GTX 900M series officially announced by NVIDIA!!!

Do you know if it supports 1, 2, or 3? Sorry =/. I see it only has Displayport, and HDMI, but I didn't know if you can run all 3 off the display port, or not.

 

And the NotebookCheck review for Schenker XMG P505 Pro (new thin Clevo P651SE model) is up (reviewed version had 4870HQ CPU and 4K glossy display).

Unfortunately even with new Maxwell GTX 970M it seems just as hot as old GTX 870M Kepler based of GS60 Ghost Pro (3K display version) - max 76 C on chassis outside, over 100 C CPU in stress test

That means its GTX 980M version is going to be even worse, unless its 0.5 cm extra height does some magic.

Meh, that puts this model out of my considerations.

Test Schenker XMG P505 (Clevo P651SE) Notebook - Notebookcheck.com Tests

 

I emailed them about which thermal paste they used and they responded back to me. I forgot the brand but its not IC Diamond and I asked if they could use IC Diamond if I were to buy a laptop from them and they said yes they could do that. So if you're interested, I would email or do a live chat and ask them since it never hurts to ask before you buy.

 

Anyone can seem to find the gs60(3k) with 6gb of vram ? I looked everywhere but nobody seems to sell it.. Newegg , xotic or even gentech only seem to offer the 3gb version one.

 

its been said you have to wait for it mid to late Oct I believe.

 

I swear if you ever think about shelving that laptop I want your modded backplates and any and all lapped heatsinks =D.

And yeah, I understand that feel too. People are just more likely to consider money-spending as justified depending on what it is. I don't think if you said you were buying a $80,000 car they'd have reacted with near heart attacks.

 

Has it been confirmed that they will actually exist ? Even someone at Xotic confirmed that they are not expecting any of those 6gb models to come (3k screen). Maybe asking MSI would clarify things

 

Thanks for the notice been watching for notebook check reviews hehe

Actually I disagree with your conclusion. This does mean the 970m version is probably not worth getting, the 980m is definitely worth waiting for a review on. In the Notebook Check review they did get those exterior case temps, BUT internally the GPU maxed out at only 74c which is very cool, the problem was the CPU which reached a scorching 100c. However the 980m version will have a thicker case probably for thicker fans, this means the CPU will likely be far better temperatures , and the GPU be about even temps to the 970m. I suspect it will still be warm, but a 10c or so drop in case temperatures would not surprise me at all.

 

Not to mention that Furmark and Prime at the same time is beyond ANY load anyone will ever have in actual usage of the machine...

I love how people are blaming the cool running GPU for the fireball Haswell's heat... -_-

 

Nobody is blaming GTX 970M, I was just stating uncomfortable truths. GTX 980M is not going to be cooler than GTX 970M, CPU will be still the same hot Haswell, so the only saving grace can be if extra 0.5 cm thick chassis will help to offset extra 20 watt from higher-end GPU.

Bear in mind - even if it does compensate for extra GPU heat, it would still be 75 C on outside chassis, so that thicker design would actually need to do even more.

I wish as much as everybody here new GPUs were magic bullets, but unfortunately they can help only so much.

 

15.6-inch 1080p glossy display with AVHA technology (AUO panel) - B156HAN??? I didn't know AUO had glossy IPS panels before, both B156HAN01.2 and 3.0 are matte
15.6-inch 3K display with matte finish and IPS-Pro technology (Panasonic panel) never heard of, gs60's 3k panel is from samsung
15.6-inch 4K display with glossy finish and PLS technology (Samsung IPS panel) lenovo y50's infamous 48hz RGBW pentile panel...LTN156FL02-L01...
15.6-inch 4K display with wide color gamut and IPS technology (Sharp panel) either LQ156D1JX01 or LQ156D1JX02, the former is a 72% NTSC 8 bit IGZO panel used on the toshiba P50t, the latter is NX500 and GX500's advertised 100% NTSC 8 bit IGZO panel which I would guess is the latter

 

I have both machines side by side and I can say without a doubt, the 970M version is both faster and cooler than the 870M in real life use. Don't just go by stress tests.

