GTX 980M / 970M Maxwell (Un)official news

is there any chance a 17 inch laptop with gtx 970m will come out with a price tag of 1400$??? i want 970m so bad but my budget is 1400 max

 

The problem in general is that:
Thick gaming notebooks = Expensive
Thin gaming notebooks = Even worse value

Media/General purpose notebooks = Cheap but doesnt include high end GPUs

You guys will just have to wait and see. I dont think you will have many options with that $1409 budget.

 

Probably if you are willing to get one with no SSD drive and or skip some other options. Likely you will be making some compromises though, and have very few options.

Edit: sometimes you can skip getting Windows installed as well and save $60-90, of course you will have to use Linux or get Windows on it another way or such then.

 

I know, but i dont wanna carry around every day a 4kg notebook :/
I also know that the thin ones overheat extremly.
The Asus G751 seems really nice cuz its not too thick, but its expensive and it seems heavy

 

In my country (belgium) there are laptops with gtx 870m fot around 1100 euros, if the price of 970m will be the same or a little above, maybe for 1400 you get ssd and all, but again, it's in belgium or france and in euro , and maybe it's because they want to sell all the stock before the 9xxm serie comes out

 

Where exactly?
What shops @Babtoumi ?
I would drive to belgium if the prices dont change for the 970M

 

There is ldlc.com, materiel.net , topachat.com , grosbill.com. Those shops are in france and sell in belgium too i think, and you can get laptops like msi gt60 with 870m for aroud 1100 euros
Edit: look http://www.ldlc.be/fiche/PB00164108.html

 

You cant do a comparison like that.

Notebooks with GTX 870M and GTX 880M have recieved a good deal of price cuts for the shops to clear inventory before notebooks with GTX 970M and GTX 980M arrives.
The most correct comparison would be before the price cuts was applied.

A notebook with GTX 970M will cost more than 1100 Euro for sure

 

Yeah sadly, it's what i thought

 

as long it have wasd+mouse+17 inch+970m 6gb=pure win to me , couldn't care less about the rest of the features because im sitting on a dead clevo atm

 

You could get a much much better desktop with that.

 

i wish but i might travel and i cant take it with me , laptop gaming is so painfully expensive

 

Do you travel a lot? If not then I second the desktop idea. I bought a $3500 Clevo last year with 780M SLI and it's already semi-obsolete lol. Decided not to waste any more money on laptops and built myself a nice desktop.

 

780M is far from obsolete.. Please

 

the big question is , will gtx 970m run gta v at ultra settings , full hd with minimum 30 fps at all time

 

If it does not, Rockstar can't code their way out of a paper bag.

 

It will be when the new Maxwell cards get released. Plus if SoM is any indication, that 4GB of vRAM may become a bottleneck before the actual GPU core does. Very very sad.

 

That game, lemme tella ya... Biggest disappointment of my life. I either live a really happy life or that game was just such a big lie. If it runs like GTA IV on PC then that is the LAST game I am buying from those imbeciles who think they are "artists" or "intelligent businessmen."

 

second to this , gta IV ran like crap on my high end desktop at the time , that is why i would be amazed if gta v ran over 30 fps at ultra settings and on a laptop !!! i never enjoyed gta on a pc before because of the botched pc ports rockstar do !

 

That's why GTX 780Ti owners are raging so hard right now over at overclock.net while the Hawaii guys are shedding tears that the game actually works. Personally, I did warn people back a few months ago, the writing was on the wall, VRAM is going to be extremely important, it was disturbing that a $750 flagship was never going to have 6gb when it was plainly needed.
I learnt my lesson with the GTX 570, never again will I buy these horribly unbalanced GPU designs regardless of what the VRAM naysayers say.

 

I'm a VRAM naysayer, because I know how to read benchmarks. 3GB is A-OK for me at 1440P, and will be well into 2015.

The manufactured furor over two games is just that: manufactured... the data's on the side of the "naysayers" for now, folks.

 

So my 7970M died today. If professional power returns to the 980M, consider me sold.

 

What's with all these cards dying around the same time? Self-destructing GPUs anyone???

 

GTA 4 was coded like utter mess, I do agree. But if current-gen hardware (X1/PS4 which ARE USING CUT DOWN 7970M GPUs) can run the game at 1080p, 40+fps or so, then anything better (870M with +500MHz on the core = 660Ti and trounces any current-gen console, far less 780M, 880M, 970M, 980M, actual 7970M/8970M/M290X or even 680M (with a little OCing) chips) will be able to handle the game as well or better... OR rockstar cannot code their way out of a paper bag. And I swear, if they so much as THINK they're getting away going the watch dogs route where they purposefully code the game to run like mess? HA. The backlash from that would be beyond immense.

 

Planned death.

