How To Overclock The Ati 5650?

I've used the clocks 650/1050 on my Acer 3820TG, and still no crashes or errors after 1 week of gameplay.

But im starting to worry that it's a little to much? anyone who have experience with how much the 5650 chip can handle?

 

On my vaio I can't go any higher than 650/900 or it will crash.
I don't know if this can hurt the card in any way, that's what I'm trying to figure out.

 

I've been playing games at 650/950 with no problems for a couple of months now so it should be fine for you too. Overclocking doesn't damage cards directly - it's all about the temps. Because in Vaio laptops the 5650 is undervolted there's less chance of overheating. The max temp my 5650 has ever reached while overclocked is 70 degrees which is perfectly safe for a laptop gpu.

 

Mine doesn't go any higher than 62°C. I've uploaded this vid so you can see what happens.

By the way, in games it doesn't crash to the desktop. It freezes, goes black just like in this vid, and then resumes the game like nothing ever happened. If the clocks are too high it repeats this sequence with just a few seconds in between, so it's impossible to navigate through the menu and quit the game.

So, is there a way to voltmod my card? And how dangerous is it?

 

some overclock better than others, that is the nature of the beast.
about voltmodding, increasing the voltage will always shorten the expected life of the card, however if properly cooled, the damage is minimal and will probably still be running after it's obselete, just don't go too overboard with it. usually .1 or .2 is more than enough.

i use RBE to modify my vcore, however i undervolted since i wanted lower temps at stock and have some headroom to do so.

 

Not possible at the moment, no. To do that you'd need to mod the vBIOS, but there's no way of extracting it right now. It's easy enough on the high-end GPUs but the 5650 is a PITA because it's an integrated part of the mobo, so the vBIOS is a part of the system BIOS as opposed to relatively standalone on the high-end GPUs

 

Well, that sucks But how come Acers and several other laptop manufacturers have a normal volted 5650?

 

It just depends on what the OEM wants; more power, or less heat/power consumption. The 450MHz and 550MHz are both official ATI specs for the 5650.

 

So is 650/800 in the Deviltech Fire DTX

 

650/800 from the factory is a 5730. Pretty much the same thing as a 5650, just higher clocked.

 

Well here it says that a 5650's core can be clocked between 450 and 650:

 

Yes, they're all the same part, the clock speed (and hopefully higher binning) determines whether it's a 5730 or a 5650. The specs say there may be a 650 5650, but then it would be no different than the 5730, so what would be the point? ATI may spec a bunch of possible configs, but never put any of them into production, like the 5750 and 5770, which are spec'd, but not actually used in any laptop. Unless of course you can show us an example of a production laptop that comes with a 5650 actually clocked at 650???

 

Deviltech is also a brand, just not as big as sony, dell, hp or acer.
And if it says on the site: core clock speeds between 450 and 650, what more proof do you need? They're almost the same cards, except for the shader cores it would seem.

And Asus and Acer do feature laptops with a 5730. Just check the of the page bottom here.

I'm just saying, if those are the specs, every normal volted 5650 should be able to do 650/800 without any problems.

 

Of course they do, and so does Dell, just look at my sig . But nobody uses the 57 50 or 57 70.

Not to drag this out, but nowhere on the DevilTech site does it give the clockspeed for the 5650. Not to mention that DevilTech doesn't make laptops, they just configure and resell barebones from various manufactures. The DevilTech "Fire DTX", the one with the 5650 is a rebadged Compal NBLB2, which is actually clocked at 600MHz from what I can tell, but there really isn't much out there on it...

 

If you want a link on clock speeds you can check it here. I know Deviltech just configures barebones, but they sell all there Fire DTX with a 5650 at these clock speeds, hence the 450-650 numbers if you look up the general clocks speeds of a 5650 Btw you seem to be right about the 5750 and 5770 thing

But anyway, I just want to figure out a way to voltmod my 6550, even if my memory is already getting stressed at 950 in games after an hour.
I just want to get my core speed above 640 because right now the voltage won't allow it

I really dislike Sony for this. Don't get me wrong, this is a good laptop (besides the screen, it's terrible) but why undervolt a card that if stressed to its absolute maximum while undervolted doesn't go over 62°C? It's not like it'll hit 80°C when I give it 0.5V more.

 

Just to test it out, I tried overclocking the 5730 just to see how high I could get it. I wasn't sure if it would overclock much higher than the 5650, as they are the same part and all.

I managed to get it to run 3DMark06 at 825/1100, for just over 10k points (compared to 8050 marks at stock speeds). Mine runs at 1.1v by default, and I didn't overvolt at all. The GPU temp maxed out at 66C without any external cooling.

I guess the 5730s must be higher binned parts than the 5650s, though theoretically, somebody could get lucky and hit the same speeds with a 5650, assuming their laptops had adequate cooling solutions.

 

The Mobility 5730 is probably a desktop 5570 w/GDDR3, while the Mobility 5650 is a 5550.