 

Not released yet

 

Going by the review I would guess the 4K Sharp panel in the XMG is the 72% NTSC version.

EDIT: It mentions Sharp LQ156D1JX01B.

 

I think you're a bit confused. The cooling for those clevos have separate fans for the GPU and CPU. In fact I think the CPU needs a better fan entirely, and should have been cooled with the dual-fans that the GPUs got. But nothing I can do about it. They maybe WERE designed more with broadwell in mind; the iCPU is a bit of a giveaway for that, since the talk was that broadwell was doing away with socketed chips for mobile.

Anyway, you're right the 980M will be hotter, but it ain't exactly going to be like +20 degrees, and it shouldn't affect the CPU much either. In fact, considering my CPU had the thermal paste evaporate off it and my CPU was hitting 95-97 degrees playing CS:GO and my GPU was chilling at 66 degrees, I am fairly certain one part making the other hot without sharing heatsinks is not going to happen.

 

Did you notice the GTX 970M temps? Only 64C after 40 minutes of playing Crysis 3. In that thin notebook! And Furmark maxed out at 75C. OMG! Maxwell is looking extremely promising. Actually beyond my expectations.

Don't pay attention to the 99C for the CPU, because that was Furmark and Prime95 ran at the same time. It have no bearing on real world scenario, not even close.

Need gaming temps to conclude on that CPU. Its typical that Haswell chips run extremely hot. They are too dense for heatsinks and small fans in thin notebooks.
But wait for gaming temps on CPU before going all doom

 

Yeah they really need to stop using Furmark especially, it was bad enough before Maxwell, but now it is even worse. A lot of Maxwells gain in efficiency comes from very fast power fluctuation based on load. Since Furmark forces maximum load it will make Maxwell seem very similar to Kepler. It also is probably terrible on the GPU.

My point though was that the laptop could EASILY handle the GPU heat, even under Furmark (As a matter of fact the case was likely heating up the GPU in that test based on how low the GPU temps were.)

So the only real question is the CPU and Prime95 may be an unrealistic workload, but it was no where close to handling it. On the bright side in even high end gaming there will normally be a lot lower CPU usage, also the model they tested had a i7-4870HQ which is warmer than a i7-4710HQ if its forced to max load. Also the 980m version hopefully uses the thicker chassis for a better fan on the CPU (but the same CPU), which could make for a huge improvement. Plus a repaste, and or some under-volting could make for a large difference too.

 

At least this confirms my suspicions that the 49x0HQ high end socketed chips are pretty much a waste of money due to heat.

But yeah very impressed with Maxwell temperatures.

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Good points about GPU temperatures keeping cool, I missed that Crysis 3 screenshot

That made me wonder - maybe it's actually that new 3-fan design, with a completely separate fan for CPU that makes that new Clevo so hot. GPU (that's already cooler Maxwell) got two fans just for itself, while super hot Haswell CPU just sits there on its own with a single fan.

Other older 2-fan designs share heat conductors between CPU and GPU fans, so kinda both fans can help with both CPU and GPU?

Also another thing, not sure if it's just a coincidence or causal relation, but with old MSI GS60 3K version was much hotter than just 1080p ones. This reviewed Clevo had 4K display, so maybe smaller res screens will be cooler?

 

So XoticPC updated their site and the price of the NP9377 980m SLI went down to $2491 with cash discount. 970m SLI with cash discount is $2040.

 

Amazon.com : MSI GS Series GS70 Stealth Pro-098 17.3-Inch Laptop (Aluminum Gray) : Computers & Accessories

On Amazon now but sold out. Shows 970m 6gb, 512gb SSD & 1TB. Looks like im pre-order here and see how it goes

 

uh cloud you missed one thing, the CPU throttled to 800mhz which automatically takes off the load for the GPU, yes it was 74C w/ Furmark, but that was when the GPU is at 30% load since the CPU throttled too much

 

IGZO panels are pretty expensive tho, not sure how is clevo going with price controls...

 

I tried to put together Clevo innards picture with a temperatures heat map from NotebookCheck review:



It seems that while CPU indeed puts out the most heat (76 C on the back, 51 C on the front), GPU section is still quite hot too (73 C on the back, 48 C on the front).

