How will Ampere scale on laptops?

Not sure what you mean, I've never played RDR2 so I dont have a frame of reference. Lol

 

Even though nvidia is making manufacturers list power and clocks, I think the mobile 3000 series has been fubar'd in the design phase because many of the designs were designed around being able to obfuscate the numbers. At this point, anyone that can skip the 3000 series probably should, since the designs are fundamentally flawed. That these issues may be fixed with 4000 series laptops makes them more appealing since the jump will be bigger because 3000 series performance has been restricted for reasons the 4000 series hopefully won't have.

 

If you're referring to the mindless rampaging well that's been a possibility the player could do if they liked in many many games for a long long time, this is outside the story(which does force you to be a bad guy in story missions but insanely penalizes you for being one outside the story, morals lessons from rockstar please).

In terms of benchmarking they would have done better going to San Denis as that's the most busy/taxing part of the game, in the open country, and to a lesser degree small towns, most cards do just fine.

 

One of the selling points of the Area 51M is "CPU/GPU upgradability". Are they providing RTX 3000 upgrades? It would be good on them if they are going to, I'd stand up from my desk and clap for 10 seconds to give credit where due. If not it seems like yet another MXM laptop that you would think could be easily upgraded with just a card switch, and like usual that's not the case. I recall upgrading the Tornado F5 I had was BIOS mods at minimum I think if not some PCB mod to get an 8700K working in it (why bother with LGA except for current gen TDP in that case) and forget it upgrading to 20 series (why bother with MXM?).

For the record I feel like I'm in the same boat as the people looking for true DTR level boat anchor laptops. I just want something lightweight with a godly display like my Gram 17 except a "real" CPU and thunderbolt. It doesn't exist. XPS 17 is the closest but their models without dGPU just have an 4-core higher TDP i5. The unicorn for me doesn't exist either. The best I can do is sacrifice 2.5lb and get an XPS 17 with a dGPU I don't care for or slip down to 11th Gen Gram 17 with a lower TDP but more efficient thunderbolt implementation. There's nothing but sacrifices everywhere.

 

Chinese GPU miners are now bulk buying GeForce RTX 30 laptops to mine Ethereum

A nice music video in there as well. Enjoy!
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/nvidia-thread.806608/page-260#post-11076445

 

I just came here to link the videocardz link for this. Not surprised I had heard an inkling of this rumor not long ago...
https://videocardz.com/newz/chinese...uying-geforce-rtx-30-laptops-to-mine-ethereum

 

If they would divert their attention to turdbooks and leave desktop GPUs alone, that would be OK with me. I wouldn't be happy about it, but I would consider it to be the lesser of two evils. What would be absolutely hilarious is for crypto currency to suddenly lose value and totally bankrupt miners worldwide. Would serve them right for thinking it's OK to get money for nothing.

 

There was a youtuber I half listen to calling for gamers to start running hashes on their rig when not playing to blow up the difficulty on them. Lol

 

I'd totally go for that; as I said the 13" Asus is putting out seems to be a miss to me. I know quite a lot of executive types and they're all in on Surface, 2 in 1s, etc. This is primarily though because the size and format is travel friendly and they're plenty powerful for general office use. I don't know too many PC gamers among that group but those I do know all carry something more. Meanwhile the same thing done in say a 17" 2k screen with decent refresh such as you're seeing come out on a lot of the devices this year would be quite a lot more gamer friendly. You give it power stepping on the CPU with the ability to go full fat since the majority of the cooling can be expended there, 99 on the batt, then add an eGPUs that fit your budget and/or needs. That hits a lot of marks; you could get relatively long battery life on it when just watching video or getting a little work done. Back in the room at night you can plug in and indulge a no BS gaming session. And please, no 10 year old boys whiz bang light shows, spend that money where it counts, better cooling, improved keyboards, etc.

Also agree about the lack of something that hits the mark. I need to get my laptop with supply in at about 8 lbs if I'm going to guarantee being able to carry it world wide. This would put you in at 6ish lbs on the laptop which you would think gives me some options but this isn't really the case; I've got options but all of them have deal breakers from my own viewpoint. I think HD is over outside of competitive gaming, legit 4k on the other hand isn't here yet, 2k is the sweet spot all around for someone like me. The way I see it anything that doesn't offer it is no go. The whole point of a gaming laptop to me is to have portable gaming and I'm aware I have to make,and willing to make, compromises; but going half ass isn't acceptable. For example; I don't want a power gimped GPU, I don't want a machine that throttles in 15 minutes, etc. It's a very different market from when I bought what I'm running now, I had multiple options before, now I see several devices that might have been good if only that one thing was changed.

I suppose there are worse things that not having something available to throw money at but it all seems unnecessary. I believe they could have made something I want and that it would have sold in numbers. The Asus device in particular; it seems to me that device at 13" is far more niche than offering the same thing at 15 and 17. If they had made it a series with multiple eGPU options that would have been even better. You can sell people reaching out higher than their budget a laptop and 6 months later nick them for an eGPU. That same person a year from not might not be willing to buy a whole new laptop but a new eGPU, I think yes, some would. Now you've got a sale you were never going to otherwise get. Again, I keep coming back to the idea that I must not understand the market or ROI when it comes to these product lines.

