IFA 2017 Asus's new gaming laptop

The "5 ms " Chi Mei CMN1747 TN panel (according to NBC measurements) has 11-20 ms response time during real time usage, while this new panel by ASUS (according to their claim) has 7 ms.
Someone needs to get the "new" 3 ms Chi Mei panel to NBC so they could measure the response time for that.

 

I agree, not many modern AAA titles will push out the 144 fps however that which does will look awesome. Also due to the lower response time less stuttering will be noticable.
Did you do your measurements with 1080p resolution? Don't forget that your 2k resolution can result in -15-20 fps depending on game compared to 1080p.

 

FHD to QHD is a bigger hurdle compared to QHD to UHD.


Most competitive gamers don't even run the game on medium settings, so 144hz is attainable on most (if not all) modern games. Reduced visual clutter and graphical complexity helps a lot.

 

Looks like the newer N173HHE-G32 is actually measuring at 7ms. I want to say there is even a newer one after that.

Either way, 7ms will be insanely hard to get in a laptop IPS display. In other words, I'll believe it when I see it. Then again at over $4,000 I'd expect nothing less.

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Don't forget, the older N173HHE-G32 is doing 7 ms with b2w, while it is doing 11-20 ms with g2g. Asus is claiming this screen has 7 ms with g2g.
I am really interested to see some measurements with the newer 3 ms panel MSI is using for their US laptops.

 

Yea, I am really interested to see this 7ms IPS display. My buddy has a Titan and I see no ghosting on it whatsoever. Another friend of mine has a G752 and I can sometimes see ghosting on that. Especially in BF1. I don't know what the response time of the 752 is but I can definitely see a difference in regards to response time.

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That Asus laptop is using an 120hz AUO B173HAN01.1 IPS panel.
According to NBC measurements that panel has:
g2g: 38 ms
b2w: 20 ms

Compared to this the Chi Mei N173HHE-G32 has:
g2g: 20 ms
b2w: 7 ms

This new ASUS display has:
g2g: 7 ms
b2w: ? ms

After trying out both the Chi Mei and AUO, I can confirm that the 120 hz AUO IPS panel used in the older ASUS laptops have the same ghosting that the 60 hz LG Philips LP173WF4-SPxx IPS panels have.
The 120 hz TN Chi Mei panel also has some minor ghosting, but it is very minimal and totally acceptable in my opinion.

This new ASUS display is going to be either a game changer and innovation for gaming laptops OR maybe it is going to be a big fail and will not be as we imagined it.

We shall have to wait and see.

 

I have to admit, I'm extremely skeptical that this screen will be close to 7ms in a g-2-g test.

I really hope it meets the claim though, because low response time IPS is something we need badly, in the laptop scene. It's been a long time coming, and goes to show how freaking far behind desktop monitor tech we are.

This screen will be a great companion for Volta, more so than Pascal, just because of how hard it is for even a GTX 1080 to push 144Hz.

 

I believe manufactures usually use the black to white numbers for response time. There is no way G2G is 7ms. Hell, if they can get G2G less than 20, I'd call it a success.

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Devran said Asus is claiming G2G, which is what caught my attention.

That's in the ballpark of the 144Hz Acer XB270HU, with Overdrive active.

 

At least that is what they told the press during IFA and also that is what they are saying on their own website:


Hopefully this claim will be true

 

If it can keep cool and have relatively quiet fans it'll be very tempting, I've got to see some reviews of this thing.

 

Did Asus show Gl702vi at IFA as well? It seems that they enlarged the case and put proper gtx1080 instead of max-Q.

 

I'm confused why this seems to unrealistic. G2G response time measurements are always the lowest and "best" which is why manufacturers always list their response times using G2G timings. It makes sense that Asus would list this response time as it is really good compared to almost all IPS panels on the laptop market.

The 120hz AUO TN panel I have in my laptop is listed as 5ms, and is probably measured in G2G. 7ms for this Asus seems really reasonable and easily achievable given most desktop 144hz IPS panels are around 4~5ms G2G out of the box. Most 144-165hz TN panels are 1~3ms G2G.

 

Not really. That panel has 5ms b2w and around 20ms g2g.

 

You have it backwards. W2B is always a faster response time than G2G.

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From Asus website :

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Cool under load and composed under pressure
Instead of slimming down, the Chimera beefs up to 51 mm thick to make room for an elaborate cooling system. For this class of laptop, we think it’s worth adding a little thickness for cooling that helps expand overclocking headroom and maintain higher clock speeds while gaming. The Chimera is still portable enough to stuff into a backpack if you want to take it on the road.

Four radiators sit behind exhaust vents flanking the rear corners. Each one is lined with fins measuring just 0.1 mm thick—half the thickness of our previous designs. Making the fins thinner allows us to add more of them, increasing the surface area for heat dissipation by 16%. And that still leaves larger gaps between the fins, reducing air resistance by 7%. A pair of blowers with dual outlets apiece generate airflow over the radiators; running on 12V power lets them spin 20% faster than typical 5V fans, which further improves airflow. To ensure consistent cooling performance over time, the fan housings have special channels that prevent dust and other fine particles from building up in the radiators.

A network of heatpipes channels thermal energy away from the CPU and GPU, and the Chimera also features an extra pipe for the circuitry powering those chips. Dedicated cooling keeps the power components under 80°C to improve long-term reliability.

