Geforce 8700M GT vs. Geforce 7950 GTX + New games

less than 1% of notebooks can upgrade the videocard... most of which are usually high-end models... usually 17".

 

and you can't upgrade from 8600gt (mxm2) to 8700 (mxm3 http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=136817)

 

Unless you have a Fujitsu-siemens Pi. They are 15,4" MXM2 models that can fit MXM3 cards (works with MR X1900 and go7900 GS)

 

ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm going to pull my damn hair out I'll say one thing desktops aren't as tricky as these notebooks.

 

Thats what I was thinking

@ Joga, its true it is overpriced in the US, but in Europe, everyone is overpriced lol, and like I said, its cheaper than the Clevo at Rock and Evesham

 

um every body plz look where this guy got this pic from http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_humanhead_home.html, thats not opengl dumb ass.

 

im about to get the 8700s in Sli rather than 7950s in my new laptop... the 8700s will be Dx10, and its gonna cost ALOT to upgrade in the future.. considering u'd be buying the 7950s NOW and then the new ones later...
i rele think the 8700 has been given a bad rap.. its not THAT far behind the 7950s in framerates, besides the fact that its DX10

 

i would disagree. 8700Ms are basically desktop 8600GT, and 7950GTX are basically desktop 7950GT. the 7950GTs pretty much dominates the 8600GT in every benchmark.

in current DX10 game performances (Call of Juarez, Company of Heroes DX10, Lost Planet), even the mighty desktop 8800Ultra struggles, let alone a 8600GT. If thats any indication for future DX10 games, a 8700M(8600GT) will be too weak for DX10 and in DX9 7950GTX are quite a bit better.

 

but wat about future DX10 ONLY games? thats where the trouble comes in :-/
i need this computer for 4 years of college. i mean, upgrading is an IDEA, but its soo much money, to buy 7950s then watever card is high-end later!

 

Is Nvidia not allowed to use OpenGL in its tech demos or something? The Human Head demo uses OpenGL 2.1. Just look at this comparison image, where it's labeled as OpenGL (bottom-left image):



That the demo uses OpenGL is also mentioned on various forums around the web.

I'm actually quite impressed with OpenGL 2.1. It can look just as good (or better) than DX10, and if developers start using it more, that's just more good news for 7950 GTX users like me

 

I'm sorry to tell you but the 7950GTX only supports OpenGL 2.0

 

lol.. another reason 8700 may be more useful... cool!

 

Please refrain from personal attacks...

On a side-note, I just analyzed the Demo, It uses OpenGL.

 

Aw phooey. Rain on my parade why don't ya'

 

WOW all this is confusing
So whts a person to get in a laptop ?
Should I make sure i have a Dx10 in my Laptop or 9750GTX card or if its a Santa Rosa in it
Which is more Imp to look & get ?

 

Your own personal interests and needs are what you need to look out for and get

 

if you want it cheap and will be upgrading to DX10 once the 8800 (or 8900) hit the market, you can go for the 8700 ... he's £100 pound cheaper (for the rock Xtreme 770) than the 9750

(don't know if the price difference is the same everywhere ... so you might want to check that out first )

 

just wait until open gl 3.0

dx 10 cards can use it

 

I'm not going to say I agree with this or not. I will say that I've researched a lot, and I have evaulated the desktop 8 series cards at Newegg quite a bit. Here is what I have learned from people actually using the cards:

-People who purchased the 8600 GT card feel that it is the best value DX10 out now. Those running it in SLI have compared it to about the same as running ONE 8800GTX (except cheaper).

-The reviews for the 8600 cards are, on the whole, extremely positive.

Sooo if it's true that the 8700m is the equal of an 8600 card and that two of them is the same as running two 8600 GT desktop cards, that seems to make a lot of PC users happy.

In reality, I don't believe that these cards will be unable to play DX10. An Ultra struggling? I don't think so. PC devleopers want to profit and fewer than what? 1% of the market would even own an 8800 card. It just doesn't add up.

 

It should be noted that, at least from what I gather, the DX10 we have now is utter crap. We can't really evaluate what DX10 will be like since AFAIC it sounds like the only games available are DX10 "Alpha". The real DX10 will come in the next few months, or at Chrysistime - I mean Christmastime.

