GTX 285M vs. ATI 5870 mobile

I feel this test is implying that the same process yields different results when rendered in different GPU's. Can this be the case ? http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=745&type=expert&pid=7
How is this possible ?

I thought I understood these things, but now I'm wondering if the difference is because he didn't capture the same frame or if it's because the programs have two different codecs optimised for the two cards ?

 

Except CorAVC 2.0 is better than both

 

*Sigh* children For an individual Card the 5870 is a beast currently. the 285 is a great card too tho not as powerful as an inividual card. individually the 5870 is better. the SLI 285 is in its own respect great as well. should the tech becomes avalible to xfire 5870 THEN we can argue at how they compare with dual cards. as it sits the 5870 is a great way to go if you want to maximize performance while staying price savy and lighter. the sli 285 is if youre willing to spend more for a larger system and a decent graphic boost.

 

The best graphics solution is Intel GMA.

 

It seems that people are not only comparing performance but the overall machine, what features each cards has and also the cost performance ratio. Not only in the us but in he uk as well.

 

Oh yeah, it sure is.

 

lol gosh i got to page 3 before reading everyones opinion.

i know that of the two cards i want the 5870. The thread clearly states which is the better of the two.
Why the hell do we have to start saying "yea but in sli" all i see is Sli, sli, sli, We know sli wins hands down. we not trying to find out the best card combinations.
The two best cards atm is the 5870 and the gtx 285. the ati card is better is beter for now.
Im sure the manufacturers release there top end carda about 6months apart so its kinda hard to judge it completely fairly. before we know it the 380m will be out then u will be comparing which one is better out of the 380m vs 5870. and again the 380m will reign till the 6870 makes and so forth.

I own a card eqivalent to a 9600m gt gddr3. So id be really pleased to bealble to get around 33fps in ultra high graphics. as opposed to it in low/medium.
Its the 5870

 

i'm sorry but i think the 4870 is better then the 285m.

 

This is wrong, if Nvidia does release anything before 4Q 2010 it will be a rebadged 2XX series card, and the performance will be the same. Right now, as was just posted, last generation's 4870 still beats a Nvidia 285. Nvidia's only chance at beating ATI now is to get FERMI into laptops. Considering how much difficulties they had for their desktop release and the fact that their dekstop cards are the most power hungry oversized fire scorching GPU's ever created I think they might have a little more difficulties getting them into notebooks.

 

Agree....Some stock benches of the 285sli are coming out BTW and the GPU scores are pretty underwhelming on vantage. I'm doubting even the 285 is better then the 4870 in either single or SLI config.

 

4870 xfire at stock are about 10% faster then 280's from experience. 10k gpu score vantage vs 10600 or so

The 285's are about 10% faster again from reports i have seen (cant confirm yet as i havent got my unit till tomorrow)

so it should be close fight

and you can bet donah and i wont just be benching vantage will we dondah

Pman vs Dondah round 2

 

no. we will bench everything. anyone anytime.

except that we get 11,300 now on vantage stock because the 10,600 was dell stock driver. but so was the 285m when justin ran it. so we still have to wait.

when pman when????

 

Just ran this with the only driver i can get to run without too much stuttering,

bout 10% in it

I getting my new machine tomorrow, gimme day or so to get the tools etc working and my head around it

should be in shape for a few over the weekend

edit that is 280's btw

 

editttttttttt nvm xD

 

QFT. Most of the perf improvements over time have more correlation with die shink than with architecture improvements in the notebook world. On the desktop the architecture improvements have all been accompanied by higher power draws. 285M is a good chip, and most games that actually use DX11 you can't see the differences yet. It may be there later, but not yet. Still doesn't mean NV shouldn't get off their duff and build a mobile DX11 chip, but the 285M is a good chip. Does saying that make the 5870 "bad"? No way! The 5870 is a super chip. Failure to CF it is probably more a power issue since those SLI/CF interfaces take up power if even a small amount. But anyway, 5870 is the only DX11 chip in the mobile sector. That is a strong statement and something a lot of folks are after when they purchase. Notebook chips have to live the life of the notebook unchanged (in most cases) so getting the latest DX compatibility is considered by many to be plain old smart buying.

If that's not something high on your wishlist, the 285M in SLI is a fine chip too. 4870 is no slouch either and that comes in CF format. But of your original choices:

single chip 5870 is stronger than 285M
SLI 285 beats a single 5870 because 5870 does not come in Crossfire (yet)

 

I think that's only in benchmarks. In games most go to the 285 (one can debate whether that's because of TWIMxxx $ but anyway).

Again, it shouldn't matter much because if you can make the argument that it's 50/50 in games then you will get a higher performance in some game you play with either setup. So then you go on features. Possibly the 4870 is cooler, so that's certainly useful in a machine. If the two are tied, I go with the better drivers of NV myself, but that's a choice that no two make the same way.

But getting outside of Vantage and 3D06, 285M and 4870CF are a matter of preferences and choices of strengths.

