How will Ampere scale on laptops?

Add Clevo X170 and derivatives to the list.

 

Any benchmarks yet ?

Besides, is anyone able to open the benchmark runs from 3D Mark search results for 3080/70 Notebook GPUs? It says that the results are hidden from search. There’s a time spy run with a graphics score of 12.8k and I’d like to find out which machine posted it.

The hidden link :
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/17802505

 

I'm not sure, I'm not in the DTR market. No compromises for me: desktop for max performance / upgradeability + mobile laptop with decent battery life and no fire hazard. it's impossible to get all this in one device, unfortunately.

 

@Papusan the 5800h benchmark results you wanted

 

If this is the way the desktop replacements keep going my Alienware might be my last too. These Ampere cards are super disappointing and the dynamic boost is dumb. If you stick a 150w cpu and 200w gpu in a device give it 350w+ of cooling not 250w and let the components fight for who needs it.

 

If an OEM wanted to deliver a killer DTR, they could, but they have some reasons not to.

 

hey guys new scores{rtx3080 -130w} with new drivers
https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugxgfcfut6UpNLrQ3qB4AaABCQ
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgytiqHXP-nhqDdQsM14AaABCQ

 

To avoid confusion, can we clearly state if this is 130W(+15W) or 115W+15W=up to 130W?

 

its 115w+15w

 

Now imagine 185w+15w or 200w+15w.

 

Probably best to just say 115W then, since the extra +15W is probably enabled in all Ampere. My old 2070MQ 90W sometimes boosts to 100W, but it's still 90W basically.

 

That is the same guy «Geremoy» posting good results on benchmark and bad results (low FPS) while gaming. HUM...i have my doubt but still good syntethic benchmark results.

 

Yep, probably time to switch to a benchmark that is based on the latest DX engine but generates heavier CPU load (not sure which one).

 

Maybe Final Fantasy XIV Shadowbringers Benchmark. It's free, goes 6 minuntes and creates a realistic gaming load.

 

I just compare his bench RDR2 with mine using his setting and he was acutally 20% stronger in FPS. Seems his driver update helped a lot. One thing for sure these new 32 cards brings a lot of confusion about there performance.

Edit: @etern4l Correction: I re-ran my test and (same progression he was this time) and my results we're similar. This is far from scientific and prooves nothing as it's not even a benchmark in game. Still waiting for better review.

 

Yeah, I don't like the coating on the palmrest on my AW 17 who is prone to peal of if you don't baby it. Same also for the choice of coating that turn into yellowish as some newer models. Both properly discovered and explained on the web. I prefer proper old fashion black plastic who is easily to clean with what you have home.

All types of coating has more disadvantages than the opposite. And none will manage to make it right. Otherwise yeah, the screen hinges and the metal body is of sturdy and vey good quality. Difficult to make it all correct. They all will fail in one or another way. Alu palmrest is probably the best choice. Both for longeivity and cleaning

All those results have I seen (expected) from before. Not the results we talk about here in the thread.

But from all reviews, different graphics setups with same AMD 5 series processors, 3DM search... They all look bad.

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One of the reasons Nvidia didn't want put their new Micron vRam in laptops. Cost is one thing. Same also the ongoing shortage of components. And Hot running components doesn't exactly fits well in nowadays thin and slimy either.


GDDR6X in 3080 and 3090 Hits 110C While Mining Ethereum

 

Yeah, heard the rubberized coating on can lose its properties after a couple of years, black metal chassis tends to look beautiful though. Slick and clean as on day 1.

 

so basically his card is 130w + 20w boost = 150w card in his GE66
https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugx2P0UBx09zxM6Is3N4AaABCQ

 

Have to be careful about those max power draws. Is the GPU capable of sustaining this for any useful length of time under load, even with low CPU draw? Ideally we'd see a time series.
What app is the screenshot of BTW? Edit: ah, GPU-Z -indeed funny the whole graph is not included in the screenshot.

 

A peak value doesn't say much. What's the avg power draw over a longer time? Why he doesn't show the graph or avg-value?

