How will Ampere scale on laptops?

Hmm, I'm not sure about design decisions taken by certain OEMs.

 

Or put it the other way. Msi just adjusted the weigt correct. They are now about equal They only missed with the two ram slots. Maybe this can be fixed next year. Soldered ram here we come.



Nvidia only adapt to the trend forwards.... Not so sure we should put all the blame on Nvidia for the Ampere mobile mess. They just adapt to the future. They know what to come from the notebook OEMs.

 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/GeFor...o-start-calling-them-out-for-it.517688.0.html

LOL with NBC's seemingly incessant articles focusing on intel friendly single thread scores while ignoring multi thread scores idk if I'll hold my breath but they did at least call out the 2060 nonsense and have the most in depth reviews of laptops.

 

I might just wait to see how those tongfangs shake out. Apparently you can boost the base TDP. and it has Ryzen.

 

With TGP withheld from specifications, one cannot be certain of the TGP actually on offer in a given laptop.

 

It's called the GE76 for a reason. It isn't and was never meant to replace the GT76.

You don't compare apples to oranges.

 

Downgraded ventilation in the bottom lid vs last years flagship. Nice improvement.




As well no touchpad buttons.



Looks like the Downgrade list only will increase. I need to update my previous post.

 

One thing I like about the tongfang variants is that a lot of the tuning software afa fan speed/power modes/rgb etc you can use across brands like eluktronics etc The default fan speed control software that came with my "gateway" tongfang had it at jet engine levels all the time, got an equivalent chassis eluktronics version and it's fine now.

 

(60w+20w boost)"80w" 3060 "laptop" vs 80w 2060, this and another link from NBC article.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Initi...-s-GeForce-RTX-3060-laptop-GPUs.517569.0.html

Edit: you can tell the video poster is obfuscating in the comments, one time he says 80w then another he says 115w 2060 but the clocks indicate 80w 2060. Just remember it's all about getting advertiser dollars for a lot of reviewers. As the NBC article says it's a 3060 boosted from 60 to 80? So where's the comparison with 90w/115w 2060 then?

"Benchmark Lab refers to the GF65 Thin as having an 80 W TGP version of the RTX 3060. However, MSI claims otherwise. On the contrary, MSI reported that the GF65 Thin has the 60 W version of the RTX 3060, as we reported yesterday. Nonetheless, Benchmark Lab is correct because the 60 W model can utilise Dynamic Boost 2.0 technology to reach a TGP of 80 W. The GF65 Thin does not have an 80 W edition of the RTX 3060 by default, though."(NOT MENTIONED BY YT REVIEWER BTW-hertzian)

Good luck to anyone not heavily into comparisons/specs and forums like this finding out what you're buying and getting!

 

Yea, it's looking like a super strong candidate to me. It's got all of those Asus features that I like without the frills and Higher TDP's.

I just want to wait to see what if any work is needed.

 

HUH??
EDIT: SORRY IT WAS NEWEGG!!!
https://www.newegg.com/core-black-m...ue-092-gaming-entertainment/p/N82E16834155717

 

Great. More confusion.

 

They took Max Q from a tier and made it an umbrella tech attaching it to all GPU's up and down the range.

Probably because customers got wise to

MaxQ = less performance.

 

Ok but my point was didn't nvidia stop using max-q at all? What is this terminology doing there? Is it BB or MSI spreading this confusion?

 

Damn nice. Listing TGP instead doesn’t tell the people about the peak performance, LOOL

Low TGP doesn’t sell well! Wrap it in and hide it (the TGP) will be the best way to boost sales.

From 3Dmark search. Expect a mess! Even on the leaderboard.

 

EXACTLY on the 3dmark scores confusion, not to mention all the other benchmarks that just give one score for possibly dozens of configs with Ampere. Even with the 20 refresh versions that could mean anywhere from 80w to 115w versions all in one score! What about 60w 3060 BUT with 20w boost vs full 80w with 20w boost! Imma go lie down now...

 

It's mostly companies running around with no idea what's going on.

They rebranded it resulting in this sloppy mess we have now.

 

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!



Some scores are at or below my 115w limited to 90-95w 2060mrf 16355 and some are 25% above it in the graphics score!!!!

 

but at the end of the day its just as fast as a 2080ti.....sigh

 

Might be best to hang back and see what AMD has to offer. They seem to sit slightly higher than their Nvidia counterparts at the equivalent tier and dont struggle against TDP and power constraints.

 

Found the reason why Asus is only putting 115w into theit scar 17


It's just a scar 15 put into a 17 inch chassis with no effort put into using the larger space for better cooling.

What the heck is going on with laptop manufacturers this generation?

 

This generation? The old tricks have been here a long time.

Dell did similar a few years ago. I expect they do the same today as well. They re-used same MB for m17 and the smaller m15 They just glued a piece of fake heatsink so it appears larger. Would that be a better option?


http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/funny-thing-i-found-on-the-15r3-2016-heatsink.797784/

 

wow just wow.....unbelievable

 

Bruh......just Bruh.

