GTX 980M / 970M Maxwell (Un)official news

I think lower GPU memory will be ok, if GPU runs out, windows will use some share RAM to make up for the rest needed.
Not a big deal really.

 

980M will, for the most part, have 8GB anyways. It'd be marketing suicide to have a 880M with 8GB and a 980M with 'merely' 4GB. So, rest assured, there will be numerous 8GB versions available. Oh yes!

 

hint to all V-ram huggers:
32bit windows can only access 2gig of Vram.

So I love everyone with GTX680M talking about how they were "memory choked". :Real life: There were no 64bit games 2 years ago.

PS4/Xbone have brought 64bit gaming quick to mainstream. Maybe crazy Vram will follow.
I personally have gamed at 4K for a year now. Not a single game have used over 3gig of Vram.

I dont advocate to buy a card with less then 4gig, but 8 gig is unnecessary. You will switch cards before memory will be a problem.

Memory is the cheapest way for companies to make money, People are prepared to pay insane prices for a bit memory. Nvidia/Apple and so on have over 80% pure profit on these memories.

We should actually take the gaming companies to task so they stop do crappy ports from consoles to PC.

 

If 980M is indeed 85W... I wonder whether this would be enough to mitigate the throttling/heat issues with thin laptops with the 100W 870M?

 

Reality check: 2 years ago there were x64 games. They were few and far inbetween, but they existed. <S>BF3 was one of them (2011 release)</S> Crysis Warhead was one of them (2008 release). Next, just because a game is x64 doesn't mean it's GOING to use crazy amounts of RAM. <S>BF3</S> Crysis Warhead is another good example, not passing 2GB system RAM and not even hitting 2GB vRAM. GG? GG.

Reality check part 2: Games *ARE* using 4GB+ of vRAM right now. The Evil Within, Middle Earth: Shadows of Mordor, etc crack the 4GB vRAM barrier. Guess what else? The vRAM barrier has almost NOTHING to do with GPU power. Titanfall uses 3GB+ at 1080p. So do Watch Dogs, Wolfenstein: The New Order, CoD: Ghosts (I don't give a cow if it's just doubled up vRAM, it stuttered like crazy if you didn't have 3GB or 4GB vRAM for like a month or more after launch). Some of these games run fluidly on lower-end GPUs with high vRAM buffers, like Wolfenstein. Others run like mess no matter what, like Watch Dogs.

You can advocate 4GB as the max all you want, but if you want to max at least ONE game right now (and more games in the future without a doubt) simply because of sloppy vRAM management coding, you need 6GB at the minimum. And 8GB won't hurt a bit either.

Also, resolution has little to do with vRAM usage. Same with AA if it's implemented properly. SSAA-ing or downsampling from 4k res to 1080p at MOST seems to invoke +600MB vRAM. If it's a game that only uses 2GB vRAM anyway like Black Ops 2 for example, 4K res won't touch 3GB. You're right. But when you have a game that'll use up 3.8GB vRAM if I let it at 1080p (like Titanfall) then 4K res might easily chew through 4GB. And Shadows of Mordor has proven it uses 5.4GB or higher at ultra on 1080p, so at 4k res? lol good luck.

THAT BEING SAID, I do agree that gaming companies need to buck up and manage their memory footprints for their games. As I keep saying, vRAM usage being high ain't a problem if the game warrants it, but these games do not warrant it, and thus it is a huge problem. I say the same thing for the hard drive space requirements. A little optimization can go a long way; look at Payday 2's devs. Game launched at 25GB, updated to being over 30GB. I think 32GB at the last check I had. They optimized the loading order and cut out a LOT of unnecessary stuff and they got the game down to under 10GB. SAME GAME. SAME GRAPHICS. SAME EVERYTHING. LOADS FASTER. MINUS 20GB HARD DRIVE SPACE. What do we call this? OPTIMIZATION. Things more devs need to do.

Either way, if you WANT to play these unoptimized games (at least vRAM-wise) at max, you need 6-8GB vRAM. 4GB is not cutting it. Should it be that way? No. Is it that way? Yes. It's a sad time, but either we avoid, compromise or adapt. Up to you.