Just an example with my 2070MQ: (Max: 90,6w, Avg: 12,2w)

 

LOL.
3 days we are trying to figure out this guy «Geremoy» TGP.
First it was: 130W, then it became 115W and now it's 150W.

Thank you Nvidia for kepping it simple for us.

 

Glad i wont be buying a new laptop anytime soon. What a mindf**k.

 

Once it goes up to 165W, I'm calling Photoshop on his weird screenshots:

 

Gigabyte aero 17 with RTX 3080 Max-q @105w (90w+15w)

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Gigab...-review-Debut-for-Nvidia-Ampere.517066.0.html



Very very underwhelming

 

WOW those 3dmark scores for a 3080 are super disappointing, 105w version anyways. But light and thin seems here to stay.

 

Gig was at first listing those laptops as max Q when they went up on the site, they removed it at some point.

 

Yeah it's only worth it to upgrade from a gaming standpoint every 2 or more generations, so about 4 years same gaming laptop, not always possible for many though. Thin and light doesn't help with durability either.

 

Its going to be like the good old days sarcasm...little bump new moniker..i just hope its more than 9800gtx to 260m

 

Yeah, payback time for buying and support Jokebooks in all flavours and thinnes. Those who preferred real performance-books suffer even more now because they never asked for this direction. I expect the Jokebook jockey still will be happy. Until they see the next downwards from Nvidia and the notebook manufacurers. Yeah, they got exactly what they asked for. And they will with the time forward feel the same as us who prefered real high perfomance gamingbooks. You just can't have it all. Thin as Applebook, silent as a smarthphone and +-200W graphics.

 

Personally im waiting for the clevo x170 with the rtx3080 hopefully they will give us some Ryzen cpus too
i think it will be a huge difference from what i have right now
Not that i have any problems with my 1080 which is flashed at 250w

 

AMD can't offer the better Ryzen chips. Huge shortage. And they struggle also to offer 5000 series Mobile processors. Even problem deliver chips for Xbox and graphics cards. Why should they change if the supply of parts will be even worse? And offer both Intel and AMD motherboard doesn't lower the costs.


XMG provides details on the availability of AMD Ryzen 5000 and GeForce RTX 3000 gaming notebooks

 

This was supposed to be made with a ge66 which in theory has a 120W 3080...that's actually pretty good for a 120W 3080.

 

On that video they say that this is a Basic guideline and that there may be exception configuration ( depends on country you live in)!!! OMG....even manufacturer don't know what to do with this TGP at your discretion (TGP à la carte from manufacturer). They suggest to inquire from the manufacturer before purchassing. Easier said then done. Now on my second day and third attempts with dell/alienware to find out what is there TGP. NOBODY KNOWS.


1H31 minutes.

Geremoy «this guy» on youtube (same with good score on TIMESPY you posted) with GE66 is claiming 130W +20W (150W) in GPU-Z and Nvidia Control panel.

 

Countries with good consumer laws have a good solution : buy the laptop , check the TDP, if you dont like it ,return it for a full refund. In my country if you purchase online you have 14 days to return for a full refund .

 

Are you suggesting that to fiind out the TGP (thermal graphic power) of a certain card from a manufacturer that the solution is to:
1-Purchase it.
2-Wait a month to receive it.
3-Test it
4-Then return it.
just to have an answer?
Wouldn't it be much simplier if the manufacturer would adverstise their real TGP and stop making exceptions at their desire....don't you think?

 

In yeah, I forgot that in some countries only preorder is available

 

Yeah a lot of times there's a "rebate" with MSI and other manufacturers and from the details of the rebate you cannot return for refund, lots of tricks these shady manuf's play. I wouldn't pay $xxx+ just to see what version of a gpu I'm getting. Of course different countries have different rules but it sounds like a real pain if you have a problem.

 

Read the comment section. An awful article from Notebookcheck.net.

