How will Ampere scale on laptops?

I'd say its doing really well. It is a thin and light after all. 77 is still an acceptable temp for a laptop gpu.

 

77C in a short load with loading screens like Time Spy is really bad. It will overheat in sustained loads like gaming.

 

77C is not the max GPU temp. It's the average which means it has gone above 77C and it's only on Timespy wich is not very demanding for GPU in terms of temps. Also It's 22C more compare to GE76.
77C max while gaming is acceptable.
77C average on a benchmark like timespy is way too high.

 

Yup exactly. The loading screen pauses also bring the average GPU temp down since there is no load during them. For example, my average GPU temp in my OCed TS bench run is just 60C, but in sustained TS stress test (20 minutes), it maxes out much higher at 78C.

 

Example my RTX 2080S 95W will usually bench around 73C but sustained gaming load will see it closer to 78C. I don’t like either of these temperatures but I guess that is expected in a thin and light chassis. Days of beefy dedicated heatsinks ala M18x are long gone.

 

Seen the review? Asus won't let the total power cosumption live its own life and go up to the 280W PSU's specs. If its a bug? What can you expect <if> they fix it? A power cap equal as Dell introduced with AW 18 and Sli? A lot things OEM engineers can do with its firmware. Mostly to cripple performance or introduce power/temp caps if needed.

"CPU clock rates would throttle rapidly between 400 MHz and 4.4 GHz to be quite unusual as shown by the screenshot below. A steadier clock rate behavior would have been preferable."

We're able to record a maximum draw of 196.7 W from the large (~17.8 x 8.4 x 3.5 cm) 280 W AC adapter when running Prime95 and FurMark simultaneously. This overhead is unusually large which makes us wonder if the steep CPU clock rate fluctuates mentioned in our Stress Test section above could be a bug. The AC adapter is definitely capable of outputting more power to the laptop and yet the laptop never seems to demand it.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-R...Duo-15-SE-GX551QS-Laptop-Review.518181.0.html

 

It also depends on your temperature limit set by your manufacturer. For example Area51M when first lauch with RTX2080 the temps limit was set at 87C. Then with magical updates from Dell (bios) it was reduced to 79C and finally reduced in a software call alienware command center at 75C.
You can see the temperature limit of your GPU in GPU-Z.
Maybe, (maybe not), your temp limit is 79C too. But so many people think that their GPU temp is ok when in fact it is thermal throttling to stay under the temperature limit,
If my max reported GPU temps was at 86C in HWinfo, i would suspect thermalThrottling base the image i link below.

 

ok i have a gs63vr 8re and its a hot bugger....throttles at 91c I average 88c and thats that.....causes no damage and runs full speed...77c isnt bad but not good...with my last laptop i was getting a max of 66c

now under the throttle limit is all that matters these silicon chips really can handle the heat.....that is if your gaming on your lap it matters

 

You do you, but that's way too hot for my taste. Not to mention, at such high temps, your GPU boost clocks fall off a cliff due to the temperature compensation algorithm that's been baked into Nvidia silicon since Pascal.

 

With Nvidia’s boost algorithm you’ll loose performance as temp go up in 5C steps.

 

From what i remember the GTX10xx card (what you have) have a higher temp limit compare to the newer RTX card.
If it was my laptop, i would never run a Vbios that makes my GPU run this hot. I would purchase a better system with better cooling...like the GE66 for example.

Edit: i mean GE76

 

My 2080SMQ runs so hot, it doesn’t even appear in the voltage/frequency curve anymore lol. I’m glad I have a warranty for this machine because I don’t expect it to live much longer than a year

 

I wouldn't worry about it. Modern GPUs are designed to run at 70-80C range for hours a day for years, that's what the default fan curves and temp limits are set to. The bigger issue as mentioned previously is that you lose quite a bit of boost clocks and performance letting it get that high.

 

Could be, but Dell's engineers didn't dare take the chance on this for their burning book 1. Same also for their XPS line.


