I`m upgrading, are you? (GTX 780M review inside)

I concur. It looks really nice and I think it will sell like crazy. Many enthusiast who don't like Clevo's plastic boxes and Alienwares flashy looks have been waiting for this. If the cooling is as good as on previous models it will be an overclocking monster.

Now all we need to know is if they ditched the cheap,mediocre screen for a nice high end mat TN panel.

 

I agree. If you don't want a lunchbox for a laptop, or premium priced AW, this looks like a good option. Aesthetically, it's pleasing enough to the eye. If it has good cooling, great screen etc, I think that AW and Clevo would lose some sales to this machine.

 

I`m not sure if this is 100% correct but for me it seems that

Asus = Efficient cooling, not very cold temperatures not hot either. Good enough to allow pretty quiet cooling compared to other OEMs
Clevo = Aims for really good cooling, have sacrificed the noise a bit to reach that goal
Alienware = Somewhere between Asus and Clevo in terms of noise and temperatures
MSI = I don`t know how to explain them

 

Asus: About right.
Clevo: Their cheap heatsink design requires user modding to work properly.
AW: Best cooling and highest oc potential you can get. You just need to repaste it with a high end TIM.
MSI: They need to switch to a dual fan design. Their cooling is noisy and doesn't have headroom for overvolting unless you're willing to run the fans maxed all the time. This last one is first hand experience.

 

MSI isn`t noisy. I have a GT70, its more silent than G-series when not gaming, because you can control the fanspeed on them. On gaming its not loud either. Its a swooosh sound thats not high pitched thanks to a very big cooling fan. I haven`t experienced any high temps with it either, so the system is pretty decent. Don`t know how they compare overclocked vs overclocked though. If that one fan from MSI is good enough for 1000MHz. I haven`t tried yet so you could be right. But stock clocks, the MSI actually a more quiet than Clevo according to NBC reviews.

I do agree that dual fan would be ideal though. Maybe two of the big MSI fans. That be something

Clevo models doesn`t require that tape mod as far as I know. People did it to improve temperatures, but Clevo didn`t do a ideal job, but its not required to do anything with it I think?
Alienware seems between Asus and MSI in terms of noise. They are not noisy, but have pretty good cooling anyway (better than Asus)

 

Well my 780dxr can get really noisy if I overvolt it. Without overvolting it's not too bad.

Clevo does require the tape mod to compare to AW's temps and no amount of modding can fix the p370. The heatsinks on the slave gpu are horrible on that.

 

There are if and buts to everything

Thats why its going to be tougher to find out what I want this time around with my GTX 780M beast

MSI have improved the cooling system on the upcoming GT70. More copper, less noise. Better LAN card. 1500MB/s Raid0 card. And some smart overclocking function they call NOS.
Alienware is rumored to have redesigned their notebooks to a more professional look. Also rumors about IPS panels (!!!).
Clevo have changed a little bit on the inside of their models I think. Restructured the heatsinks. So who knows how that will turn out in terms of noise and temp. Their notebooks (especially P177SM) looks really nice.
Asus is finally out with a model with GTX 780M. It looks really good. Their cooling is also stellar, especially the noise.

So much to think about

 

Well in my opinion if the G750 gets a proper screen it's a clear winner. If not than Alienware all the way. An IPS display would be pretty sweet. It's long over due after all.

 

Except the Asus will not be upgradable.

 

In the next days I test GTX 780M

 

AMD Radeon HD 7990 im Test (Anhang 2) - ComputerBase
3dmark 11 gtx 680 desktop -3400
3d mark 11 gtx780m overclocked -3100
yes with little overvolting.....new driver.....maybe...^^

 

We don`t know that yet. They probably will do their special MXM card, but there is a slight chance they bow to the standard MXM form factor now. But its certainly something to consider.

You got your hands on one?

Here is something to chew on for you Alienware M18x/Clevo owners.

GTX 780M SLI benchmark appears





http://videocardz.com/41622/nvidia-...tx-770m-and-gtx-765m-sli-performance-unveiled

 

Hi
Yes ...

