GTX 900M series officially announced by NVIDIA!!!

Probably not. 90 celcius is a dangerous temperature. I think the max a mobile gpu can handle without frying is 105 celcius. If it does not fry it will probably throttle itself because that is what these technologies are coded to do when they get that hot. And you might feel the heat on your hands and it might not feel all too great.

Thanks. Sounds pretty solid. What he said^

 

Yeah I agree on any hq cpu being not future proof since there is no option to upgrade. I think I will be gaming at 1080p for a decent amount of time. I was just wondering is the performance gap between 980m and 980sli huge? If not I would prefer the stability of a single card and msi seems more appealing. However I know that sager is a great brand. I am just not experienced with sli, but my main concern is raw performance.

 

We do not know. I would recommend waiting for people to get their hands on them first. The 880m scaled pretty well. Most cards do. The 980m by itself is unbelievable. But I have only seen a few benchmarks because no one really has one yet. But the rumor for SLI scaling on the 980m is supposed to be around ~57% over 880m SLI. And that is on synthetic benchmarks. It might be higher. My thoughts about MSI gt72 vs np9377 is the sager is cheaper and you get two 980ms instead of one, a better 4810mq cpu that is not soldered and its only $2584.00 on xotic pc. Around there. Why spend more for less? Especially since down the road you could buy the 120hz screen brand new from a vendor? But hey if you like MSI more or their design go ahead. Not for me though.

EDIT: To clarify I mean the 980m SLI is supposed to be around ~57% faster than 880m SLI.

 

Hey guys,

I apologize for repeating a potentially stupid question I asked elsewhere with regards to the GT72's screen, but so far no-one has replied to me and this is something I would really appreciate receiving an answer to. I was wondering if it would be possible to replace the screen on a GT72 2QE (with 980M) by a 120Hz screen? If so, where should I look to do that? And would the 980M, 16 Gb of RAM and 4710HQ be able to handle 120 Hz? Many thanks in advance to whomever will help me

 

Nope, 120Hz need different motherboard than what GT72 got

 

Thats wonderful news, thank you.

Xoticpc's reviews did get a little hotter (90c cpu, 85c gpu), as seen in 3:30 of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9ph-NoBCw8. My concern however is the difference that the 6gb vram chip is going to have. It could be the case that the GS70 is only viable with the 3gb 970m. If you have any thoughts on this, please let me know.

Thanks

 

No. Only models known to support 120hz are np9377, alienware 17, and asus g750. You could buy the 120hz screen but it has to match the connectors on thhe gt72. Just open your gt72 up and tell the online vendor the screen model and they will tell you with beyond a doubt if the 120hz screen will be compatible. But if you really want it why not get the cheaper np9377 and save money? Big drawback to pay more for something and not get what you want imo. Hope I helped.

 

I like your reasoning. You are right, I would be paying more for less. At the end of the day, components get things done, not the design. Thanks a lot you made my mind. About the 120hz screen: I have no clue how to replace a screen. I will probably purchase my laptop on xotic pc, so if I buy the display separately and send it to them, do you think they will replace it? Or is there a better option without voiding the warranty? Thanks

 

If you wanna get more of an understanding about SLI, click on the SLI guide in my sig for an accurate representation of how SLI will work in any system pretty much ever. Short answer though is approximately 180% extra FPS in whatever game you're playing if it supports SLI.

Secondly, if you're doing 1080p BUT you're willing to downsample for visuals, then SLI 980Ms won't be much overkill I am willing to bet. I personally prefer 120Hz but if you can't get it you can't get it... you could buy a compatible screen off e-bay and install it, or request it be done before the machine is sold (and pay the difference I suppose) and Sager might do that (with a bit of fire from XoticPC), so you may get what you want still.

Next, you may wish to do other things with your SLI, like forcing super high AA or using a PhysX card or something if you find a game that doesn't scale with with SLI or something. It's up to you entirely XD. That being said, SLI isn't for everyone and you may simply like a single 980M machine better. I am dead set against a machine with an integrated CPU though, so I'd suggest a P170SM-A or P177SM-A or AW17 for the single 980M usage. Up to you in the end though.

 

We do not yet know about 980m scaling, however signs are good for it.

Synthetic benchmarks it scales near perfectly
970m SLI game benchmarks scale very well: Maxwell Goes Mobile: First GeForce GTX 970M Benchmarks
Arma 3 ~83 to 93%
BF4 ~98%
Farcry 3 ~93%
Grid 2 ~66%

Overall on the 980m SLI thing, my opinion is go single 980m UNLESS:
you get a 120hz or 3D display
you plan to use an external 3k/4k monitor
you plan to use an external 3 monitor setup
you plan to use a VR set (Oculus Rift)

 

I've had a look at Xotic's website and that company looks amazing. So many choices and options. We have nothing like that here in UK. I'm jealous of you lot across the pond!

 

I was replying to your post @bluefox94 and I went to get a link and lost what I typed. Pretty much everything he said though^. Just ask xoticpc and here is the link I was getting: http://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=nstes4o3WRk Just a video of how to replace your laptop screen.

