GTX 900M series officially announced by NVIDIA!!!

Yes of course. But the performance boost we got is amazing the way it is.

 

There are GT60 and GT70 laptops announced that will carry the new gen of 900m GPUs, so I am hopeful that we will be able to upgrade at some point. We have to stay put for the time being, until 980m/970m are available to buy as upgrade kits or spareparts and test it out. Maybe some resellers might be up to the task of trying it out.

 

I had a rep from xoticpc tell me there would be no difference in temperature between the msi gs70 with a 3gb 970m, and a 6gb 970m. I'm no engineer, but wouldn't more memory consume more power and produce more heat?

 

the only consumer grade eDP 17" IPS I know of is this one LG Display LP173WF4-SPF1 Overview - Panelook.com
72% NTSC
all the other ones are 10 bit panels for HP DC or Dell DC

 

I have contacted today my local MSI reseller.
Lets hope i can get my hands on an MSI GS70 2QE.
My old notebook still has the oldschool Nvidia GT240M.

 

Ha, that upgrade will be amazing to you.

 

Yea
I still got my PC which will get an Upgrade from an Overclocked 660 Ti to an 970 in November but i need something mobile too.
What do you think...
How high is the chance to get my hands on an MSI GS70 before November?
I would even order it from germany but i couldnt find anyone which has it in stock

 

I hesitate to sell my first gen P170sm without the cpu (4900Mq) and buy a P370SM-a with sli 980m (just the barebone) or sell my 780m and buy a 980m in replacement in my P170sm

 

You should be able to order them pretty soon, if not by next week. Shipping probably won't take that long.

I know GenTechPC is already selling the GT72's and shipping them out within 24 hours. Before November is definitely plausible.

 

Ok thanks a lot.
If anyone would be able to link me a german store which sells the MSI GS70 2QE i would thank him a lot

 

Its hard to say for certain there will be no difference, but there is not actually a very good reason to have a large difference.

If you were actually using more than 3GB vRAM the 6GB one might use a little more to hold the data. vRAM takes extremely low power for actual data storage though.

Next there is the Bus width, but that is the same on both, having a wider bus could add to power usage, but its the same so nothing there.

Then there is the memory controller, deciding which block of RAM the data is being sent and retrieved from, with double the amount of vRAM this should need at least one more bit execution worth of sorting per data block sent or retrieved. I could see the memory controller in specific needing 5-10% more power, but I suspect its power usage is fairly miniscule to begin with.

Overall Unless you are actually using over 3GB of vRAM I suspect the power usage should be within 1%. Unless they use lower quality vRAM or such, but that would be a separate issue.

 

Wow, thank you thank you!

 

Shame I can't find a gs70 970m 6gb or I would of impulsively bought it today. Gotta wait for mid Nov now and a little disappointed but at least it gives me a chance to look at upcoming reviews and decide again.

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Indeed, they would charge you an arm and a leg. I would guess (note the underline) £200+. It would also be a lot of hassle if you need to send it back to them for whatever reason.

I've heard nothing but good things about XOTIC, but perhaps you could consider Schenker instead?

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On the subject of old laptops, my first was a Twinhead P98 with a Pentium 3 500MHz, 128Mb SDRam, ATI 3D-Rage 8mb - which is still working.

 

When I sent a few badminton rackets to the UK half a year ago, the buyer got slapped with a 24% import duty I believe.

 

No sagers on the front post?

XOTIC PC | Sager NP8278-S (Clevo P170SM-A) - 17.3" Gaming Laptop

Come on!!

 

Give the TC some time he is not 24 hour working on this thread you know, be patient!

 

Move to US? Or start a political and cultural revolution to change the governement of the UK for the better? London used to be the richest city in the world at one time but because of their unfortunate politics there has been a huge "brain drain" which I believe started in the 1950s. Human capital flight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I feel bad for the prices you guys have to pay.

 

I'm waiting for Broadwell, coming very soon I believe.

 

Q1 2015.

Intel is pushing an entire HQ series of processors first. I believe the 4980HQ is the best of them, and will perform very similarly to that of a 4910MQ.

 

Let's not veer off too much outside the topic eh?

 

Or move to Japan Never ever charge import duty here! I have bought numerous items of value both new and second hand from US and other parts of the world and never get a charge.

