAMN good at those settings on a 15 inch 1080p display (ips too). I have this running on my main computer with a 970 FTW+, so I know what is like running with all the eye candy. I found the toned down settings to be pretty impressive still, way past the original ps3 visuals and plenty enjoyable.. if you are stuck playing your games on a 15 inch display anyways.

 

Guess again. His laptop is 17.3".

 

Well having it on a new PC is a different story, if you only wanna play it turned down when you're away. I was speaking as if all you had was that laptop XD.

Also, I have a 17" 120Hz panel thank yew very much

 

Ah, you guys aren't that bad. At the Witcher forums, people with Titan X's are asking if they can get Ultra settings @ 60FPS on 1080p. Just to show off.

I asked if my laptop could do high settings @ 45, and the moderators there said that current-gen ones would outperform my laptop by leaps and bounds.

What the heck? Last I checked, the i7-4710MQ is some eight to ten times more powerful than the AMD low-power stuff they have inside the PS4 and XB1. Also, my 860M is quite a bit better than the 660...

I very quickly made myself scarce after that.

This is the post in question.

 

I don't know where "half the min requirement" comes from, but if a 750Ti can do it you can do it. Just look for those people.

Also, SOMEBODY want to explain where the hell this bottleneck is coming from in GTA? This game hates the water or something? I'm nowhere *NEAR* my performance limits.

Spoiler

Edit: OMG I FOUND ONE WORSE WHY IS THIS GAME DOING THIS CRAP

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I HAVE A PC PLEASE PROCEED TO USE THE REST OF IT GTA V

 

An 860M is roughly equivalent to a 750 Ti/650 Ti Boost, which is a bit slower than a 660: http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1039?vs=1130

The PS4 GPU is equal to an R7 265, which like the 660 is a bit faster than your 860M (750 Ti): http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1127?vs=1130

Remember Witcher 3 on PS4 is 1080p capped at 30 FPS. Your 1300/1425 overclocked 860M is a little faster than a stock 1200/1350 750 Ti but still not quite at the level of the PS4's GPU. So matching the PS4 graphical settings at 1080p30 is probably the best result you can hope for.

Bro that's a CPU bottleneck. I see several threads at or above 50%. Notice in the 2nd shot how your GPU usage and FPS went down while CPU usage went up.

 

Actually the second shot's CPU usage was from a livestream that I paused for the 1st screenshot to make sure.

Here is what CPU bottlenecked looks like:

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In that shot, I don't have any streams running or anything either.

Whatever the bottleneck underwater is, it is NOT CPU or GPU.

 

ROFL your first sentence was like inception. It made no sense to me whatsoever.

Anyhow, the fact that your CPU usage is higher than your GPU usage in every shot clearly shows me where the problem is. Honestly I don't think I've ever seen anyone with the kind of severe GPU underutilization that you seem to have in every single game.

 

The first shot I took (36fps) I paused a livestream I was watching on 2nd monitor to make sure it wasn't the stream screwing with the game.
The second shot I took (13fps) I left the stream on because pausing the stream makes no difference to the framerate in that scenario.
The third shot I took (58fps) no stream was running as the broadcaster went to sleep for the night.
This fourth shot I'm putting below this sentence is one of those gooood times.

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And yes, this would be why I want a solid 4+Ghz processor asap, as well as 900M cards (so I could cool it). Most of these new games are devouring my 3.5GHz i7. If I could keep it at 3.9GHz I would, but the tradeoffs for 3.8GHz aren't good enough for the heat. It sounds like it's small, but that extra 100MHz can go a pretty long way. Anyway, the point when GTA stops taking CPU power is at "80%" in task manager for Windows 8. In Throttlestop, that's about "66%", but sometimes other things on the PC take CPU power. In particular, when I play GTA, there's a program called "ntoskrnl.exe" that can suck a whole 5% CPU. It averages at 2-3% but I've seen it at 10% in bursts sometimes. No other game causes it to work like that. I read online that that's an umbrella program that handles a subset of other services, and each other program you run affects it differently, and sure enough, it maxes at 0.5% CPU when I close GTA. So GTA is doing something on the PC that causes other things to use more power.

I've even tried closing everything but GTA and Steam before. If it made any difference in FPS, it was negligible. In fact all I notice when having a few other things running (except a livestream on twitch) in GTA is that my max CPU usage seems to go a bit higher than when I have GTA alone. It really doesn't pass that 80% in task manager no matter what I do.

Besides, even Halogod and Tbonesan confirmed that they had problems using SLI in the game, and smoother experiences are had with single GPU and high clocked CPUs, especially if you force the settings high to force a GPU bottleneck. Since I don't use MSAA and have everything but grass, reflection MSAA, Shaders and particles on max, I don't hit a GPU bottleneck all the time. If I was on a 60Hz screen I would keep MSAA on all the time and probably max everything else too and just limit to 60fps, because I wouldn't benefit from the times I'm in the 80s and 90s.

 

What you really need is DSR

 

A desktop would be even better.

 

Man, wait till I modify this machine.
Spare backplate which I'll cut out or file away for extra airflow
Two 980Ms (if I can find a BGA repair shop, I'll attach extra VRMs like Meaker did) (I'm not finding a BGA repair shop) or 980M refresh maybe
better CPU heatsink
4940MX
16GB 2133MHz RAM
Extra PSU for when I REALLY wanna shut up desktop owners

 

Well as of right now, those two are the same thing since mobile DSR isn't a thing yet

 

uhh..MY laptop is 15 inch. I have no idea nore cared what he was running. He was commenting on how it would look with my laptops settings, and IMO it is still a visually impressive game at my laptops specs. I mean some of us have played through the whole game already on last gen consoles.

 

Wow.. you think the objects on the sea floor are flooding the directX framework with to many calls?