 

Well that's exactly why I think most devs will use more time on DX9 than DX10.
So DX10 will run slower as DX9 because they don't spend as much time on optimization of DX10 than DX9. So DX10 will become popular and fast as time goes by and more and more "mainstream" users get DX10 cards...
Just my opinion

 

Hackman, you just brought a point i didn't realize, within mainstream gamers, we're gonna be getting the newest high end cards as they arrive, not RIGHT as they arrive, but sporadically, and the next cards to come out will be the 8800s and above. THe thing is, the 8800s will compare, bench and Fps with the 7950, except it will have DX10 SUpport!!! so think about this, wen ppl start getting this new card thats just as good with DX10, devs may actually see this as a sign to go ahead with DX10 games... no? just my opinion.. wat u guys think?

 

Well I'm not considering me or you "mainstream" as DTR laptops are a small percentage of the also small but growing laptop community
I also had these words of anandtech in my mind, when talking about mainstream:
"Both NVIDIA and AMD were very upset over how little we thought of their DX10 class mainstream hardware. They both argued that graphics cards are no longer just about 3D, and additional video decode hardware and DX10 support add a lot of value above the previous generation. We certainly don't see it this way. Yes, we can't expect last years high-end performance to trickle down to the low-end segment, but we should at least demand that this generation's $150 part will always outperform last generation's."
Basically it's not the highend gamers that count, but the average guy (because there are more of them)

 

Unfortunate, but true.

Also, with the whole bit about the DX10 demos sucking wind... most benchmarks of the 8xxx seris have been performed at obscene resolutions. Not many other gfx boards before the 8 series ever benched at 2560xwhatever. And even then, at normal-people screen resolutions, the 88's are getting very playable framerates on the DX10 stuff. Don't discount low numbers; first understand how low the low really is.

 

yea... the mainstream ppl are the average joes, but then again these high-end cards are not intended for the "average joe" cuz joe wouldn't care about the newest games, "joe" cares about making spreadsheat, typing reports and going online. when a company talks in terms of HIGH-end cards they Must know that only ppl looking for these high-end cards are listening. In other words, these companies know gamers are the only ones who care about the newest cards, they're releasing these reports for a reason... DX10 is already an option on new games that are coming out soon, so imagine two years from now, thats a VERY long time in the world of technology.

 

actually they were benchmarked at a very modest 1280*1024 resolution.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3029&p=3

 

damn right!

I found this thread. Very interesting.
I'm thinking about buying a Frankenstein and then make the upgrade to the 8800GTX.

Right now GF 8700M isn't the right choice for me.
One question: the MXM technology is a reality on this notebooks?
Clevo has always used a personal connection it's strange that now they use MXM

 

its used cause its a much more easier way to upgrade, especially for these companies, it helps and hurts. It hurts them cause us consumers can upgrade ourselves, bad for them. It helps them cause most ppl wouldnt dare touch the insides of a laptop!! all those cards and metal pieces look like a maze to an inexperienced person, but to companies, wen these ppl buy warranties and upgrade plans, its easier for them to work on it wen they get it back. and the majority of the world is not to savvy on how to correctly take apart, let alone change, parts in their laptop. again, many are waiting for this 8800 cuz its supposed to be a BIG leap from the 8700, i dont see it that way, but again, only my opinion. im waiting only two more weeks, since i need it for college. in that time im expecting to see SLi 8700s which will DEF handle many upcoming DX10 games

 

well a desktop 8800gts is about twice as powerful as a desktop 8600GT. 2 8600GT on SLI is not twice as powerful as a single 8600GT however. So 8800gts>8600GT SLI.
A 8800GTS is already struggling with current DX10 games,
thus 8600GT SLI will struggle with current DX10 games.
About upcoming DX10 games? who knows

 

but wat about SLi 8700s? is the 8800 desktop twice as powerful as the 8700?

 

So you believe that in about 2 weeks DPC or Sager can have the D901C with 2 x 8700M?

 

PCmicro and avadirect should have them within two weeks... however someone from Sager actually told me they pushed the date back and that these other companies are lying to get business.... avadirect maybe, but PCmicro has a very good reputation, plus they could get sued if they say they have it and give me somthing else lol... so im not 100% on the next 2 weeks thing. im continuously on the fone with many companies. wen i spend above 3grand.. i do my research

 

I have to disagree. I believe the number has gone up to 5%, that is, models from the last year (or maybe even two). If you look at it, more and more notebooks are coming with MXM. And now nVidia says that all 8 series are going to be MXM compatible (I read that on another post, not sure if it's accurate). Result: more notebooks with MXM. Therefore, it'll soon be less than 1% are not MXM upgradeable. That's the way I see it.

