I`m upgrading, are you? (GTX 780M review inside)

I believe since AMD needs to make a comeback in the market, they will release an equivalent card to compete with the 780M. I'm assuming we'll see it in Q2/Q3 of this year. One thing is for sure: they need to get their driver support in par with NVIDIA, and soon. Drivers have the potential to make substantial improvements in performance.

We'll see soon enough. I'm just as curious as anyone else...

Edit: This is interesting:

 

Glad I always been a proud Nvidia-user. The old Nvidia 9600M GT never disappointed me. Could run games almost on high details back in 2009 untill 2011.
Good old GPU. I'll get a new pc or a notebook at the end of this year and most likely a GTX780 or a notebook with GTX780M.
AMD is not doing very well too when it comes to CPU. A10 CPU is nothing. Buying an MSI notebook with A10 and 8970M is a wasted money and effort.
Like the user said above, Nvidia is expensive for a reason, they keep developing better drivers.
The GPU driver for my good old 9600M GT got the best driver 185.85.

Btw, does anyone know a really good powerfull notebook without having to worry about the heat?
I love notebooks, they are so handy and don't take much place. I'll wait for newer generation GTX780/M, I want to keep up with the time.

 

You were lucky it did not die from the BGA issue though

 

Sadly I don't think we'll see a true competitor to the 780M until 20nm late late this year (early next year). Nvidia will have Maxwell in the pipes then.

It's nice to see a graph that starts from 0 for once. I believe most of those are AMD associated titles though.

 

At who are you reffering?

 

What do you mean Prema with that??

 

I`m having real difficulty finding what GPU 8990M should be based on. 78xx series was used because of the power efficiency. 79xx series is a real power hog compared, so I don`t think that can be used on a MXM card inside a notebook.

New architecture or 20nm is the only candidates I can find on the top of my head right now. But I don`t see AMD and Nvidia putting those out until 2014.

 

I know Meaker. It was just an example. They'll be forced to lower the price below 500 bucks if the 780m will be as amazing as Clouds screenshots predict.

I've read somewhere that they might put out their new arch on 28nm at first just to compete with NV. I doubt that will happen though.

I highly doubt there will be an 8990m. They'd need to design a new chip for it which they are not going to do.

 

Unless they're already doing so and the release is planned later this year: Q3? Which would explain why the 8970M is getting all of the attention at the moment because it is going to be released first. Perhaps when the 8970M comes out, news will start to flow about the 8990M? AMD cannot afford to be left behind in this market. They must have something planned...

 

Yeah I heard that too, according to Sweclockers they say the new Volcanic island series (8000 series) will be replacing 7000 series. They will still be on 28nm but based on 7790 because it offer great power/performance. So who knows, maybe 8990M will be based on that since they are coming in Q4.

Since 780M is releasing in June, they will be pretty late to the party. Not looking good for AMD unless they have some mysterious chip I can`t think of, which they will announce soon.

 

They have nothing on the desktop side. Why would they put effort into the laptop market? It's just not gonna happen. The 1536 core gpu we were expecting should have been the 8970m. That would have been competitive with proper drivers. I was excited for that. I really wanted to buy one.

If the guys at nvidia had some brains they'd price the 780m at 600 bucks to put even more pressure on AMD. They'd sell hundreds of thousands at that price while completely beating out AMD in the process.

The next card we'll see from them will be based on their new arch and the 20nm process. It's comming sometime in Q1 next year followed by nvidia's answer in Q2 with a mobile release at computex.
You can expect it to be half baked just like the GCN arch was when it released with horrible drivers and barely ahead of current stuff just like the 7970 was at release.

I doubt they'll bring anything more to the table in the 8000 series. Wouldn't make any type of sense. They should concentrate on making the 9000 series actually worth our money.

That misterious chip would have been the rumored 1536 core chip clocked in at 900mhz. That would have been the 30% jump Eurocom was promising.

 

My thoughts as well. There was a rumor that 8990m would be based on a cut-down Southern Islands i.e. 7870 LE, but anyone familiar with the power curve on this chip knows that's not gonna happen. The only way forward for AMD is a new chip.

What AMD should have done to capitalize on Pitcairm mobile, imo, is released a higher-clocked, 1024 shader (aka 7850) as "7970m", then released a 1280-shader version (what we have now with 8790m). Instead they went all out too early with 7970m to try to compete with 680m.

 

Lets be fair here. If they wouldn't have gone all out with the 7970m the 680m would have been garbage. The 675mx was supposed to be the 680m. Thank the silicon gods for AMD jumping in.

 

Prices are determined by the market, not what they would like to sell it at.

