GTX 900M series officially announced by NVIDIA!!!

RJTech generally were charging rip off prices for GPU upgrades... It seems at least with this one its quite reasonable..

 

Seriously that RJTech price has me interested in trying to put that in my MSI laptop. That price is more reasonable and does at least have a little warranty coverage, which will be doubled by my credit card provider. Hmmm.. Decisions decisions.

Anyone know the compatibility of Clevo cards being flashed with Dell vBios, or the compatibility of Clevo cards running Clevo vBios in MSI laptops? I've generally upgraded with Dell cards using stock Dell vBios and had no trouble at all. Not sure about Clevos though.

 

I know Clevo cards generally run in Alienware's without many issues.. Don't about MSI though... Also there are no Dell 980Ms so that's a no go currently

 

For my experience with them was that they are pretty good about pricing. They sold the 780M at $750 , kinda interesting to see the 980M be cheaper it might come down to the ~$650 range.

 

Hahaha this is so sick.

Those nuts at eBay charge $1000 for the 980M while RJTech is only at $700.
What a rip off!

 

Yeah, it looks like even the mobile Maxwell cards are cheaper this year and these guys on eBay are just price gouging.

 

I might just upgrade to the 980m now lol just waiting one someone to test it out in a gt70/gt60

 

Those $289+ 1440P (DVI only) monitors on eBay like my X-Star overclock very well. There's a huge thread over on another forum where nearly everyone is hitting 110-120Hz right out of the box. Mine hits 120Hz and looks spectacular in games. Especially the new borderlands.

Edit: unless you're talking about placing a screen in a laptop?

 

I am talking about laptop screens entirely and not desktop screens. I know the original BenQ 1440p monitors were OCable to 120Hz without issue, and that ASUS has 144Hz Gsync monitors out already now... but that does not help us laptop users =D.

 

does the 980m support that flicker feature. I was on blurbusters the other day and it seems like the feature exists but is renamed or bundled into a group of features under a new name. Is this true because i might be willing to buy one of those 1440p screens to play games with that flicker enabled for reduced ghosting/blur...instead of using my CRT that i have to wear a HEPA mask and have windows open so i don't kill myself (burns some nasty stuff off -_-)

http://www.blurbusters.com/zero-motion-blur/10vs50vs100/

now give me this with* OLED mmmmmm or plasma

*with not as

 

OLED has no flicker to begin with thats one of its many advantages along with 0.00 black levels.

Also on that note Please Please Please display panel manufacturers make us a:
1440p 17.3" OLED G-Sync 100% sRGB 120-144hz laptop panel (you can even charge $1000 for it)

 

it does have ghosting due to the images are persistent. Read up on it.

blurbusters have wrote about it

http://www.blurbusters.com/faq/oled-motion-blur/

go play with those phones with AMOLED+ screens and they ghost almost as bad as the SLCD

 

CRT's FTW.

 

i was pissed when it was announced plasma was dead :/ No 4k plasmas really made me mad because those would have been perfect for 4k and g-sync. I wish at least a 1440p plasma was made :/

from what i understand motion blur exists no matter what unless you have a refresh rate high enough where there isn't a static image. So at 120hz you have to have a flicker. If you have a 600+ hz screen like plasma you are ok from what i understand but that means you have to supply a full 600hz and no GPU can push that FPS. The problem is that sample and hold shown in link above.

 

As far as I remember the "600Hz" refresh rates they promoted were not actual refreshes. Those were still locked at 60Hz, and there was... I'm getting the name wrong I know this... a subset refresh rate something. It was a psuedo thing that helped improve smoothness as far as I remember, but the TVs could not display past 60fps.

I remember there being quite a few articles about it because a lot of people kept thinking "oh my 500Hz TV is owning your 120Hz screen shaddup" or something and I had to keep pointing out to them that it wasn't true and that 144Hz is still the highest actual refresh rate monitors could go to. There's supposedly a 240Hz monitor that NASA developed last year I think? Used to watch satellite images.. but it's only a doubled 120Hz image displayed, as they didn't have a connector able to actually push data fully at 240Hz.

 

What I recall is the screen can do it but the ports don't have the bandwidth/ designed to do it so the new dp ports can if made that way

 

I'll have to do some research on it later, but I am certain their ACTUAL refreshes are all 60Hz, and it's just some rendering layer that's got the beefed up refreshes and it helps to add smoothness or something, but it doesn't mean it'll actually refresh at 120/240/etc if you put a proper connector in.