And I have seen all too much of the (thin) notebooks end its life before its 3-4 years birthday. Can be anything, but also a failed GPU's/or its surounding components

 

No 200W card for Clevo either. 150W + 15W Dynamic Throttle 2.0.

https://www.hidevolution.com/evoc-h...d-i5-10600k-i7-10700k-i9-10900k-rtx-3080.html



Probably leaving room for a 200W 3080M Super/Ti down the line.

No point in DTRs this gen when they get the same base wattage as much thinner/lighter BGA machines like the GE76 and M17 R4.

 

Let us have Clock block 3.0 (4.0) from Nvidia and you won't get any gains from the better cooling. Maybe in games (max boost clocks due the lower temps) but it won't matter in short benches as 3DM Port Royal, Time Spy and FS. All will be winners bro yrekabakery

 

Tottaly agree.
DTR are dead! Area51M will not see an R3 revision for sure now. Threre was still little hope for a 200w card but now it's completely gone.

 

Regarding the performance from the highest performing oc'd 3080 mobile cards. They can barely compete with 3070 desktop cards ranked 103.000 on Futuremark leaderboard.

I remember when I could be within the top 50 ranking with my 980 mobile vs 980 desktop cards. Awful times has come for gaming notebook jokckey's. What Nvidia did was as expected. The OEMs just follow their leaders. Because they will always deliver. They hope you'll upgrade to new gamingbooks every 2nd years. $3-5K every second year to get the latest and crippled shouldn't be a problem for most.

 

I think they're playing the Ti game; as in that will come out with the same hardware at 200 and a fatter pricetag. They trigger one grip of buyers today and another that were on the fences tomorrow.

 

Very sad and very dispointing.
At least if the new generation laptop we're cheap but no.... they are all expensive. They charge you premium and give you second quality/performance.

 

Why? Almost none laptops handle 200w graphics card (1 or 2). They will all be thinner and slimmer for each new gen. Rather that they will use better binned GA 102 die down the road and cripple it with same awful TGP. What you say won't happen!

Or they go to a better node and the same happen over again (same die as the second thier with low TGP).

A totally stripped down thin and slimy m17 R4 from Dell with minimum Warranty is +$3000. Nope they aren't cheap. A awful purchase if you want the higher TGP.

 

Looks like it's about time for us mobile performance enthusiasts to go with ultraportable battery powered gaming PCs instead of laptops.

It's a fun project I've been wanting to do for a while anyway. I always want to wait around and see if stuff gets better in the mobile space. I keep teling myself it'll get better next gen. I don't know about that anymore though.

On the bright side, the xx60 class cards have seemed to perform as well or near that of their desktop counterparts with Turing. I expect the same with Ampere. Usually the significant performance disparities are with the higher end SKUs.

 

I doubt it. The review unit with 3060 (130 W TGP incl.Dynamic Boost) should perform at it's peak. Many of the 3060 models will perform a lot worse than this.

https://www.notebookcheck.com/Performance-Test-Nvidia-GeForce-RTX-3060-Laptop-GPU.519180.0.html




https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_rtx_3060_ti_founder_edition_review,26.html

 

I'm starting to feel like I've missed the rtx2080 boat. At the time an upgrade from my 1080 didn't make sense, but with new games like Cyberpunk I'm missing DLSS. Upgrading to a 3080 would mean an improvement in absolute terms my case, but also a big cost with little improvement vs desktop performance standards, ie it won't be future proof for the coming 2-3 years anyway.

 

The 3070M at 125W+15W boost is right around the 200W 2080/2080S, so that's another option and probably the better one if the 150W 3080M MXM ends up costing 50%+ more as it usually does.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Schen...l-Dorado-tuning.517577.0.html#toc-performance

 

Remember, the +15W is just the best case scenario. A DTR should boost all the time?

 

The GE76/GP76 also only has 5W boost on top of its 150W base TGP.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Compr...U-along-with-corresponding-TGPs.517977.0.html

 

Wow. That is incredibly disappointing. If the same chassis has previously cooled a 200W card, why drop it back down to 150W? Mobile Ampere is a mess.

 

I have no idea, and am pretty disappointed as I had planned on dropping a 200W 3080M into my current P750.

On the other hand, this does make the 140W (with boost) 3070M a lot more enticing as it’s much cheaper than the 3080M (-$500) while not being that much slower.