Edit: Forgot to mention. 680M has low-voltage vRAM and it can't get a very high memory bandwidth, unlike the 700M and 800M series chips (at least the higher end ones). So that might be the memory choking. Also, 680M came with 4GB flavours.

 

85W it's awesome OO,...i do not think however that it will totally erase throttling issues, laptop manufacturers need to focus on that in their design, period. larger fans, more heatpipes, new materials, larger vents etc.

 

Depends on the specific laptop, in general probably not. Obviously it will help, and many will likely not throttle anymore. Most will still probably be running at 85-90c though which they are rated for but only barely.

970m at 65w compared to 870m at 100w on the other hand should be a massive improvement. Remember you need to count in the CPU heat, and other sources like HDD, Battery, etc... Overall an 870m was probably producing about 50% of the total heat in most of those laptops. So reducing its heat by 15% would only reduce the laptops heat generation by 7-8%. A 870m to 970m might reduce generated heat by 35% so the laptop would generate about 17-18% less heat overall. (Note these are just estimated every laptop will be different depending on specific hardware. Also heat generated is not directly correlated to laptop temperature.)

 

Considering we already have laptops that tackles 100w+ GPUs and manage to cool them down, i'd say 980m will be a breeze.

 

Guys, how about those of you who are interested in further elaboration of this semi-interesting vram debate/fight/drama/popcorn (pick at will) create separate thread for it?

Imho you totaly hijacked the last couple of pages for something that is covering really just a very small area of 970/980m upcoming premiere...

 

The conversation was ultra thin laptops though, plenty of them at present do come with a 870m 100w TDP, but none truly handle them, they are all running so close to their thermal limits they throttle often, or have massive hardware failure rates, and some can't be used on a lap without risking getting serious burns.

 

Mate.
Which website? ))

 

laptopno1.com. Lol u live in hcm? Thought i'm the lone sheep among these wolves xD

 

Wat?
No
I live in Austria
Whats the price, can you link it to me?

 

Damn so im really the lone sheep. The price here is pretty bad, due to horrible taxes. Your local reseller should be in stock soon as mine is already. Idk yet, i will go there and see for myself tomorrow. Patient xD

 

Where's the goldilocks laptop to? The one that's not too hot, not too bulky. Hmmm...

I'm still in for getting a GT72 for now. Just would have preferred something a little less bulky.

 

Hmmmm, all of this is the calm before the storm. I think we are but mere hours from the launch, and some of us may even be waiting for the UPS guy.

 

So the 980M is 85W TDP but 103W TGP. Kinda makes you wonder the TDP figures thrown around for 780M and 880M were actually TDP or TGP.

 

Quote is from Maxwell GM204: GTX980M / GTX970M - Page 3

So yeah the 100w 870m figure was probably TGP and may be about = 980m. Guess we need to wait another day or ten to get some reviews with actual temperatures maybe.

 

lol consoles
Assassin's Creed Unity will run 900p/30frame/Post process AA on PS4+XBOX ONE Assassin's Creed Unity is 900p/30fps on both PS4 & Xbox One - Assassin's Creed Unity for PS4 News
Can't wait to play it on my 980m at 1080p/60fps/real AA

How times have changed, usually consoles were head to head with best single card desktops back then when just released, mobile already miles a head

 

NOTEBOOK ASUS G751JY-T7056H | Lacne-nakupy.sk

It is the same model like that one for 1500€ which was on shark.sk before. No idea if its real one but it looks like it since they wrote that it is already available on their warehouse hmm ..

 

Nah bro, that's a Ubisoft title. You'll get 15fps 720p low settings with a single 980M. You need 24 Titan Blacks for 1080p 30fps high graphics. Isn't that how the power relation between X1 and PS4 is compared to PC? They're what, 10 years ahead of the fastest gaming PC? You know how it is, that's what all these devs keep saying! It must be true.

 

Been waiting for dat game. They ruined the gameplay since AC3 but I still like the recreation of history and I have read a lot about Paris.