I hope the TongFangs arn't like that. or if its the same board they did up their own Cooling solution.

 

There's a bunch of space there that's not even utilized!

There's space for better cooling and a bigger battery. Just sticking a 15 inch laptop's internals into a 17 inch laptop chassis defeats the purpose of having the laptop be bigger. They should take advantage of that extra space.

 

The battery is already 90wh. Make a second slightly bigger 99wh battery for the 17,3 inch model will add increased costs + (validation costs and double up in stock). Why you think they reuse the cooling? Double up of everything will increase the overall costs and reduce profits. Will you as customers benefit from this? Nope!

 

So we already have custom vbios on desktop ampere at least for 3090s. I havent seen any tests on custom vbios for 3080 but I am sure its the same drill.

Anyone got a mobile ampere vbios dump so I can take a poke at it with the desktop vbios tool I got?

 

Yeah, AMD CPUs look good but no TB3 in mobile models yet.

 

I'm compiling a list of new rtx 3000 tongfang models and reviews here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/tongfang-models-2021.835122/

If you have info on models or links to reviews, please add them in that thread.

 

Poking around and editing stuff is good and all but if it can't be flashed after it is edited it won't be of any help either. That's what happened with RTX 2000 gpus, modified vbioses just won't flash, even with spi programmers.

 

Yup! I have already been in there and tagged it to keep an eye on. particularly the 17" model.

 

found a nearly perfect laptop..hopefully cooling is good

https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX00115375

 

I have heard a mix about them, the usual fare with hinges falling appart. Let us know how it goes.

Looks like it might be "MaxQ" with those 8gb of ram.

 

Better price:
Gigabyte AORUS 15G 15.6" FHD 240Hz Gaming, i7-10870H, 32GB,1TB SSD,RTX3080,W10H AORUS 15G YC-8US2450SH

 

LG did this up and down the entire Gram line. There's so much empty space in the Gram 17. They could have easily used the 28W config instead of 15W. It's a cost saving measure being able to use the same design in multiple models. Additional designs cost money and manufacturing. They are playing the scale and simplification game.

 

Haven't had any problems with my Aorus. Cooling is decent for it's size but loud; you will annoy other people type loud. For that reason might not be a good choice for gaming next to the significant other who is watching TV for example. Course it coud be different now, mine is a couple years old. The new ones were actually listed as a Meh Q laptop when they first posted up the new models but they later removed the description.

 

On their budget line like the TUF, I'd be all for lowering prices. But when they are charging flagship prices for their flagship products, this kind of hanky panky business is inexcusable.

 

its in cad not usd and all some weird people do is complain about hinges as if they open and close it 5000000000000 times in its life....i dont care about weirdos reports or linus tech tips its not bullet or kick proof.

also i have a friend that fixes laptops for a living and deals with all brands and basically says 99 percent of the build quality complaints are bogus.....tell me how your research goes as in an unnamed forum 99.999999999999999 percent of laptops are garbage.

well weirdos is a bit of a hyperbole but you would be suprised how much people complain and how much of it is mental illness

 

Their biggest sin is the refusal to use any Ryzen processors. Comet Lake is so laughably bad in comparison. Slower and hotter because they're using an antique architecture. Skylake was good 5 years ago.

5900HS (35W) laptops are going to be destroying Intel LGA laptops (125W+) at this rate.

 

They may have a GE76 with Ryzen 5000 in the works ("MSI Delta"), but it will likely only have AMD RDNA2 mobile GPU's.

 

Threre is no doubt amd is killing it....complete dominance

 

You scope the new Eluctro's JRE?

 

The tool I have does let you reinject back the UID which should get rid of the SPI flasher error some people had. Not sure if this works this gen.

 

Yeah need to find a RTX 3000 laptop owner first then, no point modding yet if theres nobody to test it. I'll ask around and let you know if there are any willing subjects.

 

Yea I havent even tested it on my own 3090 yet and I am not sure if I will.

 

Does it need any additional tools for flashing or can it be flashed with software?

 

Pretty sure its a CH341a according to the author's notes on EVGA forum. I couldnt find the source files for his work, unfortunately.

Nvflash software bypass is not possible after maxwell.

 

Ah I see, that's what I feared. That means only the most dedicated will be willing to do this.

 

Yeah it's a selection bias, only people that have a problem or are unreasonably hard on their laptops go online and shout about it. Still I look at some of these used laptops on ebay and wonder how anyone could even do the type of damage I've seen. On magnesium cased m6700's I see a lot of bending that just doesn't seem possible unless they're deliberately doing it.

And if you're playing A LOT of high fps competitive games how hard is it to get an external keyboard to save the laptop keyboard, sheesh! Dumb people.

 

its not that it doesn't happen its that its just uncommon! very uncommon and people act like it happens all the time with almost every unit enough so much that they will avoid brands or particular laptops.

my gs63 fans went and both at that and when I took it into my friend he said they have never seen a fan fail...but it failed and quick search on you tube others are also experiencing this....but if it was as bad as the illusion MSI would do a recall.