I will add that if you feel they are noticeably faster in games having the two side by side, well that would be irrefutable

 

Actually after a year of promising this ATI still has not delivered them. They have working betas, so that's a good sign, but I'm not giving them credit for monthly drivers till I see them several months in a row. Before that, this is purely a promise that has not seen reality.

 

They did not promise this for a year. They just announced it a month ago.

And the previous attempt was no the fault of ATi. Want to blame someone, blame the OEMs. Before it was an Opt In system and companies did not want drivers from ATi.

This time around it's an Opt Out program and again, it will depend on if OEMs remain supportive or opt out.

And as a Nvidia user for many years, I thought Nvidia drivers were trash for all the years I used them. And reason I went back to ATi is because they have a steady monthly driver update not random crappy betas that fry your card. Trying to find the right drivers is a nightmare on Nvidia. Your opinion, my opinion do not agree at all.

 

LOL forge give me ur face.. i really want to punch u... i tried playing computer games with Intel GMA's on desktops for 5-6 years and they hardly could play them... i suffered

Very TRUE!

I have a feeling pman is going to eat some crap when his SLI 285M's get beaten by 4870 xfire...

 

There's already been plenty of opinions on that in the M17x owner lounge when a good 20 users returned or exchanged their machines to get 4870's when they came instead of the 280's and from Don himself

I think the majority opinion is the 4870's run smoother/better, mainly due to the latency and audio/video stuttering associated with the 260/280's.

 

yes. i had the 280m gtx sli in my notebook already. (i kind of forgot. lol.) and moving to the 4870 crossfire i notice that there is a performance difference from the 280m gtx sli. i have also like my notebook more and took it off for sale after getting the swap for 280m gtx sli. i can't deny that. lol.

 

that i might do!

but at least i will have fun doing it, me and dondah done this before eh mate?

 

I understand completely. Although I am in the process of trying to build a portable desktop

 

of course. 3870x2, 9800m gtx, 280m gtx sli, and now 285m gtx sli vs 4870 crossfire.

 

285M and 5870 compared by notebookjournal.de.

http://www.notebookjournal.de/tests...00-dtx-ati-mobility-radeon-hd5870-nkmo-1121/1

 

And another review from notebookcheck.com.

http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Deviltech-Devil-9700-DTX-ATI-HD-5870-Notebook.27057.0.html

 

thanks man, gives me some perspective!

 

And there's quite a few now who are jumping towards the R2 because they still had issues with the R1 despite the aforementioned replacement. And no offence to my friend Don here, but even he would like some of that I7 loving.

True.

Also, if I may add, we are on a path to resolution with a beta driver, which has virtually eliminated the latency issue. Some have managed to avoid this issue without the beta driver by disabling visualizations in Media Player and using Windows Vista. In fact, in-game performance shouldn't be effected by the cards since the spikes in DPC were directly linked to the PowerMizer in the Nvidia cards. (F.Y.I. Problems and random spikes are still effecting some people, regardless of GPU brand, including in-game stuttering. It isn't just about the GPUs, and in some cases, it isn't about the GPUs period.)

 

oh dondah....

stock on new machine

no tweaking or anything out of box...

 

It is about the chipset. Currently the 2** series are on 9400m series chipsets

 

The 285s in the picture above aren't

 

That stock score for the 920 is too low did you check your temps?

 

temps were fine, didnt exceed 60

what should stock for the 920 be?

just ran it again at stock scored 10850 CPU score

 

Your score is what a 720 should score.

This is mine stock.

 

only a 1500 off my 5870m with a overclock

 

Here is what a 720 scores:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=45523&d=1266683492

 

hmmm feck

what is the best way to try and trouble shoot?

 

Are you in high performance mode?

Looks like windows throttled it.

If it got over 80c I may have throttled( i know what you said)

overclock and see if it increases

 

Yes check your power performance settings and test with some of the tools I PM'ed you.

 

hdmonitor showing that not breaching 60 degrees, i have clocked up using the built in bios and got to 13k

but if i should get that at stock im missing something somewhere

 

nice pman. I guess i should get serious to. I thought this was going to be a walk in the park.

ok. I also have to get ready that number out the box is high.

 

Yes, that's why you have to check to make sure your cpu is not throttling.

 

is hyperthreading on?

it doesn't seem so...

check the task manager.

 

I remember getting 11.4K GPU stock with the 9.12 drivers.

 

My response was to the statement about how M17x owners are trading for the 4870 Xfire configuration, which doesn't exude the 'stuttering/popping/DPC' flaws of the 280s. Obviously, the issue isn't restricted to just the 2** cards on that machine, as plenty of xfire owners have expressed complaints about issues pertaining to drops in frame rate and what not else.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=434691&page=314

 

cant find anything about hyperthreading in task manager

first time with i7 so i have no clue lol

 

If you see 8 cores then hyperthreading is on.

 

I hate using my phone I want to type more.

go in the task manager and use the part that shows the cpu percentage. If you see 4 hyperthreading isn't on. If it is 8 then it is on.

 

yeh there is 8 there, and 8 showing on the cpu montor

does this help ?

would this be stock settings for the 920?

 

No that's not. That would top out at 2.8Ghz. It should be 24-23-17-17.