I saw a video comparing SoM and WatchDogs with PC to PS4. Looked pretty much the same and consequently a lot of infirm, inferior trogladyte console slaves were peeing on the PC master race. So devs do not even make an effort to make it look nicer on PC and just make it run like crap. So they can tout consoles and make Joe feel good about his 10 year old Xbone. Consoles... Graphics on new consoles actually look fine. If only they optimized them for PC like they did to make it run on really old console hardware. But those console slaves do not get that a console is a computer just as much as a PC.

 

The TGP information is highly inaccurate.
There is no way in hell that a 1536 core Maxwell (980M) equals a 1536 core Kepler (880M) in heat output.

I guarantee it.

The fact that 870M have roughly the same TGP as 880M. Its just dead wrong as we all know from user experience and reviews. Its a reason why Aorus doesnt feature GTX 880M SLI instead of GTX 870M SLI. The 880M becomes much hotter.
That the TDP for 980M is only at 85W is a huge tell that the chip itself output less heat than even 680M. Its eveN the first time in history we have the top end card coming as soldered and inside thiin Clevo and Asus machines

 

Ah, never mind. Sorry for crapping up the thread. I've got the numbers on current vRam usage and that's all I need to support my argument.

I'm eagerly awaiting some thin 980m laptops!

 

Where are your sources? You are using a very bad argument. Calling him an alarmist and saying you could not understand him. One of your fallacious statements is an Ad Hominem which is not an argument but is immediately dismissed. And saying you did not understand him is another fallacious statement. And then before you addressed anonymous authority with your argument which is another fallacious argument. I don't care if he did not list sources. I believe that these games are using a lot of vram. I don't think he is gonna waste his time making it up.

Here: http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html
Looking up what your second fallacious argument is called because there is a name. Because so many people and idiot politicians use it.

You were also "needling." Gonna list all I can because sick of these whiny statements which are never arguments.

Here you go:
Appeal To Complexity:
if the arguer doesn't understand the topic, he concludes that nobody understands it. So, his opinions are as good as anybody's.

You don't understand his paragraph or its stupid. Probably ad hominem too.

ENOUGH TALK OF VRAM! WE WILL HAVE ENOUGH!

 

Great news, P150SM/P170SM/P370SM (first revision) can run GTX980m (But modded .inf needed for installing the driver)
[BIOS & MODS] Prema Mod / Latest stock BIOS - Page 207

 

Just throwing it here:
Shadow of Mordor offers Ultra texture optional download, recommends 6GB VRAM @ 1080p

Currently (1-3 yr old games) I do not go above 1080p and VRam usage typically peaks around 1100-2100 MB TBH. But yes, I have been seeing many games openly claiming higher VRam requirements. With this I guess 4GB-6GB should be the right amount going ahead.

The way I see it - If I pay a premium price for a high end GPU that too with a new architecture, it should be the responsibility of the manufacturer to future proof it to a degree, considering they have done the math.

 

Nope darling you don't
Eyes-on with PC Shadow of Mordor's 6GB ultra-HD textures &bull; Eurogamer.net

the game's art ate up between 5.4 to 5.6GB of onboard GDDR5

Now carry on the nonsense from your fantasy land and spare us the repetitive waste of time chat, games use +4gb easily now thats a fact.

 

The worlds fastest single GPU notebook? Coming soon. - Polish MSI fanpage just posted a teaser

 

Numbers for what? vRAM usage?

You can check the vRAM information guide in my sig for some screenshots and my personal findings about vRAM. That should show screenshots of Titanfall and CoD Ghosts, which I own.

The Evil Within needing 4GB vRAM for recommended specs
Wolfenstein's vRAM usage (this SHOULD be the page; I can't load it because of DNS issues right now, but you WILL find it in that review)
Watch Dogs' vRAM usage
Titanfall screenshot showing both system RAM and GPU RAM usage
CoD Ghosts grabbing 4GB vRAM sitting at the main menu
Shadow of Mordor indeed needing 6GB+ vRAM at 1080p ultra settings

 

Why does it say current GT72 users will not have to pay for a whole new system? Are they offerring cheap upgrades? Just send in your old laptop and get 980m for cheap upgrade price?