Now that I've seen some of the most recent graphs of the 8970M, I'm starting to doubt another card as well.

 

If they wanted to sell it at 600 they could. Hell,they could even go as low as 500. The 680m and the 7970m came out of the factory at roughly the same price. I doubt that's much different with the 780m. Maybe it's a bit more expensive because of the higher rated vram. if they priced it only a 100-150 above the 7970m threre would be absolutely no reason other than fanboyism to buy an 8970m. Nvidia are missing out on a golden opportunity to steal a lot of money from under AMD's nose.

 

Do we even have any data on the 8990M? Who started the rumor? I`m pretty much up to date on future GPUs but 8990M is hardly mentioned anywhere. Can maybe recall a few posts in the asian forums which is usually full of speculation about future models

May 18-19th may be the date when GTX 780M is announced.

Nvidia Gaming Festival (NGF) is happening on those dates. Clevo will announce their next models, P157SM P177SM P375SM, featuring GTX 780M and 780M SLI.

5ichecker translated

 

It's pure speculation. It's not gonna happen. I hate AMD for doing a 6990m. Now we have to constantly listen to people talking about 7990m's and 8990m's. It was always obvious that neither of those would happen.

If AMD actually did something new this round they would have called it the 8970m and renamed the 7970m as the 8950m. They're not going to make an 8990m. Designing a new chip based on an old arch would cost far more than what they'd make of of it.

The next chip will be on Volcanic islands coming in Q2 next year or Q1 but you can expect tons of hardware issues if they rush it. Hope they learned their lesson with the 5870m and 6970m's overheating issues.

 

Actually the rumor is their new chips are looking at late this year.

 

It's not a garage sale where you go out with a permanent marker and set prices. They're set based on many factors, determined by the market. If NVIDIA were to start selling their cards at half what they do now, they'd have to cut other things to account for the loss in revenue (i.e. driver support), and that is unacceptable...

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/718698-150hm-gpu-upgrade.html#post9198857

 

Yes but that's on their next arch and probably 20nm. Wouldn't make much sense naming it 8990m. It would be named 9970m.

You're right about the driver support however if they soled more it would make up for the loss and in the long run they'd steal a lot of customers from AMD.

 

I wouldn't predict a price cut from Nvidia - their stuff sells, and sells bloody well too. It wouldn't be logical to reduce the price to compete, because they don't really have to - and that's down to AMD's continued (of late, anyways) poor products and support. Lots of folk out there prepared to pony up to avoid that kinda crap. As with everything in life, there are always people who look for a cheaper alternative (AMD) in hope of equivalent performance. That's the AMD vs. Nvidia gamble right now. I've seen a handful of people really happy with 7970m - compared to the plethora of folk happy with their more expensive counterparts.

 

Thats just silly. Pure laziness by Clevo to not change their BIOS to support a new GPU.
The laptop can take the 780M just fine. Its Clevo who doesn`t want to update the BIOS because they want to force people to buy a new system from them. Its not right to force the resellers to do the dirt work either, but I guess they will oblige to get better reputation. I`d understand it if Mythlogic sold GPUs though, because that would mean income from them.

 

Actually it's changes to the vbios that have rendered it not compatible.

 

I really want AMD to step their game up. If they don't, we'll never move into the 1440p realm, especially with 120Hz screens and such. One 680 doesn't max everything at that res, and it SHOULDN'T. It was never meant to be nVidia's flagship. But if they flop again and nVidia goes lax once more bringing out a midrange architecture card as their "flagship" model, then that's the end of all things progress. At the end of the day, the companies are about making money, not furthering gaming tech. Sure, they COULD have released the new cards at their original lineup and pricing, but that'd have demolished AMD 100% as nobody would buy a 7970 or 7870 or anything of that caliber at the prices they wanted, because for the first time with their 7000 series AMD raised their prices to match nVidia's pricing scheme. If AMD had brought out their series and the 7970 was priced as the GTX 660Ti currently is, nVidia might've gone ahead with their intended schedule.

I want AMD to completely destroy the market with their next set of CPUs and GPUs and make intel and nvidia have to work to be competitive. Then progress is achieved and all us consumers are happy.

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And I still want to hear Meaker's voice ring through the world THIS IS SINGLE GPU!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Which again is reckognized by BIOS right? So how hard is it to make a new BIOS that support it, available? I`m thinking not very

 

That

 

Yeah, I'm on the side with Cloud for once It's a crappy BIOS implementation, the POST function can't handle certain stuff... All other systems apparently can, MSI, AW, even my outdated M15x has no issue with all those vbios files, only the Clevo HM needs a modified one.

 

I know that. It was just an idea i voiced.

