I`m upgrading, are you? (GTX 780M review inside)

I'm upgrading too, Not that I'm tired of Enduro, now that AMD drivers are more mature it's ok, I'm more interested in the 30% performance gain in games with non-optimised drivers ^^. With UE4 andFrostbite 3 games coming : Dragon age 3 (please be like origin NOT 2), BF4 of course and My favourite CnC generals 2 I think it's best for me to upgrade

 

I got a hold of an MSI 780m, will this work in my m17x r4 as a plug and play?

 

Hopefully yes, but looks like you get to be the first to try it.

 

My 780M arrived on Tuesday. I'm breaking it in now, after going through the hassle of installing drivers.

Some overclocked Heaven 4.0 results:


I'll need a modded vBIOS to go beyond the locked core clock..

 

these are stock clock my friend?

 

No, they are the max allowed by the stock vbios I believe.

 

Its nice to see that more people than me see the fun with this new 780M

Sold my "old" notebook and actually got back what I paid for it, so I`m not losing anything on this upgrade

 

Yeh, stock clock is 771MHz. You can go 135MHz above that; the rest is "GPU Boost".

 

Only taking a $200 hit on upgrading myself after selling my laptop and drives as well Just waiting for my P375SM to come in stock.

So nV is at it again with locking clocks... hopefully we'll get a modded vbios soon to see what these cards can really do.

 

@5482741 - What vRAM speed was that Unigine benchmark run at, or was it just GPU overclock?

And wow you guys must have gotten your laptops at rock bottom prices. I don't think I could get more than $1000 for my NP9150 with 680m, i7-3740QM, 16GB DDR3 with stock 500GB HDD.

 

A bit too late now that GTX 780M is out you know. Before you could have said the 680M was the most powerful graphic card to lure them in
But I could easily have gotten more than $1000 for your Clevo here where I live. Ebay is a difficult market to sell in so I tend to go other routes.

Congrats as well man. Good times indeed.

 

My 30nm sammies are a little bored at the moment.

I find it amusing they are low profile like the desktop version.

 

Still waiting for GT60 3K? Settled for it? It comes out in July so thats gonna be a looooong hard wait

 

Good things come to those who wait

I mean it would be the most epic single GPU system in the world, nothing else would even touch it.

I'll just have to live with my X9100 + HD7770M combo for now

 

vRAM was at 1500MHz; stock is 1250MHz.

I just kept my 16F3 and bought a 780M off of ebay to replace my 680M.

Doesn't seem like the drivers work too well with Windows 8 at the moment.

 

Absolutely one sick beast for sure. I really want that notebook just for the screen but I`m a bit afraid to go back to 15.6" since I love my 17.3".

You also get to use the NOS system from MSI. I figured out what it is. You press "G" while booting up the notebook. The system will then overclock the 4930XM from max 3.9GHz to 4.1GHz. NOS only works with MX CPUs.

 

here is what score my poor cpu and gpu got!!!room temp is 27 celsious!clocks of 7970m 1070 core 1560 memory!hope they make 780m work on our HM laptops

 

sweet heavens that 3k GT60 is one of a kind laptop very nice, and all these goodies ... I so wanna see benchmark comparison 4930XM vs 3940XM/3920XM benchmarks.... anyone???

 

Here we go, 680m @ 1000/2400

 

Good score

 

Lookie here.... initial impressions coming over the coming days followed by a full review and benchmarking... thank you LPC-Digital for the review sample!

 

AWESOME! Glad to see you got one to play with!! Look forward to hearing your impressions! Which machine is that, a Sager I assume? I'm jealous for sure ha

 

Clevo P157SM or Sager NP8250.

 

Awesome! Really looking forward to that! I'm still torn between a P157SM and a GT60-2OD for my upcoming purchase. Such a tough decision. I've been waiting on a real thorough review of the P157SM with benchmarks.

 

What's keeping you on the fence with any of those choises? Both are solid machines and most likely will be offered with the same specs, so what's the decisive point?

 

Cool HTWingNut. Would like to see you builld further on the 680M review you already have

 

I see what you did there.

It will be full review of 780m and the Clevo system. So far I am impressed with performance. It definitely "feels" faster than the 680m, despite benchmark differences not being overwhelmingly higher. I'll be sure to look at frametimes this time around because there's some "smoothness" of the experience despite frame rates being only marginally higher.

 

I choose this time to go with MSI-GT70 2 0D BAREBONE with 780m.
I think on MSI it's everything cool and in good price!!and you will not have any compatibility issues(upgrade options vga)
Your choice is your's....

 

The only problem I see, doesn't MSI prohibit opening the laptop or it voids warranty?

 

Nein.
No stupid stickers or anything on them

 

To start, I'm just not crazy about the chassis of the GT60-2OD or most of the MSI gaming series laptops. I like the look and feel of the Clevos better. Even the spicier rework Clevos still look more professional to me. Some people aren't so fond of the "flashier" Clevo PXXXSM models over the original and more professional style of the P150hm/em/sm, P170hm/em/sm, etc., but I think the P157SM actually looks sharp. I'm sort of meh about the audio meter lights on the 177 and 375 and I'm very glad the 157 doesn't have those. Either way, the point is that I still like the build quality of the Clevos over the MSI chassis. MSI just has a cheaper build quality look to me.