 

Sounds about right w.r.t to TSMC's previous announcement last month. I'd predicted Pascal timeline between 2016-2017 (If 16nm does not get delayed by 1-2 yrs like 20nm, otherwise hypothetically we are looking at a plausibility of Q3'17-18).

Note to be taken - The article does highlight the fact that TSMC doesn't seem to have issue with yields (20mn problem). I think the delay may be in part due to scaling, allowing density errors to creep in. On a final note, remember that TSMC unveiled its first working SoC chip last month, so things are looking very positive.

 

Now I am tempted to give a go again. I had decided it was too expensive to be worth it at the moment, but this price is somewhat more reasonable. If I could snag $350-400 for my 780m it would make the upgrade worth it. I'm still tempted to just wait for a full GM204 release next year.

Those resellers on eBay have obviously way over inflated the price.

 

You talking about black frame insertion?

 

I wish I could remember man. I just remember reading some articles... maybe on ZDNet or somewhere? I can't remember. It was a long time ago, when the 500Hz/600Hz TVs were all the rage and people thought they were getting better monitors than the 120Hz/144Hz desktop screens and were wanting to pay through their noses for the TVs. But I am just dead sure their actual refresh capped out at 60Hz.

 

Here you go, probably the best post about this topic, Tom Forsyth from Oculus (ex Valve) on Display rate, rendering rate, and persistence (whole post is worth reading):

TomF's Tech Blog - It's only pretending to be a wiki.

 

Boom: SmoothVideo Project (SVP) - motion estimated frame interpolation with any video player and frame doubling in real-time

 

I don't know much about this but 600hz is not as high as 120hz

 

20nm is not delayed...it is dead. it won't exist. 16 Nm should be here 2016 and I doubt it'll be delayed since its already delayed. the last article posted here pretty much cements 2016 16nm

 

That's basically said in layman's what blur buster said in great awesome detail

*facepalm*

 

So if I'm getting this right; it's 60Hz with frame doubling tech going on, then a further set of algorithms adding low-persistence black frames and such, all around aiming for smoothness, and it works well in movie/video-like content, but not so great for more interactive things like gaming. Maybe some 120Hz panels do it too, but end-result is that it's designed to help video watching and 3D video watching rather than something a hardcore gamer would benefit from.

Welp, theory debunked =D.

Still want a 120Hz 1440p 17.3" panel for this machine with two full GM204 chips and a EM CPU heatsink

 

Yep, both interpolated "in-between" frames and inserted black frames, and it's only good for video content, especially fast motion stuff like sports. Not for gaming, that's why the gaming mode on TV's turns this crap off, as the frame processing adds a metric butt ton of input lag. ATM nothing beats true 120/144Hz panels for gaming. I actually don't know if there are any TV's yet that are truly greater than 60Hz.

 

I've never seen any. Anything that advertises this properly is labelled a gaming monitor.

 

120 144 still looks like craps unless u use flicker

 

Don't know if mine has flicker or not, but I don't get any ghosting effects or anything here. I checked for ghosting tests too, still couldn't detect any, but they showed up on my scraptop 2005 HP

 

I think you misunderstood the post out of context. 20nm is dead and I have been quite assertive on that aspect. And 16nm is not going to come unless TSMC is successful with that.

- Maxwell 20nm debacle was delayed by 2 years (2013-2014) and this was because of 20nm issues with yields for high power chips. I was just remembering that episode ( Maxwell speculations ) and saying that we cannot exclude the fact that, TSMC could have similar issues again with 16nm causing delays. I never talked about 20nm being delayed.

 

Just noticed something on the Clevo p650/p651

A couple pictures to compare 1st is from the Notebook Check review (they had a preproduction model)
Second is from a post by Prema : IMAGINE: NEW Clevo Models

Spoiler

Note how in the preproduction Fan F2 was further from the edge than Fan F1, and the vents did not line up properly. In the Prema picture the Vents are moved to the distance of Fan F2, and Fan F1 is also moved further from the edge.

In this internal picture by Notebook Check you can see the third heat-pipe stops after Fan F2, and the two fans are staggered. It appears they have moved Fan F1 to allow that third heat-pipe to be cooled by both fans.

Spoiler

Also if you look at that first set of pictures again you can clearly see what is normally the bottom of the CPU fan showing through the vents, and also see it on the internal picture. On the other picture you don't get a good look due to light angle, but if it was still facing that way you would almost certainly be able to see it still, so it appears they may have altered that fan for better air flow.