 

Of course the heat from the fans will be hot. Did you expect anything else with the typical thin fans that only blow small portion of the air? The hot air thats been building up have to go somewhere you know. Thats one of the cons by choosing not only thin but also 15" notebooks I guess. They will be hot. Maybe Clevo should have used 35W CPU instead.

Well the GPU run at 900MHz according to that Furmark screenshot. The GPU throttles because Nvidia GPUs are designed to throttle when using unrealistic Furmark to protect the card.

Crysis 3 however have 99% utilization of the GPU and its running at 64C.

 

What if I run the laptop with good cooler and directly under the AC vent cranked up to freezing? Am I still going to see a lot of CPU throttling with, say the i7-4860HQ in P35x v3 or i7-4870HQ in Aorus X7 Pro, for example?

 

We will have to wait and see what happens. My 4940MX doesn't like to do 4GHz without stupid high heat output unless it's just on one core operation but i also discovered that my heatsink doesn't make contact with the die so...

I don't have a cooling pad or anything, just a 20c ambient temperature and about half an inch additional elevation off the table care of two pill bottle caps but Haswell is just hot period, it amazes me how loud my desktop gets when I push 4.7GHz on my 4790k as my H100i water cooling struggles to get rid of the heat and my 4770k at 4.3GHz was even hotter.

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I imagine a decent cooler is essential for gaming on any laptop.

Zalman NC-3000 cooler makes a huge difference with my old hp envy 15 model. There are quite a few games where my laptop would overheat and shut down without it.

 

Instead of replacing my 880m's I was thinking of keeping my aw18 intact and maybe just ordering a second laptop base config of the np9377 with the 980m's in sli. Besides the 880m do you have any other complaints about the laptop or would you consider it to be a solid buy after your experience with it?

 

MSI GT72 Dominator Pro-211 (980M) - Benchmarks by XOTIC PC: MSI GT72 Dominator Pro-211 (980M) - Benchmarks by XOTIC PC - YouTube

 

I know, I know. I just keep having those unrealistic fantasies of thin, fast and cool(ish)

I would have even preferred if new Maxwells ran slower. GTX 880M levels would be plenty enough for me, or even GTX 870M, but if instead they were cooler than Keplers of equivalent performance (let's say max 50 C outside for 1" thick notebook with ~5,500 firestrike GPU score, instead of 75 C and 7,300 points we got with GTX 970M, that would be awesome).

Well, I guess that's maybe where GTX 960M will come, eventually, one day. I was kinda already ok with GTX 860M, but now it just feels too slow with those new Maxwells out there.

 

Incorrect. With proper paste and max fans here and the back propped up slightly by folded toilet paper under the back laptop feet, even in 35 degree celcius ambient room temp with 70-100% humidity, I can play any game other than BF4 without any part crossing 86 degrees celcius. 86 deg happens in paranautical activity because I can't vsync it and it runs at 260+ fps and it's voxel-based single-GPU graphics. Aside from that, everything is nice and chilly. I usually sit in the 66-74 degree range for my GPUs and in the 70-80 degree range for my CPU (though I often have livestreams up which make things a bit more toasty as chrome won't use hardware acceleration for twitch livestreams).

 

You're thinking opposite of progress right now. If they did this, nobody would get anywhere. We'd barely increase so that we could shove last-generation power into smaller form factors, which really helps nobody but the people who can't deal with a little size for anything. Imagine if the GTX 980 chip was about the size of a GT630 and didn't need a fan, but was only as strong as a stock, reference, non-boosted GTX 770. Nobody would care about it. Laptops shouldn't do that kinda stuff either.

And at least you understand you have unrealistic fantasies =3

 

Yes, I have. I had a Sony VAIO with the ATI 5650 paired with a 1080p screen a few years back and had to often scale it down to 720p. I hated doing that and definitely noticed the difference (which was why I didn't really mind my next laptop, my Samsung in my sig having a native 768p screen at the time). So for me it's native or bust. I may end up going for 1080p version and buy an extra SSD for an aftermarket upgrade, but it's just a shame that the £1600 model doesn't seem anywhere near as good value for money. Would I notice the downgrade in CPU and RAM? The 3K display I'm sure will be beautiful to behold, and I have no issues at all reading small text as I always have to wear glasses 24/7 anyways. I can definitely see the pixelation of 1080p on my Clevo when comparing to my Nexus 5's ultra-smooth display.