Just a cherry-picked piece, which can handle higher clocks.

 

Any luck on the voltmod? Another thing that I noticed when overclocking is that the voltage option in the AMD GPU tool doesn't do anything, you can change it, but the card changes the voltage right back to default, whether you were trying to increase, or even decrease the voltage. I've done voltmods through BIOS mods on a desktop card, but I don't think that's possible on mobile GPUs.

Yeah, but even if it's a cherry-picked piece, you should theoretically still be able to hit the same clocks with a 5650. I mean, if they hit their quota of 5730s, I'd assume that they'd stop testing chips and just label all of the remainder as 5650s; even ones that could possibly qualify as 5730s. If you get one of the 5650s that 'could have been' 5730s, they should be able to hit the same clocks. Unless of course, the manufacturer specifically picked the 5650 as opposed to the 5730 because the lower temps allow for cheaper cooling solutions or smaller/lighter chassis (like with Sony's undervolt/clocking)

 

Ive got the same GPU, and mine is also downclocked, will it make that much more heat if its up to its core speed? Does it reduce the longetivity of the system?

 

Men, I really want to have your helps,

Just the headache issue when even I play the game in lowest config, it still have the "slightly lag at every 5 seconds.

Game playing: Devil maycry 3, GTA SA, GTA IV, Tomb Raider Underworld.

It happens with all the game, not only with the hard case like GTA IV.

Laptop: vaio ea16fg: i520, card 5650

Thanks in advance

 

The 5730 has a base voltage 0.1v higher than most 5650s at 1.000v, which is why it can handle the higher clocks. Then some 5650s are volted lower still at 0.950v. So theoretically the 5650 could hit the same clocks as the 5730 all things being equal, but the voltage holds it back.

There's no way that I know of modding the voltage. Because the 5650 is an integrated part of the mobo, it doesn't actually have it's own individual, standalone vBIOS, so it's not possible to extract or manipulate it. Some mobile GPUs you can voltmod, some you can't.

 

Along the same lines, does anyone know of a bios flasher that will work with the ATI mobility cards? I'd like to make my OC permanent, but all the flash tools I know of won't work on a laptop, though I have read posts from others in this forum claiming they did just that. Could someone post a link?

 

I asked this before but i didnt get a response, laptop gets pretty hot during gaming, if i OC it will it do long term damage to the mobo?

 

How hot is pretty hot?

 

Im asking in general, is there long term damage when you overclock a laptop GPU?

I tried 600/850 from stock (450/800) and my 3DMarkVantage score went from 2563 to 3100. My laptop is mid-range and i seem to have pushed it further than what other peoples

 

If you don't know what you're doing it's like using a stimpack on a marine. You get a performance boost at the cost of overall longevity. Without some specific GPU temperatures, laptop model, and cooling measures, then I'm not sure there's much we can do for you.

 

High 70s are perfectly fine. Mid-80s are fine if you're overclocking. Don't let it sit in high 80s for an extended period of time, and if you hit 90 you should turn down the overclock. You can run forever with an overclock without any permanent damage as long as it stays below the mid-80s.

 

Okay fair enough, my current laptop is a Toshiba Satallite Pro, the reason why i was so worried about damage is that the GPU happens to be integrated with the chip, if that fries, then the whole thing is gone.

Are you 100% sure that staying in the mid 80s, i dont risk ANY long term damage? Would getting a cooler be worth it? Fortunately the only games that need OCing so far are WiC and Crysis.

 

If that's the case, you can't overclock it in the first place. You should have mentioned that off the bat, which is, I think, what bchreng was getting at.

 

Sorry integrated with the MOBO, which is im guessing just about every laptop since you cant swap them out?

 

Oh, ok, yeah, that's like 99% of all laptops. With the 5650 you're good as long as you don't break mid-80s on a sustained basis. You shouldn't hit that high anyway, unless you find a way to mess with the voltage. My 5730 doesn't break 79C, even with a 830/1105 overclock with FurMark and Prime95 running at 100% with no external cooling. That's only 3C warmer than with stock clocks. Every laptop is different though.

 

Fair enough, ill see how far i can go on stock, what are the chances that my chip might be a binned 5730 or how could i find out, i got the laptop a few weeks ago in the UK.

 

If it was binned as a 5730, then it would be a 5730. It is possible that it could be equal to a 5730, but just wasn't binned. The only way to tell would be to see how well it overclocks. Though if it's stock undervolted like with the guys with the Sony's you'll probably never get it that high.