Some folks are grumbling about the high temps reported on the GPU in the MSI, and although that may be attributed to bad paste jobs, for now I am leery about a single fan/shared pipes solution for the both the CPU and a 780m. Heat, heat and more heat are still my biggest concerns. Just cautious if the MSI design will be up to the task over long periods of load, especially if the task or game is both cpu and gpu intensive. The reported DB noise levels at idle and load are outstanding though compared to the Clevos.

I like the report from Meaker that the Samsung FC03 on the MSI 780m card is rated at 1500mhz stock as opposed to 1250mhz for everyone else, which would come in handy if OCing at some point. 250mhz difference in rating isn't going to be a deal-breaker, but it certainly does make the MSI card more appealing. I'm not certain if the vRAM for the Clevo's 780m is 1250mhz stock. It would be nice if someone could confirm that. Where's HTWingNut?

The price points of GT60-2OD and P157SM with similar memory and drive types are very close. The MSI's super RAID 0 feature is nice with three msata compared to the Clevo's two, which gives it a small advantage there. That's a great price point on storage. But the P157SM still has two 2.5 drive bays. I actually need to keep an internal Blu-ray optical drive for work-related media. I do like the layout and distribution of the bays, ports and components within the P157SM chassis, but the MSI is also solid. The Clevo might be a bit more upgrade friendly.

Anyhow, yeah, I'm still on the fence between the two...

 

I can't confirm the chips themselves, but they're definitely 1250MHz and overclock nicely to 1500MHz without an issue. I haven't pushed it beyond that yet. Once I decide to repaste, I'll take a look and photo of the vRAM chips to confirm they are FC04.

 

Jeeeez, man. That was a fast response. Thanks!

 

Maybe you are right for the previews models of MSI,but with new models of MSI the cooling is pretty well as I seen...
Very low temps......for one fan.
And second, it takes any brand gpu(CLEVO-MSI-DELL) you wish...
better sound speakers.

 

There are some models with bad paste jobs from the MSI front. But the cooling itself is really good. Even my 680m with OC usually gamed around 70sC, which never kicked the fan to figh rpms to bother.

As for the design, I can understand. For me neither is really professional looking. For work we use the run of the mill thinkpads from lenovo, which is basically the same design since forever.

But aesthetics aside, I simply love the look of the new MSIs. Quit less flashy than my previous GX660R but with a rather elegant touch. It's funny because Clevos seem to have cheaper looking quality to me haha but it really is model dependent, because they have some pretty nifty looking models! but to each their own. In the end I don't buy due to looks, I buy for performance and features/price. The sound quality, temps and durability of the MSIs are good, at least from some years onwards. I used my GX660R on field duty for 1.5 years. It got beat, scratched, lots of dusts etc and not a single time did it fail me.

That's good to know, so hopefully most 780ms will be able to squeeze the additional 250mhz! We shall await confirmation!

 

I can knock off at least 20c max temps from the msi cooling with the right tricks.

 

they have pictures of the clevo 780M and it looks like its the FC04 version aswell :

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/720728-p150sm-gtx-780m-unboxing-photos-build.html

Samsung Semiconductor Product Selection Tool

 

So it looks like the vRAM chips on the both the MSI and Sager 780m are Samsung FC04s, or specifically part number K4G20325FD-FC(04/03/28), at 1.5v/1.5v, 1250/1500/1750mhz; therefore, the frequency can be overclocked to 1750mhz for either card? I suppose the stock clocks are just different: 1250mhz on the Sager models and 1500mhz on the MSI models.

 

RAM chips on MSI's 780m are FC03 the same found in a Titan card. They run 1500MHz by default but downclocked to 1250MHz by MSI to keep them cool. That's why on previous benchmarks a GT70 could reach 1750MHz on video RAM without breaking a sweat. Clevo uses FC04 that run 1250MHz by default so 1500MHz would be the most stable OC.

 

What tricks? I'm curious

 

Thanks for the explanation!

 

Another issue one might have with the new clevo model is the lack of power related to the psu. The one tested on notebookcheck.net had throttling issues withthe CPU due to power demands. Because of this the 4900 could not take advantage of CPU boost as much as it was supposed to or something. The model they tested though, was a "prototype" so things might be different now?

 

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A quick stock vbios bench for comparison.
Boy the CPU is so weak haha lol

Cheers.

 

8700 gpu score wow

reborn is that your max OC?

what do you think about the 880m? will it double again?

 

Hey itsjustme84,

Nope not max OC but just a comparison bench with stock GPU vbios that has the 135Mhz core OC limit.

Not too sure about the 880M, however word is that we can expect a nice surprise!

Cheers.

 

Yeh, definitely seems like this has a lot of headroom:

Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3920XM Processor Extreme Edition, MS-16F3 score: P8255 3DMarks


I look forward to decent drivers and a modded vBIOS.

 

Do you have a link to this?

 

Why would 1500MHz be the most stable overclock for FC04?

 

I'm wondering this very same thing. Kind of looking for these fc03 benchmarks for comparison, because not everything needs a super high memory over clock to operate efficiently.

 

Doesn't vRAM overclocking have almost no impact on scores for most benchmarks and 1080p gaming? Correct me if I'm wrong.