It gets a bit more complex in my case. My grandparents are generously helping me out financially for this year at uni. So while I've earned those savings fair and square from my recent job it still doesn't look good to be buying an expensive luxury item - but what they don't know can't hurt them. I've already told them I'm looking to buy a new laptop from my savings but I don't want them knowing exactly how expensive it'll be.

 

Has anyone managed to find a review for the MSI GS60 2QE 970M laptop? Thanks.

 

Courtesy of PowerNotebooks... Review/benchmarks imminent (well within a week most likely):



CLICK THIS ONE TO ZOOM IN AND SEE DETAILS OF THE RUN

 

Aethetics aside, its a solid buy but the CPU heatsink isn't sufficient for heavy overclocking. A base configuration would be no problem.

Really the only thing I would change if I could do my purchase over would be 980Ms with 4910MQ instead of 880Ms and 4940MX.

I would probably even keep the 32GB of RAM for future proofing although 16GB would still be more than enough right now.

If it helps, I still would be unlikely to pick the Alienware 18 over the 9377 if I was doing my purchase over because of the direction that Dell appears to be going with locking everything down. Not to mention the price difference and the customization options.

 

I need a beautiful laptop with 970m in 15 inch format fore less than 1500$.

It's so simple. Why I can't find it.
Clevo do ugly laptop...

 

Technically, with the coolness of the 980Ms, if the 980M heatsinks fit the same as the 680M/780M ones, he could grab a 680M heatsink and a ivy bridge CPU cooler and it'll keep his CPU cool and his GPUs will still be fine, because 980Ms run a lot cooler than the kepler cards did (according to pretty much everyone). So in that case, the machine could be a better deal overall.

 

P650SE is decent looking

P150SM-A isn't half bad either.

 

Any word when these will be in stores?

 

Heatsinks should be the same.

I wasn't aware that Ivy Bridge heatsinks would fit on the P37xSM-A? Or is that a P370EM heatsink? I've been thinking about picking up a P370EM heatsink when I get the new cards actually because of its superior cooling performance.

With that said, I can get 4GHz without throttling under every day use situations, its just too hot for my personal liking. If the fan didn't screech and was more in line with the GPU fans which aren't all that noisy, I'd be fine running the CPU @ 90C on a regular basis. The other day when I dropped the TDP on my chip to keep the fans off so I could see how loud the GPU fans really are, I was amazed to say the least at how quiet the machine was.

 

So when is Broadwell Cpu's coming to our slim laptops to cool things down? September next year?

 

Yep, at least that is what Intel hopes for...

 

Wasn't it supposed to be Q2 2015?

Here are relatively fresh statements by Intel (from September 9, 2014):

It's supposed to be Skylake that should come near the end of 2015:

But yeah, that's what Intel wishes for. We will see what will gods-of-silicon allow, they haven't been very friendly lately, everybody keeps having troubles with smaller processes.

Intel Broadwell and Skylake client CPUs both launching in 2015 - CPU - News - HEXUS.net

 

Yes, the P370EM used ivy bridge, so I call it the Ivy Bridge heatsink instead of the EM heatsink. I suggest you do so with your new cards, and it should overally cool your system greatly and you will be plumb happy with that there machine =D.

 

Oh yeah that's right, since the new Maxwell cards will run so cool, you could totally sacrifice some slave cooling for better CPU cooling. Btw I still have my P370EM tripe pipe heatsink.

 

I swear, just give me THIRTY MINUTES IN YOUR STASH OF SPARE PARTS. THIRTY. MINUTES. That's all I need.

 

You have everything it seems LOL!

Clevo parts are so expensive, I'm not so sure its worth spending the money on a new heatsink. :|

 

It looks like there will be lots of Broadwell notebook samples at CES in January.

I'm tempted to wait.