 

They have made what? 3 machines in history that actually can use a standard card? :/

 

I'm impressed with those numbers, Cloud.

 

What's not impressive about a 13400 gpu score at stock clocks without dedicated drivers? That score is pretty good.

 

I agree ^, things considered (mainly that score killing 2670qm), that gpu score sits well. With the right cpu out now or Haswell coming, I imagine OC SLI 780m to open up quite nicely from those scores. Going to be a serious, fiscal worthy jump from SLi 580m.

 

Nah bro, AW is the best cooling possible, especially nothing comes close to m17x with proper pasting every 6 months (my 7970m doesn't see +70C on all games, 65C most of the time), that is with single GPU systems.

 

Didn't realize they were stock. Oops...

 

Quagmire LXIX 3dmark11 CPU performance doesn't affect GPU score, it's Vantage that does. So we are seeing 20% improvement as with the single GPU, again. Pretty impressive)

Also, single 780M scores 7k GPU score with no boost, where it has to be around 7500. We might see 14k stock GPU score when the card hits the market with proper drivers.

off topic: 770M looks like an 20% overclocked 675MX)

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/705795-w230st-13-weve-been-waiting-53.html#post9200540

 

That's about 20% over stock 680m SLI (720/1800), but about same as 680m at 800/2300. So at same clocks they perform about the same. All depends on how much the core can overclock, temps, and of course the vRAM stock 2500 doesn't hurt either.

 

Looks like GTX 780M is somewhere between 20-30% faster in average than GTX 680M. Both stock vs stock and overclocked vs overclocked.

That doesn`t make any sense though. At the same clocks 780M should be 15% faster (15% more cores)

 

So far from what I've seen about 20-30% faster than stock, only about 10% overclocked. It's a 680m at 1000/2400 vs 935/3100. In any case 780m seems to match the performance of the 680m basically, clock for clock, just it has a default clock higher. The extra shaders should help a bit for higher resolutions/heavy AA, and of course RAM.

I'd be curious to see actual results both at 1000/2400. That would tell the true story if you get bench scores, along with temperatures, and power draw.

Temps more important I think unless power draw nears limits of the current gen PSU's especially Clevo's with 180W bricks if anyone is to even consider an upgrade from an existing machine. But temps in the M18x are definitely impressive.

The other component however is Boost 2.0. Either will help or hinder it. But if svl7 can work his magic, maybe boost can go away and have ful control over clocks. Plus why are all the cards locked to +135MHz? So silly.

Technically but not in reality I guess. All depends on the game and CPU/GPU load balance.

 

In 3DMark11 Extreme an OCed GTX 780M score 17% more than an OCed GTX 680M.
In 3DMark Vantage an OCed 780M score 21% better than an OCed GTX 680M.
All done on stock voltage vs stock voltage, 1000MHz vs 1000MHz.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-software-graphics-cards/718021-i-m-upgrading-you-gtx-780m-review-inside-37.html

I`m certain that difference will increase once SVL and co. have fixed the throttling.

 

When I say score killing, I refer to the P score as that is what's misleading about the bench. It was caused by having great gpu's, but a weak cpu.

 

Once this thing gets some proper drivers and an unlocked bios it'll be awesome. Put two of them in sli and you have a 690 in your laptop.
I already stated this several months ago. Back then they said I was way too optimistic. Good thing I got the last laugh.

 

Testing has resumed again. OLES!! :thumbsup:

LOL the price has been increased again http://www.ebay.com/itm/Qual-sample...321&pid=100011&prg=1005&rk=1&sd=151043568218&

Voltage has been increased but major downclocking and throttling all over the place atm.

Cheers.

 

I believe this is as a result of non-mature drivers for the 780M. If you clock a 670 and a 680 the same, the 680 should perform better. It should be the same case here, but if the former has better drivers and the latter is on pre-release stuff that doesn't actually support it (and just does somewhat because it's a similar architecture; like how people would install desktop drivers onto laptops a few years ago and it'd work) then I believe this is why the core count difference is negated presently.