I am from the UK. It is a dump. Will never move back there unless I have no choice..

 

Looks like I'm going to backpedal a bit and reconsider the MSI GS60 Ghost Pro with 970m 6GB and add a matte black vinyl decal on the lid to cover the logo (yes I do not like it that much). It looks like a solid machine. Just not real happy about the battery life, but 3-4 hours is my minimum requirement and it meets that.

 

That's the one I just bought, only from Powernotebooks as they've been super friendly and constantly replied to my e-mails during the past few weeks. Ordered and paid for within a day of the model being live on the site - $1706. Bargain for the 980m.

 

I look forward to your review. :thumbsup:

 

M, just took a look the P35X V3 page on gigabyte.com, it said there is a choice for CPU, you can either choose 4710 or 4860. But looks like the 4860hq option isn't available for now. Is it gonna available by then?

 

I think it is a pretty solid choice and 970m might be the best GPU for such a laptop

Looking forward to see your input on that model!

 

Lol. "It is a dump."

 

I was checking out the price of the barebones config with just motherboard, display, chassis, DVD drive, power supply, and video cards... Looks like 1069.50 per 980M if you build a P377SM-A with RJTech as its 2139 for the barebones. Base P377SM-A model from Xotic with dual 980M is 2744.

Seriously expensive cards. I really hope AMD pops up with something soon and drops these prices.

 

Anyone know if the Asus G751 will have easy access to GPU/CPU for future re-pasting? I think that's what steered me away from buying there revision with the 660M in it a few years back. I ended up buying a NP9150 with the 7970M and I regretted that horribly, enduro was never fixed on that laptop and the heatsink gaps, the tinfoil mods ugh.

 

You read that site wrong.

Barebones comes as 860m base
+$450 for single 980m
OR
+$1080 for dual 980m SLI

1080-450 = $630 for a single 980m

 

I was dividing total cost. Basically looking at the cost of the cards of they don't pop up on eBay what the worst case scenario would be.

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Ok i did not.had time to read, but how much slower is single top of the line 9xx vs 7970m CF ?

Not worth changing anyways since gpu market prices are going up up up (( or am I mistaken ?

 

Hey guys, I'm in the market for a new gaming laptop and, given the new 970m and 980m nvidia has blessed us with recently, I want some advice.

I've only had four laptops so far, I've been a desktop gamer for almost 25 years though.

Laptops owned:

Toshiba Satellite A130 (GeForce 7600 Go)
MSI GX640 (Radeon HD5850)
Asus G53SW (GeForce GTX 460M)
Late 2013 15" MacBook Pro (GeForce 750M)

The Macbook was stolen and I have insurance money to replace it, about $2600 or there abouts. I think I'm done with my Mac experimentation for now. Nothing wrong with them, I just prefer a Windows laptop to match the rest of my computers.

But, the two lasting impressions I have from the Mac is that 1080p just does not cut the mustard anymore, and thin and light is sexy. The Mac had a gorgeous screen and I'm done hauling around the 7 or 8 lb behemoth. So, I'm thinking something along these lines:

15" 4K display (so it scales down to 1080p easily for gaming, 3K does not)
970m or 980m video card.
I don't care for SLI - I prefer a single GPU.
I don't care for RAID, I prefer a single SSD (500 or so GB) for the OS and games, and if possible, a single mechanical drive for a little storage. But the HDD is optional.

I've had my eye on the Asus GX500 since it was announced back in June. I was fine with the 860m that was originally supposed to ship in it, given that I plan to game at 1080p. But hey, a 970 or 980 is even better!

I know MSI is coming out with a 4K display version of the Ghost, but unless I'm wrong they ship it with two SSDs in a RAID config. This is a turn off. Also, the MSI GX640 I had previously was LOUD and HOT when gaming. I'd like to avoid that as much as possible.

With my 'wants' what would you be targeting, wait for the Asus GX500 to finally show up, am I discounting the MSI 4K Ghost more than I should? What other laptops am I missing from consideration?


Thanks in advance.

 

I can find very few overlapping benchmarks between the cards, but from what I see it looks like 7870m x-fire is likely 1-5% faster in artificial benchmarks but likely slower in actual games than a single 980m.

And on the pricing it seems the 980m is from $0-50 more than what the 880m was around launch, but its hard to get exact numbers.