 

Yeah, that 5w extra will make an huge difference in gaming. Why bother add it in? To make it more appealing as a sales argument? What a joke!

 

4000euro??yeah just no im happy with my 1060

 

Glad I got my 2080SMQ at a deep discount. Mobile Ampere is not looking like a win at all. They pulled an AMD and just made it eat more power just like AMD did with GCN (anybody remember the blast furnace that was the FuryX?)


I’m waiting for a real architectural revision

 

No one is pulling a desktop 2060 22K Firestrike GPU score with the 2060 mobile.

The wait for 5nm begins.

See you in 2022.

 

Now if they can do that, look at that thick and heavy monster. Just remove the useless screens, insert desktop stuff, appropriate cooling and bam!!
https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-E...en-screens-into-one-laptop-body.519395.0.html

 

This thing looks super badass. If they'd strip all the extra screens away and just leave the main one, and keep both battery packs, that would make for amazing performance on battery power you wouldn't be able to get out of any other laptop.

 

Hey look, that's my laptop. Without all the extra screens and stuff strapped on.

 

So is the X170KM-G going to be the only proper Ampere DTR (albeit with castrated 150+15W GPU)? MSI are gone and Dell don't seem to have said anything about a 51M R3. Did they all sell that poorly?

 

The X170KM-G seems like it will be the only true DTR for the Ampere generation. MSI and Dell turned full idiot and wussed out.

 

MSI seems to only be temporarily retiring the GT line. They specifically stated in the press release that the GE76 would be the flagship "for 2021".

Why release $3000-$4500 DTRs in the middle of a pandemic? Yeah the sales of the current models have probably cratered over the last year.

I expect the DTRs to be back at CES 2023, rebranded with AMD CPUs and 5nm GPUs.

 

I'm telling you: Tong, MSI, and Clevo are going to be offering the new mobile 3080 ti late summer. Exact same card, more wattage allowed. Above it was asked why; the answer is because the only thing corporate scumbags like better than money is more money. Eluctronics says there will be news about their 17 ultra later, MSI neither confirmed nor denied there will be no new titan. The only old school DTR announced is hitting with less graphical power than it can support; coincidence, I think not! Bwa ha ha ha.

And yes, I could be wrong. However: The concept of selling the exact same thing at different levels of cost is much beloved by our corporate overlords. They've laid the groundwork already to sell you essentially two cards at various power levels for increasing sums of money. There is absolutely no reason not to charge even more for the same thing a little down the road after the current crop of buyers has been harvested.

 

Fair theory imo. With the complete decoupling of mobile cards from desktop cards, a 3080 Ti "Laptop GPU" could in theory also be GA104 based, rather than GA102. More $$$ at almost no extra cost to them.

With Zen4 rumours at 29% higher IPC than Zen3, I don't think they'll have a choice. Putting Intel in gaming laptops will soon be suicide unless Intel turn it around very very quickly.

 

Alder lake is coming end of this year tho. Personally I think it'll finally be on par with ryzen 5000 before getting beaten by ryzen 6000 again.

 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDI...and-Max-Q-features-to-implement.515922.0.html

Buy 3070/3080 DTR, somehow unlock 200W (if thermal headroom, power etc. allows it), have fun.

 

That info is old. Here is the fresh info. The ampere mobile mess continue... Nvidia opened a can of worms with this gen mobile cards. Max-Q as I predicted was a scam a few years ago was just the beginning.


Exclusive | NVIDIA Ampere RTX 30 Laptop GPUs: TGP woes apart, OEMs may also decide boost clocks on their own

 

On the other hand

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-...r-old-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-pascal-gpus-to-aibs

 

Good or bad though? You don't all have to clock to the lowest common denominator.

 

If we can power mod the Ampere MXM GPUs from Clevo, then we could have the mobile RTX 3060 outperform its desktop counterpart.

 

3060>1060 no doubt I hear its a 65 percent gain...but what exactly do I need 49.5fps vs 30for again? and 2080 owners need that extra 6 fps exactly for.....im now a sceptic on the mental health of the masses

 

3060 is double 1060.

 

i get my info from real world tests on youtube...but yeah maybe the vid was fake