I hope I helped and I am glad you decided to support clevo/sager.

 

The alienware 14 is no longer available with the 765M model in my country. Only ones with 750M GPU's are available. So I mean they are slightly running out of stock? Perhaps making room for the new ones ^^

 

Thanks a lot to you both! I like MSi and the GT72 looks great so I'd like to stick with them (Asus only providing 4 Gb versions of the 980M being another), but if it's easily possible to get an Asus G751 with a 120 Hz screen I'll have to look into it. Cheers.

 

Has this been posted already? Anandtech did a performance review of the GT72 Dominator Pro:

AnandTech | MSI GT72 Dominator Pro: Performance Preview

The full review is of course still incoming. What are your thoughts on the results? I thought the 980M would be a bit closer to the desktop GTX 970, even though things still look great.

 

Anandtech just posted GT72 GTX 980M review.
In average over 8 games, it was 35% faster than GT72 with GTX 880M.

And just as I wrote about earlier, he thinks that the i7 4710HQ is actually bottlenecking the GTX 980M.
The GTX 970 is 25% above GTX 980M which doesnt make any sense if you look at the specs between GTX 980M and GTX 970. And GTX 980M should do better than +35% over 880M. If it wasnt bottlenecked.

So yeah, will be interesting to see if notebooks with better CPUs get better results. :/

 

norrin beat u to it by a few secs ,

Also what have you heard about the 17 inch IPS panels ?



EDIT:
I am disappointed that nvidia didn't release a full gm204 , why must they make me wait ( )

 

If its really bottlenecking the gtx 980m then wth?! So you will be paying $2800 for a slower laptop than the cheaper mq models can offer? $1681 for np8268 with 980m with i7 4810mq and $2006 for same model with i7 4910mq. And $2501 with i7 4940mq. Still cheaper than the gt72 you listed.

 

CPU bottleneck? Crap. Well, I'll have to follow that closely. Potentially that could disrupt my plans to buy a P35X v3... or the GT72 for that matter :/

 

Most of the games I play support sli, which is great. I think I will be brave and go with the sli. I just talked to Xotic but they told me that due to the agreement they cannot do it unless Sager offers that screen again. Well, Sager is getting 980m cards by the end of this month so I will just wait and hope that they would offer 120hz again. If you think about it its a no brainer to offer it since it is much more powerful than 880m sli.

 

Xotic ships to UK I believe. They are really good. Great customer service, good prices and various options.

 

This is MSI we are talking about. The same company that sold GX70 notebooks with a stinking A10 AMD APU that bottlenecked the 7970M beyond hell.

I`m not surprised and I feared that 980M might suffer with the 4710HQ earlier in the speculation discussion we had. :/
People should def hope MSI issue out GT72 SKUs with greater CPUs than 4710HQ.
Or move along with Clevo (MQ chips) and hope Alienware offer better CPU than 4710HQ

You should pay very close attention to reviews of those slim notebooks and hope the CPU doesnt throttle because of heat. Any throttle, it will be worse

 

Great vid! still looks challengin to me but as I explained to D2 Ultima, I have until end of this month to receive my laptop and I am hoping that Sager re-introduces 120hz. Thank you again I think I made a good decision by going with sager

 

I was informed that Clevo is discontinuing 120Hz models, so you likely will not get them again. You could of course buy a screen and a compatible model, either a P370SM-A or P377SM-A and then input it yourself, but you will lack 3D vision functionality unless you buy a separate 3D vision kit with its own emitter. Again though, you probably won't regret it. I have never seen someone regret buying "too much" power before XD.

 

id love this laptop if it would allow 32gb of ram

 

When I get mine I will do a review and replace out the 120hz screen. I'll explain how to swap out the screen on a thread too with step by step. I'll add you so you can check out my threads. I am getting mine near the end of the month too.

 

Why Clevo why?? Well I guess I will try and replace it myself. I'm not a huge fan of 3D, 120hz alone is more than enough for me

 

Oh, good news.

GT72 will have SKU with 4980HQ and 17.3" IPS display.
That CPU will hopefully have enough power to drive 980M and you get IPS

The bad news is that it cost a lot of $$$
ETA: November
XOTIC PC | MSI GT72 Dominator Pro-445 - 17.3" Gaming Laptop with NVIDIA GTX 980M

 

Awesome! Thanks, I hope I won't destroy my machine hahah. Are you purchasing it from Xoticpc as well?

 

Dead serious, I do NOT believe a 4710HQ is going to significantly bottleneck a 980M very much. However, please remember that drivers are likely not mature for the 980M yet and it IS a new architecture, so we may have to wait on that one. I'm MUCH more inclined to believe that.

That being said, if the 4710HQ isn't keeping its clocks correctly, that's an entire separate problem on its own. It should be at 3.3GHz constant, and I don't think the 3.5GHz of my 4800MQ or the 3.6GHz of a 4810MQ is going to grant a further 20% improvement over a 880M, especially with how most games are entirely limited to two or three cores and won't crack 50% overall usage of a CPU by splitting the load across the extra cores. That's just a little too much of an improvement for a 200-300MHz overclock, assuming the 4710HQ is properly at max turbo.