15" or under
Asus gx500 is delayed till Q1 2015 (or later)
MSI GS60 - overcame most of its heat problems but still toasty
Gigabyte p34 - great but only decent case, unknown cooling
Gigabyte p35 - good but only decent case, bad keyboard, probably enough cooling
Clevo p651 (oct 20 or later)
Asus g551
Aorus x3 plus (not yet released)

there are others too, I made a huge list with details on what notebook should I buy forum, not going to copy it here.

 

What happened to make you regret pursing the sager?

 

Its actually $2580. With cash discount. With 8gb ram, blu ray drive, 2x 980m, 1tb hard disc and 4810mq. I have looked at the figures many times. And you are off.

Sager NP9377-S (Clevo P377SM-A) Sager NP9377-S (Clevo P377SM-A)
- FREE!!! – U.S. UPS GROUND SHIPPING (Use Coupon Code "FREESHIP" in Checkout) [U.S. Lower 48 ONLY / Restrictions Apply]
- 17.3" FHD 16:9 "Matte Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright LED Anti-Glare Screen (1920x1080) (SKU - SSC002)
- FREE! - 30 Day No Dead Pixel Warranty
- NO Professional Monitor Color Calibration
- Sager - 4th Generation Intel® Haswell Core™ i7-4810MQ (2.8GHz - 3.8GHz, 6MB Intel® Smart Cache) (SKU – SPU401)
- FREE! - IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
- SLI (2x) - NVIDIA® GeForce™ GTX 980M (16.0GB total) GDDR5 PCI-Express DX11 (Maxwell) [User Upgradeable] (SKU – GPU04X) - [ETA: End of Oct.]
- No Copper Cooling Upgrade
- No Video Adapter
- No External Mobile Display
- 8GB DDR3 1600MHz [1x8GB] Dual Channel Memory (SKU - RAM14S)
- Sager Branding
- Standard Laptop Finish
- No Laptop Laser-Sketch™
- No Custom Laptop Painting
- No Custom Laptop Painting
- Non-RAID Storage
- Remove - mSATA
- NO mSATA Solid State Drive
- 1TB 7200RPM [SATA II - 3GB/s] (SKU - HDDX97)
- None Standard
- HDD Raid Settings - OFF
- 6X Blu-Ray Reader + 8X DVDRW/CDRW Super Multi Combo Drive (Sager) (SKU - ODD084)
- No Extra Optical Bay Hard Drive Caddy
- No Back Up Hard Drive
- NO External USB Optical Drive
- Bluetooth Included *With select wireless cards only* (See “Wireless Network” Section Below)
- Sager - Intel® Dual Band AC 7260 802.11 A/AC/B/G/N 2.4/5.0GHz + Bluetooth™ 4.0 (SKU - WIFI94)
- No Network Accessory
- Internal 9-in-1 Card Reader (MMC/RSMMC/SD/Mini SD/SDHC/SDXC/MS/MS Pro/MS Duo)
- Integrated Digital Video Camera
- No TV Tuner
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- No Carrying Case
- Smart Li-ion Battery (8-Cell)
- No Car Adapter
- No Spare AC Adapter
- No Dock/Hub/Adapter
- Integrated Fingerprint Reader
- No Headset
- No External Keyboard
- No External Mouse
- No Notebook Cooler
- No Thanks, Please do not Overclock my system (Overclocking will add 3-6 business days to build time)
- No Operating System Redline Boost
- No Operating System [Drivers & Utility Software Only (Windows 7 & 8.1)]
- None
- No Antivirus Essentials Software Bundle
- No Back Up Software
- No Unlimited GB Cloud Backup
- - No Microsoft OFFICE Software
- No Software Bundle
- No Global Anti-Theft Protection (Options below require an operating system)
- LIFETIME Ltd Labor* 1 Year Parts Warranty Lifetime 24/7 DOMESTIC Technical Support (Labor through XPC)
Includes FREE Shipping Both Ways for Parts Warranty Repairs (SKU - WTY099)
- * 24/7 LIFETIME U.S. based technical support
* Extreme QA testing by dedicated technicians
* 24-72 Hour stress testing and benchmarking to ensure top performance and stability
- Standard Production Time
- No Outside of US Shipping Coverage
- No thanks, standard double boxed packaging is okay with my order
- No XOTIC PC Gear
$2,664.00

Sub-Total: 2,664.00 or $2548.08 with cash discount. You are way off. Price is great.

