Gtx 660m

Would be so fun if the 660M is faster than the 670M.

 

if thats the case, it means the price also will be lower

 

Seems like wishful thinking...

 

Well that depends on small kepler, the replacement for the 550ti and if it's any good.

 

Here is some food for Thought.

Look at Samsung and other notebook manufacturers that are releasing gamer machines that have a less than 1" thick profile in the next few months. They are using the 675M, where they were using 540M and 555M processors before in that form factor.

Why is it possible NOW to put the 675M in those machines? If they were simply a re-badge, would they not still run incredibly hot and require a larger profiled body to cool them and power them? Would they not cost several hundred dollars more than the price points we are seeing pre-launch?

 

you are right but the samsung notebook with the 675m is the sucessor to the samsung 7 series gaming notebook which is quite large and had the 6970m so its not really thin

which other notebooks do you mean though?

 

If there was a form factor of difference the TDP would be lower.

 

I don't know off the top of my head, but im fairly certain we were supposed to see some smaller form factor machines with the 670-675?

 

are they still going for MXMb3.0?

 

you sure? Ive only heard of the asus g55 and that samsung gaming notebook.. and the asus is extremely big imo

The rumour that the asus n55 also has a 670m was only speculation and not an official spec

 

I must be mistaken then. Its been a long morning.

 

It isn't impossible for the 675M to be both still 40nm and yet at a lower TDP than the 580M.

They've been manufacturing the process for so long, one would have to think it's matured and become more power efficient.

Yes, all accounts show that it's still the 3.0b format.

 

My 580m (and most for that matter) runs with 0.80v in 3D mode (stock 0.87v).
Which reduces the current drawn from the card by around 25 Watts...
So there is a lot they can do by just reducing the 3D voltage levels.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware-m18x/626005-m18x-power-draw-tested.html

 

ok so im not sure if the pictures of the 670m and 675m are fake!



First of all: I cant find any 292.62 forceware driver from nvidia

Second: The only references I found to the 670m and 675m are from this driver which is from november 2011.. I havent checked all 28x drivers, but this was the latest with references to the 670m/675m

v285.86 Windows 7/Vista 32bit | NVIDIA Mobile - LaptopVideo2Go Forums

Just search with ctrl + f for 675m or 670m.. As you can see the Device ID matches.. I suspect that gpu-z works by reading out driver information, maybe this was abused to create a fake, thats why no ivy bridge cpu z?

I will certainly look into reverse engineering (I have a little experience) some older drivers from nvidia that contain these models, I just have to find out how gpu-z retreats its info from the drivers..

Its interesting to see that the current 295.73 driver doesnt have any references to the 675m/670m/n13p/etc

EDIT: I just saw that there are private drivers obviously like the 295.22 which asus had on their laptops and samsung too.. so I could be wrong

 

Anyhow, if it's not kepler 28nm, it's very simple, don't buy it, it will be not worth it.

 

Written by Nvidia Italy in their facebook page (translation):

Along with this picture



Sneaky people. I don`t think Kepler is so far away.

 

Kepler will be here soon and Yes, it will be all it's cracked up to be. Everyone here can speculate all they want but in the end, you don't know . You don't even know if these Kepler benchmarks and screens are real. Even if they are real, you don't know how early of a build was tested. None of us know. Hell, these benchmark results could have likely been planted by AMD just so you run out and buy one of their chips before Kepler arrives and blows it out of the water just like Intel has on the CPU end. Nvidia will eventually run AMD in to the ground. When they do, AMD will be stuck making "budget cards" just like they got stuck with making "budget chips".

 

They lost a sale to me. I just bought a Dual 6990 rig..

 

nvidia speaking like this and then releasing bunch of rebadges doesn't make any sense at all, they would make a fool of themselves, I am sure it will be more than these fake GPU-Z shots (I am not hoping for a miracle like 70% either, but I know it will be better than 675m = 580m)

 

I agree, although they could only speak about desktop cards..

I still dont think that they will rebadge again

 

The question is how long will it take Nvidia to make a mobile Kepler once the desktop Kepler`s are out. Or do they release both desktop and mobile at the same time.
All I know is that AMD is taking their time with their next generation mobile GPUs. 1 month have gone since 7970 was released and we still haven`t heard anything from them about 7970M. If they release the 7970M in April it have taken them 3 months since they released the desktop 7970. If it takes the same time for Nvidia to do the same, we are talking about a July release.

I just checked when GTX 460 was released and it was in July 2010. GTX 460M came in September same year. It took almost 2 months for the mobile version to come out. 400 series was an entire new architecture (Fermi) so maybe they will do the same here too?

 

the problem is that more than probably the 7870 is going to be the 7970m, and we still havent heard about neither

 

That is true. With the 6000 series, we had the 6850 releasing on October 2010 and the 6970m was based on that GPU. 6970m didnt release before February the following year. That is 4 months after the 6850 which it was based on. However 6970 came in Desember 2010 while 6970m 2 months after....

 

Lets just agree that waiting so long is bs when ivy bridge gets delayed till june and after even -.-

 

The 7800 series is being debuted at CeBIT, which is why it and the 7900M are going to pop up at the same.