 

8800gts 320MB is twice as powerful as a 8700M, and its more powerful than a 8700M SLI(SLI don't equal twice the power)
8800GTX is probably 2.5 times more powerful than a 8700M
8800 Ultra is probably 2.8 times more powerful than a 8700M

 

I'm no longer listening to any of these companies on their own personal "forecast" of the new nvidia cards, or SLI, or vista sli drivers. Besides, even if they did know and were being honest, we all know that nvidia and microsoft both delay releases on everything after they leaked any word.

 

We are not just talking gaming capable notebooks.... I was referring to all the notebooks on the market for sale.

You will find that the majority have integrated video (mainly 2D)... because most people will not need more than that. That makes up for over 90%-ish of notebooks purchased. The 10%-ish (and that number is pushing it) left over are for the enthusiast market that are looking for media, gaming capable notebooks (starting with ATI X200/X1100 and Nvidia 6100/6150), mobile workstations, etc.... And of those, less than 1% is capable of upgrading.

So the statistics seem staggering... but its the inductive way to figure things out.

 

I don't trust this kind of companies I prefer gamers companies like Alienware, Sager, DPC,ecc

But PCmicro and avadirect are in the uk ?

 

PCmicro based in CA, actually have a big reputation, Ava based in OH, prolly not as trusted.

 

I had a lot of luck with hypersonic. http://www.hypersonic-pc.com
the EQ7 (mine) is the intel/nvidia sli based system. the other aviator beside it is the amd based system

 

*keeps bumped until pc microworks releases that sli 8700 system*

 

im leaving for school august 26th.... and wont be home from the 1st through the 10th of august.... if its not ready by tuesday... i have to order on the 10th... in which im seriously worried it wont make it in time!!!....
the 8700 betta be worth it, im not doubting it, but it seems as though a majority of ppl feel its betta off get SLI 7950s, or wait till the 8800s...
if any1 would like to reassure me that the 8700 wont be drastically far behind the 8800 and will be the correct MXM type to upgrade to future cards... feel free

 

pc microworks awful website

 

What do you prefer toshiba x205 or Sager NP5790?

 

sager NP5790

 

sager NP5790 well the price of the x205 isnt welcoming as the value for money is concerned. also the 8700 is a weak card some ppl may disagree but its true, its better to get the 7950gtx and wait for the 8800's.

 

The 8700Gt would be my choice if you plan on using Direct X10 games.

When there are new games out that are built purely on the DX10 architecture, DX10 cards will show a 20% or so increase in performance over their own DX9 performance.

this will be because instead of relying on pure processing power as the predecessor DX's used, DX10 is built from the ground up and uses an efficient system where pipelines are individually used to get 100% effectiveness out of your graphics card at all times.

It is the magic of DX10.

And I'm not talking about Vanguard DX10 or COH DX10. I'm talking ground up DX10 games.

Lemme find the video link for what I based this on.

VIDEO: http://youtube.com/watch?v=x7aPvedU7cI&mode=related&search=

 

if you want the best DX10 (8800M), then get a 8600 or 8700 now: they're usually cheaper than the 7950
that means you save some money to buy the 8800M later

 

thats assuming you can upgrade to 8800M, which is far from a sure thing.

 

that's something everybody has to decide for himself
i for one really do expect it to be possible

 

RE: CLEVO NOTEBOOKBrian Liaw [[email protected]]
You replied on 8/5/2007 4:20 PM.

To: William Rickert
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Hi William, we should have this 8800 Video Card in around 2 weeks from
now!
Sorry, I don't have the price for you yet, please check our website for
the update information!
Thanks,


BRIAN LIAW
Sales Manager
18005 Cortney Court
City of Industry, CA 91748
626-964-8682 (California)
800-669-1624
[email protected]
www.sagernotebook.com


-----Original Message-----
From: William Rickert [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:47 AM
To: Brian Liaw
Subject: RE: CLEVO NOTEBOOK

Bummer I need DX 10 and this card won't do it. Please make sure to email
me the second the 8800 is available.

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From: Brian Liaw [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tue 7/24/2007 12:27 PM
To: William Rickert
Subject: RE: CLEVO NOTEBOOK



Hi Bill, D900C we only using 7950GTX now, if you want 8800; it have to
wait
another month!
thanks,


Brian Liaw
Sales Manager
18005 cortney court
City of Industry, CA 91748
1-800-669-1624 x 106
626-964-8682 x 106 ( S.California )
FAX: 626-964-2381
[email protected]
www.sagernotebook.com


-----Original Message-----
From: William Rickert [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 8:17 PM
To: Brian Liaw
Subject: RE: CLEVO NOTEBOOK

Hi Brian,

I think I've settled on your D900C but I want it packed with a GeForce
8800.
How long do I have to wait for the 8800?

Thanks again,
Bill