 

Even considering that, it does not fix the CPU cooling, which to be quite frank needs more than the GPU. It would have been better if they swapped the current CPU/GPU locations, used SLIGHTLY smaller fans (for space) for the new CPU cooling space, then used the extra space from that to put a slightly bigger fan for the new GPU space. Honestly, with how cool these 970M/980M systems seem to be running, I don't see why they picked the cooling model they did.

Unless... these systems are ACTUALLY designed for broadwell, expecting broadwell to be a far cooler CPU, which would allow a full GM204 chip (980MX, 990M, 1080M, whatever) to be properly cooled in the situation it's currently in. But that's STILL dumb, considering the machines are all integrated, so designing now for next-gen is flat out retarded.

I can't figure out ANY of these manufacturers. I'm not sorry, but I can't. At least where the P37xSMx and P37xSM-A models were concerned, the slave GPU 780M and 880M cards NEEDED all the cooling they could get, so the gimped CPU cooling was a by-product where they chose GPU over CPU. And honestly, unless you're in my kind of heat or situation, it works just fine for the most part; especially if you fold toilet paper and prop up the back of the machine even slightly and/or use max fans. But these new chips are apparently cooler than 680Ms (which were pretty cool), so I don't get why the CPU cooling is remaining so bad.

Edit: I'm sleepy and I may or may not have just wrote mess. I'm leaving it as-is though.

 

Yeah, considering how much harder CPU's are to cool than GPU's, if they gave it worse cooling, that's just retarded design.

 

Doubly retarded given how cool Maxwell runs. Maybe someone fat fingered the memo and typed "Maxwell will run hotter" to the engineers or something. Who the hell knows.

 

eww the laptop comes with soldered CPU and GPU. way of the future sure sucks.

 

Skylake's expected processor line dropped the M as well like Broadwell has... Seems solder is the future for Intel.

 

If by the time I need (not want) a new laptop there are no socketed chips and everything is all slim and integrated, I'm just going to go desktop route and grab a midrange something for class and stuff. The whole tech and videogame industry is ridiculous right now.

 

took the word right out of my mouth. exactly if aw and clevo even their highest end lineup with soldered chip/gpu then i will hop onto mobile desktop. i mean 3 generation of laptop at max cost ~12k, should be able to buy one of these with good spec P321 Rugged Portable Computer | 3x 21.5 Inch LCDs

 

or just get msi gt72 that can manually switch between igpu/dgpu no optimus crap.

 

still waiting for a way to switch between SLI/CFX and intel igpu at a click of a button.

 

Yeah this will be my last high powered laptop. There are zero M-series chips planned for Broadwell or Skylake. H, U and Y plus desktop, no M on either roadmap. Skylake even has a 95W H part.

 

Keep waiting...

 

u know it!! i waited and this happened. http://translate.google.ca/translat...t%C3%A1tiles+Radeon+R9+M295X&biw=1375&bih=848

i should wait longer now

 

the last article confirmed yeilds were good and it is already being delayed to play it safe so i doubt it will be any longer. Some of what your saying has me confused due to either i am not informed on the topic or it just doesn't make sense.

flicker is where you strobe the back light just like blurbusters talks about. It is an effort to simulate CRT response times and remove the sample and hold effect of blurring...you must not remember what smooth picture looked like because on a 120hz screen it looks like crap. Also i question that guys statement about inserting black frames not being good for games...it doesn't match what blurbusters is saying. Inserting a blank frame should be similar as to strobing the back light but i could be mistaken. The whole problem leads to sample and hold.

an unlocked H chip in my eyes is better then an M chip but that runs into the issue of being forced into paying 1k for a chip when normally you could buy it for 300-500 down the road. It at least allows you to get the high performance of the XM/MX chip but forces you to buy it day one. Kinda think its extortion personally.

well...that means its 75% of 980m and even less of the 985m -_- Not saying much. That is kinda of a let down

 

The configuration with 970m seems to be $200 more expensive than the one with 870m from most resellers' pages right now.
Is it likely to drop in the near future, like during holidays?

 

Sad how the desktop 900 series is cheaper than the previous 800 series but for mobile it's more expensive.

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Not a chance. They'll only drop once the next iteration comes out (say the 980mx) in 6 months or so.

 

theya re the same price? its going for 700 or whatever at that one place, which is the price 680m went for on ebay last time