 

Wait a minute! The king and queen in UK inflate the laptop cost? Monarch tax on laptops?

 

Anthem should instantly be changed from "god save the queen" to "queen save our VAT on laptops"

 

This obsolete thing is all in your head, the 780M is FAR from obsolete. And how in hell can you believe that a desktop configuration is more "durable" than a laptop one ? I'd like you to check the benchmark of the 780ti vs the 980 GTX and you'll tell me .

If you're a powerUser that plays mainly on computer, and really like technologies, all options at max,etc than maybe you'll have to change every 2 years, but for "mainstream" users a 780M can last for 3-4 years before getting"obsolete". Personnally, I'm a student in computer/software engineering , I like to play and learn a little with the Unity or UE4.5 sdk ^^, and i play some demanding games like BF4, watch dogs (modded) and as a big fan of star wars and dragonage, i'd like my computer to offer the best gaming experience with battlefront 3, dragon age inquisition, the witcher 3 Far cry 4..., so i'm changing from 780m to 980m but again it all depends on what you want. I'm starting a 4 months internship at ubisoft france in june, so I'm really "in" software technologies, i really don't expect all laptop buyers to do be like that ^^, plus gaming laptop sales are increasing each yeart, prompting Nvidia, msi and others to accelerate the pace of "mainstreaming" (macbook-like computers, desktop-class performance, easy to use (auto overclock etc) ), it might feel like it's "too fast" but they're adaptating to a growing market not filled with hardcore gamers anymore.


However buying a sli configuration for a laptop I'm against that 100% : it's made to be portable, ergonomic, powerful yet not super-expensive , sli-laptops fulfill only one of those conditions.

 

I'd like to point out wickette that portability is relative. My SLI laptop is plenty portable to me; it and my headset and mouse and power brick and even a controller fit nicely in my backpack with a 1.5 litre bottle of water and two notebooks for class when I need to. So it is portable, ergonomic, and powerful yet not super-expensive, as the day I bought this i went to pcpartpicker and configured a similar machine in desktop land and ended up with the price difference being only $300 USD less than what I paid for this laptop. This laptop also included shipping, however, so the difference was probably a bit less than that too.

I also DON'T like the trend that's going on. I'm seeing more and more HQ CPUs being made in high end laptop models and more 1TB 5400RPM drives being pushed unless you go build a clevo on a website, or buy the correct MSI. And sometimes you can't change that to a 7200RPM; you either go for a small SSD or nothing (looking at you alienware). I understand it's possible to buy and put in your own stuff later, but that doesn't help the fact that you need to buy it a certain way, and getting a new laptop with windows and such installed or whatever just to pull it out and do it all over can be annoying. There's also a drive for integrated GPUs in some models too, and that's a big no-no. I do not understand why laptop hardware, while advancing in strength, is going back 10 years in upgrade-ability and swappable parts.

 

D2 Ultima - did you get to hold a P170/177 and P370/375/377 together or see them side by side irl? I was considering a 980M SLI 377 for X-Plane 10, but just read that the code physically can't use it, so I'm really wondering what other decent games would even come close to benefiting from that much power. Even if I can come up with a title or two, I keep hearing that all Haswell mobile CPUs throttle quickly (quickest in single fan MSIs and most Alienwares), so there's the bottleneck.

 

Never seen another Clevo firsthand other than my old D900F. My country still sells 8800GTS cards for $300+ USD in shops as "gaming cards". Yeah. I'm all alone here.

That being said, I don't know what you mean with the "code physically can't use it". And as for what games would benefit from that much power? Almost all haha. Just get the 120Hz screen and you're set.

Haswell CPUs do *NOT* throttle quickly. They get hot really fast, and if you don't get some good paste on it and/or have a bad fan curve (fn + 1 on clevos = max fans, so no need for much of a fan curve) then they will indeed hit their thermal limits and downclock. But while most haswell CPUs don't get that hot, they DO get hot. Which is a problem. But you can't really get around that. I can say that with a good paste job my CPU will happily do whatever the heck I tell it to do without so much as a throttle peep unless at least one of my CPU cores hits 93+ degrees (I think 94 or 95 is the cutoff point, but I could be wrong). I know that with proper power being fed to it, it won't even downclock hovering between 89 and 92 degrees. So that isn't going to be much of a problem, especially in a P377SM-A.

I also like the lack of optimus, even though it negatively affects my battery. Optimus is a right pain sometimes from what I hear from people >_>. Anyway, lemme know if you need anything else. I'll be sleeping now, but when I wake up I'll come back to this page to see any replies.

 

Can X-Plane take advantage of Crossfire/SLI?