Actually, abandoning Max-Q makes a lot of sense. Here are our top 3 reasons why Nvidia is finally getting rid of it

Nvidia brought fire to the notebook community, LOOL



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Port Royal is an RT benchmark. As expected... Disgusting results from Mobile Ampere

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The New horror game will need patches, but expect that game will be an huge challenge for the new Castrated Ampere mobile graphics cards 80W 3080 Mobile will most likely give a lot fun forwards.... Even for the less castrated cards.

The Medium: New horror game runs on an Xbox Series X at 900p / 30, on a GeForce RTX 3080 at 1080p / 60

 

This is my favourite:

2. Mobile GeForce Names Will Be Much Simpler For Laymen Shoppers

Hmm... a little reminder is in order:

 

Today's Word/Meme "Pathetic"!

GeForce RTX 3000 without TGP information: MSI defends its policy and at the same time reveals details about many notebooks

"Laptop manufacturers such as MSI want to hide this important information from their customers, and the latest justification for this approach is not particularly convincing"

"After the company's employees were obviously confused by the differences between Max-Q and Max-P GPUs, they explained that MSI offers so many different notebook variants, which often differ from one another even depending on the region, that it is simply impossible would be to include the TGP on every model"



Maybe stop spew out more and more crippled thin and slime Joke Books and instead innovate on real performance and give us the real numbers. Can't get that in Apple sized gamingbooks.

And the fun part as last. The lesser than stellar performance from Ampere mobile will soon be more expensive... The only consolation must be that Nvidia's desktop cards with the normal performance also will see increased prices.

VRAM prices rise to hike the cost of the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 30 and AMD Radeon RX 6000 series; laptops will also be affected

 

In Canada (some country) we have a 30 day return policy for a full refund.
We can order, like in your country, anything we want if we are willing to pay.

Now you are missing the point. The point was that the graphic with the TGP you provided served nothing if the company like MSI doesn't respect it. That's what the MSI guy from Germany was saying at 1h30 minutes in the video.

 

This.

The average consumer is not going to bother to check the TGP that why companies are getting away with it. At least with MAX-Q you know if you're buying a lower watt GPU but with RTX 30 series it almost like trying to win the lottery.

 

Truthfully I think intel's naming scheme for their CPUs is actually sane compared to this mess. Be nice if it was like RTX 38150, 38120, 38080, 37115, 37080, 36080. At least if they did that people could just go by the "bigger number good" theory. Just stick the (non +15W) max TGP right in the name. Given we know that cooling system quality matters as well, but you can't have it all, that's what trusted reviews are for past that. Will never happen though, it looks bad trying to do that, at least Intel kind of takes that crappy product name hit and kind of does it. Hopefully the info will just be in product pages for the users that want to know it to avoid confusion. I think the main issue is a lot of layman just won't know to look for it. There's already so much word salad garbage on those product page marketing that they could stick the TGP in there in the detailed specs section and it would blend right in. Right next to COOLER BOOST IV and NAHIMIC GARBAGE MAX.

 

i41 - 123456780G is different from 12345690G

selling it for $50000000 cause its i41

 

Yeah, basically they need to state TGP AND any boost if available, since apparently the boost is an optional "Max-Q" feature lol. Head over to xmg.gg (German keyboards only, arrgh) to see how it should be done, e. g. "3080 135W+15W" .

 

"...it is simply impossible would be to include the TGP on every model"

Really, like since when did gaming laptops start advertising specifications?

New Rule: If they don't tell you about GPU power, walk away.

...and I'm also suspect of companies having the ability to possibly change power specs after purchase in an update.

 

LIke alienware did with the M51?

 

Or Dell's XPS models. Same company and same fixes The brand is "Dell Alienware" as you know.

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Btw. It looks like Dell Alienware have implemented a new feature to help GPU boost clocks. Cripple the Cpu to provide better cooling headroom for the Gpu.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/official-alienware-m15-r4-m17-r4-owners-lounge.835058/page-8#post-11074499



I'm still not sure yet if they also have implemented "Nvidia Dynamic boost". Someone that can confirm this?