 

I'm not off. I didn't factor in the 3% because not everyone is going to pay cash. I certainly wouldn't go through the hassle of doing that again (my bank was a pain dealing with the wire)



I didn't strip the RAM and msata though.

Lol their configuration tool is broken.

I dropped the RAM and it didn't take anything off but then I changed the CPU to 4810mq and it dropped to 2664



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Anyone know why the gtx 970m score on ice storm test is a lot lower than the gtx 870m?

Mobile Graphics Cards - Benchmark List - NotebookCheck.net Tech

should the scores be consistent all around?

I want to get a gtx 980m but the more i look at it, is the gtx 980m THAT much better than the gtx 970m to make the purchase worth $300 more?

 

7970M had enduro issues. Games would not utilize 100% of the card, some would but a lot wouldn't. Games stuttered a lot even at lower settings, didn't really matter what you tried. AMD never released a patch/driver nor any sort of fix. I've tried custom drivers/bios's at the time with no success.

Poor cooling, poor vents, poor van alignment with heatsink fins.. I loved the P150/NP9150 chassis, it's simple and the laptop did everything I want except all the issues it had.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...g-systems-neglected-clevo-solutions-here.html

If I remember correctly, alienware had an option to disable enduro in bios in which made the 7970m run flawless. 7970M was a beast at launch, as long as you can get it to run solo away from graphics switching.

 

Yup. I gave AMD a try and my 7690m XT died after ~2 years. Just boots up to a black screen now.

Correction: 7690m XT, not 7960m XT

 

Even though GM204 expresses support for HDMI 2.0, no laptops in 2014 are going to have it. All laptops especially optimus enabled ones are HDMI 1.4b If I am right.

HDMI 2.0 will probably come in Q3 2015 when the next line of laptops with Broadwell and Maxwell refresh arrive

 

In an ideal world, yes. But 3DMark has become less and less reliable as the years have gone by. Perfect example, it *STILL* doesn't recognize my 4940MX despite me buying the machine 5 months ago. Besides, ice storm is CPU limited, it doesn't task most GPUs at all. Fire strike and fire strike extreme are the only ones that matter in 3DMark but I wouldn't rely on those as much as 3DMark 11 personally.

 

Ice storm is meaningless. It is not made for these GPUs and it may be underutilized. It happened to my 780m with some drivers. Ignore it.

As for 970m vs 980m yes it is much better in my opinion and will last longer, perform better at everything and in general has more potential.

 

the Icestorm is probably a typo or something the benchmarks I have seen are

Ice Storm - 980m = 331356 | 970m = 288529 | 880m = 228668 | 870 = 193147

I am guessing there benchmark was 286071 and they missed the 2 when they typed it in

As to is the 980m worth it, it will probably be about 30-35% faster than the 970m. If you are already spending say $1500 on a laptop is it worth spending another $300 to make it that much faster? Of course if its an ultra thin that can't handle the heat or something thats another issue.

 

I agree. Was excited to see a Clevo with lighter build, no USB 2.0's, no firewires and with a 120W-140W brick and not the 180W. That's all.

 

Ice storm numbers are meaningless unless you're getting them from someone with a modded vbios that forces the cards to hit max clocks otherwise they'll throttle because of utilization.

I ran it just now and one card sat at 419 and the other at 770 on Extreme.

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 880M video card benchmark result - Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4940MX CPU @ 3.10GHz,Notebook P377SM-A

So yeah, not something to go by. Firestrike, 3DMark 11, and Catzilla are the numbers I'd be looking at personally.

 

doesn't worth the premium of almost 1k per card on ebay lol. milking industry at it's best.

 

True he asked about why it was lower though lol.

As to the usefulness of it for these cards you are 100% correct, for instance your throttling cards managed about 1200 FPS.
Icestorm is designed to benchmark phones and tablets really. For these cards you want actual game benchmarks, or failing that Unigine 3.0, Firestrike, Firestrike Extreme, or other benchmarks made for high end gaming.

 

Its probably lower because Maxwell is more efficient - ie, it probably throttles more in low utilization scenarios.

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