No. Neither X-Plane 9, nor 10.0, will be capable of running with Crossfire or SLI. From what I can tell, there are a few sites in the code that need to be reworked a bit to be ready for these technologies. If you have an SLI/Crossfire setup, I would expect you to get the same framerate with only one of the GPUs.

Will X-Plane 10 ever take advantage of Crossfire/SLI?

Maybe someday. If we can get our code clean enough to work with these technologies, I will post an update on this blog. But I can’t promise anything – for all I know we may someday hit some horrible show-stopping problem.

 

You quoted the wrong person lol, but to respond to your points...

780M is already obsolete if you want to run games at 120 FPS, hell it struggles with 60 FPS with everything cranked up on some of the newer titles. I guess I should've qualified obsolete by saying it's obsolete if you want to max out everything while maintaining 60+ FPS.

Stock for stock 980 is 10-15% faster than 780 Ti, so not sure how that doesn't show desktop components are more durable lol. Besides the point you're missing is that the cost of upgrading a desktop system is far less compared to a laptop, nevermind the fact that non-MXM laptops can't even be upgraded so you'd be forced to buy an entirely new machine. And even MXM laptops may have compatibility issues so there's no guarantee you could upgrade. And let's face it, "mainstream" users would never put down $700 for a GPU like 780M, most if not all who grab the 780M are power users, and thus demand the very best performance. But this is where I realized that if mobility isn't an issue, a desktop will always be able to offer more performance than a laptop.

And come on now you're upgrading from a 780M to a 980M, so clearly the 780M is already "obsolete" in your mind whether you want to admit to it or not

 

You are right.

Both GTX 880M and GTX 880M SLI get 22FPS in that game.
(Not that I plan to play it anyway)

GTX 780M get below 60FPS in 29/57 games listed on Notebookcheck on Ultra settings.
Its good enough for high end gaming on settings below Ultra in many games, but not if you want smooth 60FPS+ with everything maxed out in 1080p. It have reached its end there for sure.
You can forget about using DSR in the majority of games.

I`d say anyone who wants visuals turned up to the max need GTX 980M.
DSR 1600p+ res gaming, GTX 980M/970M SLI

 

If you want a serious flight simulator that supports dx11, autogen, tessellation...and SLI go for :
PREPAR3D (it's NOT a game, it's made by lockheed martin to train civil and military pilots, however it's fully available to users who want a realistic flight simulator).

 

I sincerely apologise. I was drinking copious amounts of alcohol last night and, for reasons unknown, thought it was a good idea to browse these here forums. Again, sorry

 

Aren't flight simulators THE most CPU bound games out there? Also FWIW for flight sims >20 frames is actually plenty smooth already.

 

Yes, I keep posting that 980M GTX will not help much with flight sims (never mind SLI 980M), except maybe the odd smoother effect *if* you look closely. D2 Ultima said that CPU throttling should not occur, so I guess I'll invest in a 4910MQ rather than 980M GTX SLI. Anything above 24FPS around towns at low altitude on higher settings is my goal.

 

Thanks for the pointer - I heard a while back it was a poor reskin of FSX (which was the worst optimized flight sim) but I suppose it does deserve a proper look, especially if it would give me best eye candy on 980M SLI .

 

mine died too that garbage 7970m , it died after how long in service?

 

It's actually a much more optimized FSX and has a lot of potential. Best thing is that 99% of FSX addons work with Prepar3d.

 

Just like 6970M the 7970M have many deaths. Too low to create mass hysteria, but enough to put traces on this forum about bad silicon quality.

 

AMD cards should come with a disclaimer.

 

WELL WELL WELL.
Here she is, all nude with specs and all :thumbsup:



It only got 1536 cores (12SMM). GTX 980/Full GM204 got 2048 cores (16SMM). I`m a bit surprised!
This is from the MSI GT72

 

So true. I have a 6950 in my desktop which, about 5 days after ordering a 980, started blue screening when I plugged in any HDMI cable. It still just randomly blue screens even if there is no HDMI cable (instead 2x DVI inputs). Suffice to say the 900 range's release was very good timing indeed.

 

Hmm that picture seems sketchy to me though, N1996 - D33008 those are numbers for an old Acer aspire motherboard, picture doesn't match with that motherboard though, are those numbers used for other boards as well? Just seems odd.

 

980m is based on 970 though not 980 right?

 

Technically its based on both since all three are GM204, and GTX 980M doesnt share specs with neither GTX 980 or GTX 970 apparantly

Heat output from this chip should be lower than GTX 680M for sure.
GTX 980M got less cores than GTX 970 which is a 138W GPU.....!
Reduce voltage, little less clock on cores and VRAM, add binning, you got yourself a party.
No wonder this chip also comes as soldered (which is the first time for high end I think)

 

Well time to wait for full gm204 in mobile meh ....

 

Msi card with sli bridge....