 

But any driver improvements for 780m will likely be realized by the 680m as well. The only benefit will be from the added Boost 2.0 but that will likely hinder performance more than help.

 

It doesn't look promising that the gap between desktop and notebook gpu increases with the 780m. The 680m / 7970m were the closest to high end desktop single gpu that notebook gpu's ever gotten. But the 780m is ~1500 SPs, while the gtx780 is ~2400 SPs....

 

I`m sure you guys will figure out right power limit and correct voltage after a while. Probably just something that needs to be tried a dozen times before hitting the sweetspot Let us know how it goes

There is a limit on how much juice you can pack in a notebook. Confined space you know. GTX 780 is a 2304 core. GTX 780M is a 1536 core. Pretty big difference there.
GTX 780 is actually a fully fledged GTX 680 btw. And Reborn have proved that he can clock his 780M at almost the same clocks as a GTX 680, so thats what we have in our notebooks today. The only difference between 780M and GTX 680 is that 780M right now show signs of throttling with high OC. But that is being worked on. So I`m not sure why you not find that promising.

 

It's just as always. Mobile gets the midrange gpu (gk104) while desktop has the high end (gk110). If notebooks get liquid cooling the power limit could be extended to 120-125W closing the gap a bit.

 

As cloud said, the main issure is the power/thermal limit of notebooks. This GPU generation on desktops brought great performance however it was a huge step forward in power drawn compared to previous gens. Due to this, we saw the higher end desktop cards reaching the limits of mobile GPUs.

Of course, this massive gains in power saving and thermal headroom, only comes with die shrinks and architecture revisions. Since desktop cards have no particular limits, we will see them skyrocket forward in performance, and mobile GPUs will be left behind again.

Still though, Mobile gpus will step to mid-high range, not low, and there aren't many games that we can't run maxed at acceptable framerates with 780m/680m and 7970m so nothing to worry about. I'd say we are doing pretty good for notebook users!

 

MSI just posted this on their facebook page. Decent score

 

Yeah, but not transparent as physx/ppu is enabled....look at that cpu score...

 

I don't know about that. I came across an ASUS listing for a new notebook, the G750X, and it shows a GTX 770MX with 3GB GDDR5 VRAM. Unless this is some custom or rebrand GPU, the 770M looks to have a 192-bit bus. EDIT: And TechPowerup already has a detailed listing. More like an overclocked GTX 670MX if true.

 

It is a overclocked 670MX. Chinese users "confirmed" this several places, unless nVIDIA radically changes something lol

 

You guys should stop believing that every screenshot / GPU-Z pic you see on the net is telling you the truth...

770m won't be a 670mx, does anyone want to bet?

 

Yeah I thought we made that point abundantly clear, lol.

 

The same was said about the 680M's vBIOS back in the day... then you took a look at it and voila

 

So is ASUS wrong about the 3GB of VRAM?

 

I'll quote prema directly:

"770M is GK106"

 

It's too early in the morning to dance. If it still has 960 cores, I have no idea what's being insinuated by svl7.

 

After 3+ years of waiting its time to upgrade.

With my old laptop having a GT 330m its going to be a huge difference for me.

 

what are the currently confirmed specs of all 700 series?

 

LOL I think the 780M will be atleast 12x as powerful as your 330M

See here:
Hardware | GeForce

The rest are pretty much open, except GTX 760M and GTX 780M which we know the specs for. So GTX 765M, GTX 770M, GTX 775M, GTX 770MX (sigh) are unknowns

EDIT: see the link from lukadder. Might be legit.

 

北森瓦版 - GeForce GTX 770MとGTX 765M
http://news.mydrivers.com/1/263/263858.htm

 

Aaaand the 770M is what we knew it was. Sick clock increase though..

Clevo did well to get the 192-bit 765M in the 13" laptop.

 

Asus G750 pictures posted by a forum member. It looks pretty cool.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-software-graphics-cards/718117-gtx-775m.html