 

14000 in GPU score. Suck on that with your 8500 GPU score Mr GTX 880M. Oh how I feel bad for those who bought a notebook with 880M the recent days. Ugh if that were me Id be mad

 

Because for the first time, you will be able to officially replace your old Gpu by the new one without buying a new GT72.

But you need to buy the new Gpu ...

 

LOOK AT THIS!!!

Asus G751JY-T7009H 17.3-inch Full HD LED Gaming Notebook (Intel Core i7-4710HQ 2.50GHz, 24GB RAM, 1TB HDD, 256GB SSD, Windows 8.1): Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories

I posted before it was going to be released on October 14th, however they went back and changed the DATE! To October 7th, TOMORRROW!!!!! It's coming folks

 

Nice as expected date i posted in the OP, 7-11
Lot of benchmarks / details/etc should be outt when NDA is over in less than 24hour

 

Finally gieff reviews, benchmarks and decent offers

I'm almost convinced to ghost pro 970, although i would rather to see spke reviews before pulling the trigger

 

Yeah everything is pointing more and more to a Oct 7 launch.

Of course that listing has some other info wrong -
Product Dimensions: 57 x 37 x 10 cm = 22.5" x 14.5" x 4"
Actual Product Dimensions: 416 x 318 x 50 mm = 16.4" x 12.5" x 2"

Lol also shows 6kg product weight, 3kg shipping weight. Maybe they compressed it for shipping

 

I hope there are some official laptop reviews out tomorrow, from like Notebookcheck.net - do you think there's much chance of such reviews coming out tomorrow (on same day as NDA lifted)?

 

You're actually wrong here. It's not that they "don't bother to make an effort to make it look nicer on PC". It's that they "purposefully lock away or reduce the maximum graphics potential for the PC" while not bothering to optimize. Or as in the case of Watch Dogs, where someone repacked the ultra textures in a mod that activated them if you chose "high" settings which proceeded to ELIMINATE THE STUTTER that users got on ultra, they purposefully coded the game to run terribly on PC, making PC users think their hardware isn't as up to snuff as they think, and more importantly, making console users think their Xbox 1 and PS4 are right up there with PC graphics. It's an actual effort to deceive users so that sales on consoles and sales OF consoles stay up... because while it's slow, there is a notice-able movement in users who are dropping their current-gen and last-gen consoles and moving to PC for most games... and the more famous the people who do it are, the more that Joe Public wants to. So why bother giving PC the better experience? That's what they're thinking. And it should be against the law if provable, but this is the gaming industry, where laws don't apply.

 

I would buy it, if its under 1600€.
I really hope someone offers it with Free Shipping to Austria, and without SSD, cuz 2000€ is quite a lot :|

 

So you are saying they are being purposefully malicious instead of being lazy? I hope not. If next year CoD Modern Warfare w/e or Assassin's Creed w/e come out and cannot run for crap on my $2.5K laptop that will be it. I am done with gaming. My gtx 480 lasted 5 years, about. Could still run ACIV pretty well. Steam Boxes probably could have murdered consoles at their price and customizability. But now that games are not optimized and need excessive vram, steam boxes are not looking good.

 

UK?... Yay!

Spoiler

Speaking of the UK, I've noticed that all the MSI GT72's are out of stock virtually everywhere I've looked. Coincidence?

Oooooh, it'll take willpower from the gods to resist these shining beauties... I may give in... I may just plunk for GT72/G751. I might just do it. Oh yes.

 

Curious to see how MSI is going to handle the upgrades to 980M of the old GT72

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Well not every publisher is doing this. Ubisoft is a well-known perp of this behaviour. Activision just doesn't care about PC and it's up to their devs to put in the work or not, which is why treyarch goes the extra mile and IW touts "graphic options" as a "selling point" for the PC version (go look up their MW3 pre-release statements if you don't believe me). EA... appears to not be EA right now. I don't understand them. The rest? Pretty much dev-by-dev basis I guess. Who knows how games will be? All I know is, PC gaming is currently at a lower point than it was in 2011-2012, and that's a serious feat. Late 2012 and most of 2013 saw much love to the PC crowd and we thought it'd be the start of good things, but then the current-gen consoles came out and it just spiraled downward since then.