 

Wow. Finally some good news for laptop users

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what I dont get is why dont people just buy an ultrabook then a dtr best of both worlds....thin and light gaming laptop which I own dont make sense my laptop is under 0.7in but runs like a furnace

 

Crypto mining with ampere reaches a new level.










Source: Twitter

 

Strictly speaking, we can just see a few dozen laptops. Unclear they are Ampere? What's "Hasee"?

 

A Tongfang rebrand. Similar to XMG, Eluktronics and so on.

 

COST.

 

a cheaper ultrabook and a dtr is often cheaper than A thin and light 2080 3080 laptop
ultrabook 700usd dtr 2000usd.....thin gaming laptops often exceed 3000

 

@etern4l The story comes from the German site HardwareLuxx. There you can find more information. Link (via Google translator)

 

This is what I hate the most


Tech dumb people calling the weakest 3070 Max-q "overkill"

 

He needs to be impeached for inciting the children to violence, LOL.

 

The one at the top has WiFi 6 stickers, it's probably Ampere but not a certainty.

I have to admit the fan noise being low is tempting, but I think that keyboard would get annoying for others in earshot.

 

Not sure what profile he's running but if it's stock the cpu will be limited to 45w and the gpu 80w with slower fan speeds at the cost of high temps.

Also the dipz to 90hz doesn't speak well for its performance. I've played the whole game and the lowest I've gotten is 110-120fps

 

Doom runs on almost anything. Both 2016 and eternal. It's even on the switch.

Saying 100fps on DOOM is like saying you walked into the ocean and got wet. It's pretty easy.

 

My old m6700 was a DTR and new it was thousands of dollars, over 3k easy. According to notebookcheck's review I think a maxed out one like mine, without a 980m, was 10k$ when new. A 3080 "DTR" gaming laptop would be about 3000 or more since the thin/light ones are that, an ultrabook NON gaming machine would be around 700. So I'd say that DTR and thin/light ultrabook setup would be about $4000. Add on a 4k screen on whichever laptop you want and the price goes up even more. A 4k desktop wouldn't cost that much unless you're buying a brand name pre-made. I'd just go with a mid range 1080p gaming laptop for 1000 and a 4k desktop 1500=2500 to 3000.

For me a full DTR laptop, which they don't really make anymore, has a replaceable/upgradable CPU/GPU, a ton of IO ports, has a docking station available etc I really don't know who is making stuff like that anymore.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/4k-gaming-pc-under-1000/

 

im not saying apples to apples....compr .on ultrabook and dtr as you are getting two laptops.

because obviously two laptops vs 1 laptop will not cost the same....im saying in general...

a decked out 3080 gs 66 is upwards 5000....a 3080 dtr is around 2000 like the aurorus I posted....2500 cad for a 3080 so 1800usd and a ultrabook can be had for 1000 but a gs66 3080 im guessing is around 3000-5000
MSI GS66 10UH-015CA Stealth Gaming Laptop Intel Core i7-10870H 2.20 GHz 15.6" Windows 10 Pro 64-bit - Newegg.ca

3700

Gigabyte AORUS 15G YC-8US2450 w/ Core™ i7 -10870H, 32GB, 1TB, 15.6in FHD 240Hz, GeForce RTX 3080 , Wifi 6 + BT 5.0, Win10 Home - Laptops / Notebooks - Memory Express Inc.

2500

both have similar specs but 1200 dollar difference


but then again my reasoning may be wrong.....I was under the impression for thin and light gaming laptops your paying a premium...also i meant thicker laptop not a actual dtr

 

Is it just me or has the latest driver update(461.40) disabled the 'set up g-sync' nvcp option for 10 series notebook cards ? I still got g-sync working but no toggle !

 

Hm. Later today I'll post feedback but I'm sure g-sync is working for me. Havent opened the Nvidia control panel to see the differences

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Dx11 and earlier games having weird frame time graphs now.



sfc /scannow returning no integrity violations.
DDU ineffective.
Driver related?
Really hate formatting.

 

Might be a change in the API used to get the data and its just a matter of Afterburner/RTSS needing an update..

 

The Aorus is thin like the GS66, no idea why you are calling it a DTR, when both have only 2 m.2 slots and 2 RAM slots...
Its just a matter of pricing, MSI thinks their laptop is worth 3k, so they ask 3k for it.

A DTR would be something with a socketed CPU and an MXM GPU, you wont get one of those for 2k unless you are buying used or some random Clevo barebones with 3-4 years from eBay..

 

There is only one true DTR this gen, the Clevo X170KM-G.

 

X170SM-G* FTFY

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Are Ampere MXM cards available for the X170, so that users can just upgrade graphics?

 

KM-G is the refresh with Rocket Lake and Ampere.

Yes, but availability remains to be seen...

 

Agreed, I'm waiting for someone to truly test the X170KM-G with the 3000 series mobile cards to get an idea of how top end performance can look like without this thin and light, inadequate PSU, inadequate cooling, shared power balancing and Dynamic "Boost" , jet engines engaged model currently in play and gaining traction every generation.