I'm going to blame drivers with the benefit of the doubt for a bit. Otherwise, we're gonna see people in late october with P177SM-A models and P650SE models from clevo and we'll properly be able to test 4810MQ + 980M versus 4710HQ + 980M.

 

Yeah. Xoticpc is great. No worries, I'll have a step by step video. And since we'll have the same laptops there will be no guesswork.

 

A bit confused about the model names. Do you think I could change this laptop's monitor to 120hz:
XOTIC PC | Sager NP9380-S (Clevo P370SM3) (Clevo P370SM3)

 

we should be sagerbros from now on

 

Yeah, those prices are making me cringe.. I thought about selling my 17x and getting a G751 but honestly, with the amount I invested in the 17x, might as well stick to it since 3940XM will own any of those CPUs.. main issue for me is that lets say I buy a 980M and my motherboard etc dies.. It will leave me in a big mess...

 

That model has the 120hz screen but it also only has the 780m so not conducive this thread or a good purchase considering the 900ms. Here is one vendor selling the 120hz screen brand new: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sager-NP937...Laptop_Screens_LCD_Panels&hash=item20ea5a23ce

Haha. Definetely man. :laugh: I have been saving up and its finally going to pay off. Hopefully once I get mine I can convince others to go the same route. Really good laptop for what it offers at its price.

 

17.3" FHD 16:9 120Hz "MatteType" 72% NTSC Color Gamut Sager Screen (1920x1080) [*NVIDIA® GTX 880M purchase required] (SKU - SSC014)

It comes with 120Hz, but it's a P370SM3, and not a SM-A model. I.E. it's an older model and won't officially get 980M support, but if you want to buy it and ask Xotic (again) to provide 980M SLI or something, they MIGHT... it's a long shot, but they might.

 

Oops, my bad. I messed up and clicked the wrong link. I meant this one:
XOTIC PC | Sager NP8278-S (Clevo P170SM-A) - 17.3" Gaming Laptop

 

In part it could be true but keep in mind GTX 970 has higher clocks, more cores, more TMUs and much higher memory clocks. And they most likely did not enable the extra 200mhz turbo for the CPU in the notebook, using intel XTU. It would be interesting to see how the 980m performs with a +135mhz overclock compared to a stock GTX970.

 

Maybe... Sager/clevo might use the same screen model for all of its laptops. Only way to know is to open it up and see.

If you know the model of the screen in the sager np8278 you can ask a vendor if the 120hz screen will work. They recommend asking them anyway to verify before purchase.

 

Well that sounds perfect BUT knowing my government, they'll slap a metric ton of import taxes on top of the purchase. Anyone from UK know about our import fees? I've never imported anything from abroad before! Additionally, how does warranty work? Is it global? Would I have to send it to the US if there was an issue? But, yeah, there's more options on that one site than all the resellers in the UK put together!

 

true, but you missed his final comment which is about the same as the conclusion in all the earlier conversations on these forums:

 

No, you can't. That machine won't have enough pins to support the screen. The only single GPU model you could get to fit would be to find an old P170HM1 which supported 120Hz/3D and upgrade it to an ivy bridge CPU with a 980M and a big power supply. And even then I don't know if the heatsinks would fit or properly cool things.

 

Yes you'd have to send to the US for warranty repairs, however they had (may still have) a cross-ship feature where if a specific ITEM breaks (like one video card) they could ship you a GPU asap and when you get it, you return the box to them with your dead part inside. You need to inquire about this from them though.

You may or may not have import tax; usually import tax is dependent on the type of item being imported or the amount of money it is worth. For example, under $1000 in Australia is apparently free of customs tax. In my country, laptops and built PCs are not taxable, however if I bought say... a bed? They'd charge me through my nenen for it. I suggest calling your postal office and asking them guidelines on importing and what can be taxed; the guidelines should be country-wide so even if UPS brings it to your door it should follow the same payment options.

 

The reason everything costs more for us is the 'Value Added Tax' they shove on pretty much everything. VAT is 20%, hence the price gap between the US and the UK. Yes, it's a HUGE pain in the a**, and every time I see a price in $ I think would be okay, I have to quickly remind myself I'll be forking out that extra £200-400. I could almost get a low class flight to America and buy the laptop there myself for around the same price!

 

That sucks :/

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That's it. P170SM-A w/ 980M GTX pre-ordered.


Let the games commence.
(P.S. Cloud, it was wayyyyyyy cheaper than I expect the Aorus to be and I expect it to run cooler. Plus I'm tired of waiting.)

 

Hmm, think its about time to upgrade my gtx 460m

 

Seems like you have waited long enough lol

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Yeah well, its served me well... a Clevo P150

Recently I've been having issues where my graphics card will just start freaking out and i'll get a system notice saying display driver has failed. The only way I have fixed this is by (no joke) loosening and tightening the GPU screws. Happened to me twice already quite peculiar... Regardless Ill be upgrading from Fermi

 

Gee.. a GTX460M.. How did you live with that piece of junk? I had friends with the 485M upgrade before you