Personally, I want two 980Ms with 8GB vRAM each and I want a 4940MX with the heatsink for Ivy Bridge CPUs for my Haswell own, as the 980M should be as cool as or cooler than a 680M and thus I can sacrifice the slave card's cooling for it. Then some 2133MHz RAM sticks to help with streaming and I'll actually be no-compromises-set. But of course that isn't happening to me unless someone decides to get very generous toward me rofl.

 

Hanlon's Razor

I honestly still think it's more due to sheer incompetence and laziness than actual malice. Yes there is that infamous "This is PC only, who caress" line but seems to me it was taken out of context.

 

Mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn. I just transfered my money from PayPal to my bank account to utilize the cash discount for wire transfer. And if this stuff launches tomorrow I'm gonna be so mad, my money is going to be in limbo for 3-4 days. Sonova!

 

Shadows of Mordor? Incompetence. Titanfall? Incompetence. Watch Dogs? Malice.

I'm fairly certain that Ubisoft does these things on purpose. I also know, from asking my friend who is a game dev who talks to a lot of other game devs, that a lot of games often get pushed back to maximize sales, or attempt to grab parity with consoles and PC so that console sales are higher. Watch Dogs was one of them. Rockstar's PC release being pushed back is also likely so the new consoles get more copies sold. I think EA is the only publisher that's ACTUALLY delaying the games so they come out properly now (which is the most ironic thing ever).

Think about it, if this was the console version and this was the PC version for most games (fully allowing for the power differences to be apparent), how many console copies would sell? I understand that there IS a generation gap (PS2 versus at-the-time current-gen PC tech/X360 tech) but... that's what these new consoles have. A huge generation gap... just with a lot of memory. And the thing is, they're NEW. Imagine if your new console looked as different as the difference was in that video? I mean, of course the new consoles can produce far higher levels of visual quality, but they can't run any Crysis 3 on max graphics, for example. So some is unoptimization, and some just has ulterior motives in the background. Not every dev or publisher needs to be burned at the stake, but the amount that DO are not zero either.

 

Any shop that sells another version of the G751 or the MSI GT72 to Europe or Austria to be specific?

 

keep cool ! be patient :wink:

 

Good argument. Rockstar is definitetly the most retarded company to date. They deserve the golden poo award EA got back in the day. They announced GTAV back in late 2011? It comes out late 2013 for crap old gen consoles. Then it comes out, maybe for PC in 2015. So over 3 years for them to release it to PC and three years to release it to xbone. They spent $200 billion on it, the most anyone has ever spent on any video game, and its crap. Mulitplayer was not even out. And its been over a year and still no real dlcs. No heists either... They tout the stupid map size but the city is small and they added a lot of grass and dirt areas with nothing to do. They made it seem like you could buy property or go to the gym in trailers. There are little interiors to see. GTAIV consequently had better imersion. You can buy businesses but they do not do anything. You have to pay so much money to buy the country club and it takes a week ingame time to get 1/100 of what you paid for it. Did I mention there still are no heists? . Started development in 2009... Nothing to do ingame. Car cutomization is a joke. Change the color of it and make it indestructable. 3 clothing stores. One dart board in the entire game. Barely any mini games compared to GTAIV. I bet GTAV ON 100%. Collected all the bs collectibles. And then critics praised it even though it sucks. All my friends hate it too. No jetpack either. Multiplayer bugged to hell; so many people getting banned! And then its not gonna run max settings 60fps for pc when it comes out because nothing on earth can run gtaiv max settings 60fps. And then my favorite part was everyone, including the crappy adware website forbes praised its tactics for making a billion in one week when cod ghosts made a billion in a week that same month and they make one every year and it doesnt cost them $200 million to make. R* you are retards. Nice work. There is no pc market. Thats why you did not release red dead redemption to pc. Go job with your business. Selling gta v to all last gen console owners then current and then pc. If gtav runs like crap I might lead a rebellion the size and horrible scope of the year 1793. I hate them just if anyone was doubting me btw.