The only real "upgrade" to my P870TM1-G on the market is the X170KM-G and if 3000 series cards work in the PXXXTM/DM2/3 line, the upgrade viability diminishes greatly as installing an ampere card negates much of what it can bring.

XoticPC is saying mid march for the refresh and taking pre-orders now. Hopefully ZtecPC and others are on the same time table (or sooner).

 

Well if you want/need that mobile only config the extra cost may not be relevant. I wish they did do a proper DTR now for the same as a regular desktop with similar performance. Those lines afaik have died out and went bga.

 

-Gateway Creators Series, i5-10300H, RTX 2060 115w but vbios limited 90w, 8GB, 120hz Testing it now have until FEB 23 to take it back.

nice

i would upgrade to16gb of ram though

 

LOL thx, well yeah eventually. Mid range, low cost 699 holiday deal, trying not to spend more on it than I have to to keep costs in check. 2020 was actually awesome for me as an epic road trip but it depleted my savings a fair bit lol. I didn't plan on my m6700 completely going out just terrible bad luck all over there.

 

I was curious about this NBC article, did anyone ever see the TGP max wattage in the NCP details? I don't think I've ever seen that and don't in 460.79, I do use driver slimmer though.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDI...om-its-official-release-drivers.518537.0.html

 

Nvidia screwed up as usual...

NVIDIA GeForce Hotfix 461.51

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...scale-on-laptops.834039/page-88#post-11076216

 

Yeah but my question was about just having that in previous driver packages? I have never seen that in the details before and I'm on an older driver that should show that according to the article, but I don't see it. Is that a result of using driver slimmer to just install the basics needed? Do YOU see that metric in your NCP driver details?

Edit: oh I see from the article ngreedia just did that for 30 series initial drivers, looks like it never did that for 20 and before from my interpretation, unless someone noticed it on a 20 series pre-hotfix 461 driver. That would be helpful to everyone regardless of dgpu generation IMO.

 

Or if you get the base config, then you can get it for under $2k. Even the base config is better than an upper end regular gaming laptop, that is, a BGA laptop with a xx70 class GPU and an i7 CPU, which would be had for a simlar price.

Another great thing about these machines is that you can buy a barebones and stick used parts in it, so you get a real powerful system for a much cheaper price than you'd normally have to pay for it. You can't do that with a BGA laptop.

 

its not that its not a DTR its 1 inch thick the gs is 0.7in thick....I may be flawed in my reasoning but their seems to be a corelation in thickness power and price. if you can find something 0.8in thick with a 3080 for cheaper great and not suprising but for that exra thinness i say it costs more..heck look at the xps 15/17 if it was 1in thick do you really think they would be charging 3000-4000 for a fully decked config.

my entire point..

thin=more money

also on the satirical side of things.....I own a thin and light gaming laptop and a ultrabook lol should have went with a clevo DTR...

GS63VR-8RE
Lenovo Ideapad Pro Flex(yoga c920)

 

My dtr replacement would have tons of I/O ports, a docking station available, relatively well designed for easy replacement of cpu/gpu/keyboard/battery/screen, almost everything really. Todays designs just don't have that, in these thin/lights the keyboard is very hard to replace if at all. They COULD have went with a top loading replaceable keyboard but I guess cost and design considerations trumped that. They're just focused on people burning out or just using laptops as a 2-3 year cycle item and design accordingly. I still keep my old S5 phone because the battery can be replaced/swapped on the fly, has a headphone jack etc and it does the basic phone/photo/browsing functions I want. Now you can see almost all that designed out of phones, don' drop the phone(in the shower either lol)

 

Not to be helpul. They was forced to do so. They know what would come from the reviewers, youTubers and the whole press. If they could, they would keep everything hidden.

nvidia will make a big profit anyway. Even more now as they could come away with the cheaper silicon on the 3080 mobile cards.

Btw. Castrated Ampere Mobile cards is bad thing but get castrated desktop cards is not so much better. At least you'll get the correct die if you go for the Dell branded 3080/90 desktop cards



Which GPU branding does the Aurora R10 use?

 

Got in touch with the guy with the zephyrus duo and he got the score by flashing the GE76 vbios onto his laptop.

So that solves the question of whether he was shunt modded and also confirms that rtx 3000 cross flashing still works

 

One question remains though. Is the 16G 3080 VBIOS cross compatible with the 8G version? The 8G version can be had for cheaper than the 16G version and cross flashing, if it works, would be amazing.

If someone can confirm that this works, I’ll just dump the VBIOS from the m17r4 and send it back lol. No point paying a premium if I can get the same performance out of my local manufacturer laptop with a 8G 3080.

 

It most likely won't, hwid will be different.

 

And if it flashes, you’ll end up with a brick.

 

Those R10's are so crippled it's unreal. Probably the worst desktops i've seen.

 

Great find!
That also made his GPU average temps increase a lot. From 64C (his earlier bench when he scored 12k in graphics) to 77C.(very, very hot)
For comparaison the GE76 (same score) has a 55C average temps during this timespy bench
I would think this flash will bring a lot of thermal throttling in real life gaming situation and maybe damage his GPU.