Nvidia sells well because they work as they should and they have huge OC potential. That's worth the premium.

AMD sells well because they're cheap.

We all want that to happen but it won't. AMD doesn't have the money for the RND that would require. We can be happy if they don't fall behind on the gpu market as they did with the cpu market.

 

I'll be totally honest, I was expecting the 780m to be a 680mx, and a nice margin faster than the 680m, but holy nvidia, this is EPIC. How can it be so much faster from every angle while using the same lithography and architecture...... Amazing, I am very grateful for the work they have put in to this release, job we'll done and I'm sure Optimus will continue to improve..... :thumbsup:


Edit: it's just a shame I'll never be able to afford this bleeding edge tech, but it does entertain and excite me just knowing its out there

 

So from what I can gather, the 780 will NOT be compatible with my NP9170EM without a vbios and/or bios mod?

 

Very likely. And how could it be? 780m didn't exist when NP9170 was released. Whether Sager or Clevo will offer their own BIOS is another story though. We have Prema and svl7 to the rescue though (be sure to donate to their coffer though )

 

Bad excuse, a proper MXM implementation doesn't need "vbios" compatibility or anything similar. The Clevos are MXM compliant (at least in theory) so any card that doesn't work while being within the thermal / power specs of the system simply doesn't work due to very poor firmware (BIOS) on the Clevo system.
As I mentioned earlier, even the outdated M15x can handle any current Kepler vbios without any issues.

 

Well it needs to have shipped with fermi or later as earlier systems did not like the new nvidia clock switching methods IIRC (going back to the acer series and their dislike of the 460M).

 

As long as the mainboard and the GPU adhered strictly to the standard it's probably not an issue, but considering it seems most manufacturers "cheat" the standards a bit to make it work best for their machines. Considering the boards are usually made by their respective laptop OEM's, it's not surprising that there's some tweaking going on and can cause issues with future upgrades. It wouldn't be a huge deal if Clevo openly supported past model BIOS revisions but they don't seem to. If it wasn't for the likes of Prema and svl7 we wouldn't have the options we do.

 

Which is why we support them where we can It's one of the great things about having a thriving community on here.

 

We're fortunate to have the likes of Prema and svl7, long may they continue to assist. :thumbsup:

 

Just quickly, off topic, Clevo is limitiing itself with the ever so closed encrypted BIOS of theirs.. even though they've got bad memories with a open BIOS, they should give it a go within limits, just a small test or so, really

 

Yup

Haven't dealt with Prema yet but svl7 gave me a hand when I needed it
Thanks to both of you guys

 

Hopefully the G750 will sport the 780m (a video leaked on youtube just a few hour ago about it, but it's already private), so I will be upgrading to it, because my G71 with a 9700m is getting a bit old

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no asus shall have a high end gpu, that whats written in the dead sea scrolls

 

GTX 780M benchmark found in a Lenovo Y400 forum lol.





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Asus will finally be joining the elite gamers. Their G750 will feature GTX 780M
Asus ROG Australia put a video on youtube showing it but had it quickly removed when they found out they did a boo boo. :/
YouTube

Full specs:
i7-4700HQ17.3" FULL HD (1920x1080) 3D; matt, LED megvilágítás; 16GB DDR3 1600MHz; 1000 GB SATA + 256 GB SSD; Nvidia Geforce GTX 780M 4GB GDDR5; Blu-ray ROM / DVDRW;

 

Yes, I'm aware of that, and that's why I was surprised to hear about that. It's still a rumour, but who knows, maybe ASUS actually decided to listen to consumers. I have my fingers crossed, I love the design of the G series laptops. Which laptops are likely to sport a 780m btw? Besides the Alienware (too flashy) and MSI G70 (uses an AMD CPU. Why?!)



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the gx70 uses an amd cpu, the gt 70 is another matter and will have the 780m there is also clevo/sager

 

MSI GT70 (does not use a AMD CPU, only Intel i7s)
MSI GT60
Clevo P157SM
Clevo P177SM
Clevo P375
Alienware M18xR3
Alienware M17xR5
Asus G750

 

There, fixed.

680m 1000/2400 for comparison (yes this one is real):

http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/4696941


I think either someone is full of bull or Vantage is just a crappy benchmark overall (I'm betting a little bit of both).

 

Idk that gpu-z shot in the Lenovo Forum is from an MSI GTX780M...maybe that's why he deleted the vendor ID

 

Something special has just arrived. :thumbsup:



Cheers.

 

did you get yourself a new 780M card for m18x?

 

NO WAY!!!!! - was it you who bought the first pair of 'em off Ebay? - you crafty little monkey!!

Can't wait to see you bench 'em out, Chief!