If all of Ivy Bridge is truly delayed until July, that doesn't mean we won't see the new GPUs until then; it's not like AMD and Nvidia are going to sit on their hands for three months. If anything, they'll pressure Clevo/Alienware to refresh their current machines with the new options.

 

The pressure has probably already been applied. I figure models with MXM GPUs will get the Boost right out of the gate. The models with soldered GPUs will likely wait it out until Ivy Bridge.

 

Are you so shure about that Kevin? It is under 1 week to CeBit and we haven`t heard anything, at all, about 7900M series. For something new, AMD is extremely quiet about performance. I haven`t seen any leaks about any details either. I think it is weird especially when we usually have chinese sites testing out the chips because they have gotten hold on some of the GPUs that have been shipped out to OEMs and hardware vendors. No leaks, no shipped out 7900M GPUs? Very strange

And Ivy Bridge isn`t delayed to June. It is delayed a few weeks, to early May.

 

The 6900M came 3 months after the desktop 6800 so I'm expecting the same here.

 

Darn . . . .

 

I think it could be announced.. or Paper Launched there. We should be hearing about it or seeing some kind of leaked stuff about it by now though.

 

CeBIT CeBIT CeBIT

 

Anandtech just did a review on the 7870 and 7850. I am pretty sure all specs will be carried over except for clock speed.
EDIT: 7870 is paper launched, hard launch is march 19

 

7870 is smaller die size and consumes 10% less power than the 6870 in real world tests by Guru3d .

 

I don;t know about that man.. The Full Load draw from the 7870 is over 200watts, and the 7850 is over 170watts.

I figure the 7770 desktop card, which is just over 100 watts, will become the mobile part.

 

Lol WTH, the 7870 has max tdp of 130w, where hell are you pulling those numbers from? You're probably reading "Full SYSTEM!! power consumption", not the card itself. Guru3d has deduced from tests that the 7870 consumes 127W at full load.

 

HardOCP Must have picked up the wrong number. (Review i read, and minused-out the system wattage)

http://hardocp.com/article/2012/03/04/amd_radeon_hd_7870_7850_video_card_review/13

 

If the Nvidia's mobile lineup is a bunch of refreshes I think AMD will have this won this generation unless the 680m is something spectacular.

 

They're testing in terms of Full System, without the card it pulls 67W so you subtract that from Full Load with card, and subtract the system idle W, and you get 127W, just about Max TDP. Guru3d Concurs http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-radeon-hd-7850-and-7870-review/7

 

you guys always confuse TDP with power consumption.

 

some french person undervolted the 7870 and achieved 94w

Spécifications, Radeon HD 7850 et 7870 de référence - AMD Radeon HD 7850 & 7870 en test - HardWare.fr

Wow, if we can get this in our Sagers, it would be amazing

 

7870 looks strong, implies a good 7990m, will see

I still think 680m will beat 7990m nicely, time will tell

EDIT: BAH! 3fps over 560Ti in BF3 1920x1200 ultra 4xMSAA, implies doesn't worth it... who keeps on playing DX9 games where 7870 shines? look to DX11 games, it is almost little over 560Ti

Well, it is interesting, beats the hell out of 560Ti in Skyrim... Interesting GPU indeed

The explanation is because 560Ti has 1GB VRAM and cannot load high res textures apparently

 

BF3 is very nvidia biased but the 580 is only 10FPS ahead of the 560ti itself. Just a poorly coded game in general.

 

BF3 (frostbite2) poorly coded game in general????? wow, what is a better coded game??

 

He meant is the engine is ineffecient thus doesnt scale very well on current GPUs

 

I was throughly impressed by the 7870 performance, if that would land in the form of a 7990m, it would be close to 50% performance improvement

The 7850 aint shabby at all as well

 

But how long will it take for the 7990M to come out? It was 3 months between the desktop 6800's and the 6970M and another 6 months before the 6990M came out.

I hope it won't take that long this time.

 

No reason to assume the timing will be substantially different, I'd hazard a guess it would perhaps take even longer due to yield problems for the 28mm process (sure only Nvidia has officially made this excuse and whined about it, but no reason to assume Amd is in exponentially better shape themselves). Luckily the 7970m will atleast be seeing the light of day soon, and we have every reason to believe/hope it will surpass the 580m and perhaps even compete with a 560ti. I'm perfectly fine with "settling" for the best Mobile Gpu in the world, even if it will be trumped by its big brother the 7990 2 months later. As long as it goes for a reasonable price relative to the 580m/675m and the future 7990m I'm sold.

 

Holy..... 1280 GCN processors are trully a force to be reckoned with. If this ends up being the HD7990m, I will be mighty impressed with the performance jump.

Damm.

The HD7850 seemed to be plagued by lots of issues tho, it definitely dissapointed a bit. I hope they iron out the issues so that it trully outperforms the HD6950.

My HD5870m is so weak and old now... I need one of these fine new gpus!

 

I wonder how the AMD / Globalfoundries deal will change things?

 

Can't believe i read most of these posts lol, but frankly all I really care about is if the 6xx series will be compatible with my M17x R3.