 

Hi All

I have just purchased a Toshiba L670 14F and its gpu is Ati 5650. I read most of the posts in this topic and downloaded Amd Gpu Clock Tool v0.9.26.0 to overclock my 5650. I am using two operating systems (XP Sp3 and Win7) and this programme worked just fine at Win7 with scoring 13550 at 3DMark05 at the resolution of 1024x768 (OC@625-900). The problem is, it didn't work with XP and after overclocking to @625-900 i got the score of 11700, which is exactly the same score of default gpu clocks. I checked everything and nothing was wrong with the adjustments of Catalyst and overclock programme. I also downloaded the 0.9.8v of the same programme but this newer one even didnt work at the very beginning with saying "can not dedect the hardware". I want to learn which version of this programme works fine with XP (another working programme is also fine). It is important for me cause, cracks of some of the old games that i want to play do not work with Win7 (Oblivion, Far Cry...etc) and i have to play them with XP.

Thanks

 

Install GPU-Z. If the AMD tool is working, you would see the overclock displayed by GPU-Z, that way you'd know for sure at least. If not... Maybe that version of AMD GPU tool doesn't work with the XP drivers. You'd have to try a hacked version of RivaTuner instead.

 

I do OC my 5650 everyday for gaming and the max values I can go without freezing or crashing are:

670/1050

I can´t understand why someone can get it to 725 core, mine even freezes at 700 after a minute or so...

 

That's the whole point really with overclocking. The manufacturer sets the stock clocks for the max speed that is 100% stable for every single chip, which is around 550 for the 5650. Some can exceed this, and that's what overclocking takes advantage of. Some by a little, some by alot, some not at all. It's a total crapshoot on whether your particular chip is a good overclocker or not. If they could all run stable at 725, then the chip would be stock clocked at 725.

 

The vbios is probably loaded by the system bios on bootup. Consider the info here to bootup an overclocked vbios.

 

Yeah, I figured that the vBIOS and system BIOS were the same, but I thought that meant I was out of luck. I didn't know that you could separate the two, adjust the vBIOS, and then repackage them. Thanks a lot for the info!

 

Well i oc my 5650 each day as well, stable on 700/900.

Dell studio 17.

Never charsed before.

 

Come on friends, i need an overclock tool link for XP. I tried AMD GPU Clock Tool ver. 0.7, 0.9.26.0 and 0.9.8. Ati Tool ver. 0.26 and Riva Tuner 2.24 didn't work too... 0.9.26.0 worked just fine with Win7 but it is ineffective with XP.

 

Hmmm. I unpacked the BIOS, used RBE to edit it, repacked the BIOS, and flashed. Everything went great, and I was sure it would work. However, nothing happened. It flashed, but the clocks are still the same I'll have to play with it a bit more.

 

Maybe do the hex edit as described here to change the clocks, then repack the bios and flash? The example sees a Acer 5820TG's HD5470 overclocked successfully via a patched bios from to 750/800 to 900/1100.

EDIT: I just did the bios mod on the CQ41, overclocking the HD4350 from 450/800 to 770/900. I found modding the VBIOS using RBE didn't work. Manually modding the VBIOS as described here did work.

 

Awesome, thanks. That did the trick. My 5730 is now permanently 750/1000, a safe but significant 15% boost in clock and 25% boost in memory!!!

 

Okay well my system runs stable with OCs, but obviously laptop GPUs get hot, how is gaming reducing the lifespan of it? Its just that i did quite a lot of gaming with my X3100, and now its performance is nowhere near as good as it was.

 

Nevermind, I just realized that we already answered this question for you earlier in the thread.

Of course the (I'm assuming you mean X1300) isn't as good as it was, the thing is over 4 years old. If you haven't done a fresh install on that system in 4 years there could be all kinds of junk on it slowing down your performance slightly. Also, there's no way to tell that it's your GPU that's slowing down, and not one of the many other aging components, unless you could compare an old GPU benchmark to a current one.

 

Kinda hard to mod my sony lappy with that hex thing, can't find stock 450/790 values.

 

It should be:

450 = 45000 = 00AFC8 | reversed = C8AF00
790 = 79000 = 013498 | reversed = 983401

Put together =

C8AF00983401

That's what you should be searching for.

If you can't find it either you're looking in the wrong file, or 450/790 are the wrong values.

 

Also, for those of you with the undervolted Sony's, you could mod the BIOS to change your voltage back to normal, significantly improving your clocks.

However, remember that Sony undervolted them for a reason, and they may not be able to handle the increased heat. If you're willing to experiment and take that risk, this would be a great way to do it.

 

What im talking about is gaming in general, will that in the long run damage the parts?

As for my older GPU, it was indeed an Intel X3100, i used to do a lot of 3D PSone hardware emulation and played older RTS games such as AoM or C&C Generals, now regardless of being a fresh install or an update to it, my 3D performance sucks. At one point my Windows rating would be 3.5 on a fresh install and 3.6 with drivers, which is highly reported by others, now it stays at 3.4.

Sorry if im longing this now, but you say that my 5650 just might be a 5730 but underclocked, would that mean i can OC my 5650 to 5730 levels it goes to safely? I know you said staying at the right temps will be fine, but ive read reports about how laptops fail 30% of the time after 3 years. Luckily mine is a Toshiba, and according to that report its 16%.