BIG words. I wonder if it will live upto it.

 

Hope someone can get the unit to make a review unit already!

 

You need to go read up on response times and how they're measured. G2G produces the fastest response time results ALWAYS and that is why manufacturers put it on the box or website ad to attract consumers. 5ms on this panel is most definitely the G2G response time, with other response times of the panel most definitely being higher. This Asus may have 7ms G2G, but will most definitely have higher response times of other color shifts. Not even in the desktop monitor world does IPS beat out TN response times yet.

https://displaylag.com/exposed-input-lag-vs-response-time/

Right from displaylag.com article

What is response time?
The response time of a display is how quickly it can change its pixels from black-to-white or gray-to-gray. A display while turned on usually shows a black screen when nothing is being shown on it, and the time it takes to display a gray or white pixel from this state is recorded as its response time rating. So those pretty logos you see on the boxes of displays that state “2ms”, “6ms”, and so on reflect this measurement. It simply dictates how fast a display can go from a black-to-white or grey-to-grey pixel.




Why IS there black-to-white and gray-to-gray? Why not stick to one?
Simple answer: money. Display manufacturers know that going from black-to-white takes longer than it does for it to go from gray-to-gray. It makes more sense for them to advertise the fastest number, because it makes the display look more attractive in the consumer’s eyes.

 

Dude, it always takes longer going G2G. Go look at every review on Notebookcheck and it will confirm this. B2B is always listed by the manufacturers as the response time.

Here's an example.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Aorus-X7-v7-7820HK-GTX-1070-QHD-Laptop-Review.242112.0.html


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No, it's not..

I will use @DRevan exact screen in his SIG as an example and a few others.

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-XB240H-...00QS0AK6U/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8 -- Scroll on down to response time there buddy. "Fast response time of 1ms GTG (Gray to Gray)"

Here is my home desktop 144hz monitor as well.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824260333 --Under Specs Fast mode: 1ms gray-to-gray
Normal mode: 3ms gray-to-gray

O look here is my old 144hz monitor with 1ms. What do you know, its measured as GTG.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B2HH7G0/ref=psdc_1292115011_t1_B00KO4518I

Here is the 165hz IPS Asus monitor. Again 4ms measured as Gray to Gray.

https://www.asus.com/us/Monitors/ROG-SWIFT-PG279Q/specifications/

Would you like more examples? Gray to Gray measurements are the fastest and represent the best the monitor can do. What shade of gray they use isn't really published nor is it a standard. It's just become sort of the norm for measurements and it looks great on the box art. Again the 5ms on my 120hz, and the 3ms on the new MSI 120hz are GTG response times. There is no way in hell they could be anything but as that would mean the GTG response times would be lower and that just ain't gonna happen yet.

 

Some manufacturers still measure the response time with b2w.
There is no iso standard to which one to use, its like an unwritten agreement to provide g2g time because that is harder to lower. However as I said some manufacturers still despite the above will public the b2w time as response time. For more known manufacturers this was usually common before 2010, but recent years all bigger monitor manufacturers provide g2g.

Just look up the response measurements of the current 120 hz AUO and Chi Mei TN panels on Notebookcheck. Both give the same result: the closest value to 5 ms for both is the b2w. So neither AUO nor Chi Mei followed the "code of honor" between screen manufacturers and both provided b2w results instead of g2g.
Don't get me wrong, both are good and fast screens despite this, but still, if this new Asus screen will truly have 7ms g2g and even lower b2w then it will be better than both.

 

I don't care what advertisements say. I'm telling you that B2B response times are ALWAYS lower than G2G.

Rather than looking at product pages, why don't you go read some reviews on Notebookcheck. You will see that B2B always has a lower response time than G2G.

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How many of these actually hit the advertised response times, under review?

 

I have never really been keen on asus gaming laptops but this thing looks like a monster. I really like the design and the specs...and that screen though lol. I have to say starting with the zephyrus i really like the design direction that asus is taking with their new laptops. Just very appealing to the eye. Lets hope they perform as well as they look.

 

Reminds me of older AW 17 and 18. @Papusan

 

My thoughts are that #7 basically ruins everything unless it can be purchased for under $1,000.

I think running way too hot and cutting corners on cooling is status quo for laptops now. None of the crappy outfits that build laptops seem to have a good grasp of the importance of this matter. I'd say it is the single most important factor and none of them give it the attention it truly deserves. I'm sure the incessant whining and moaning about size, weight and fan noise has made it more difficult as well. Consumer obsession with those things has reached the point of being totally ludicrous.

 

design reminds me of my GT72

Lets see how the cooling system etc. is.

 

If I am going to shift to Asus it will be a desktop only. They're so good in making Desktop Pc's period.

 

Gaming on the ASUS ROG Chimera Notebook - 17.3" GTX 1080 144hz | Trusted Reviews

 

11-20ms is that good or bad compared to the MSI 3ms? Is 144Hz can benefit from a GTX 1080 if that card can only push > 144Hz with most games at maximum graphical settings.

 

Where did you get this 11-20ms figure? Obviously that range is worse than 3ms.

 

First post, at the bottom.
7ms for TN and 11-20ms for IPS.

 

You would want the response time to be as low as possible (= less time required for the pixels to switch colors)

e.g.: a 120Hz display refreshes 120 times per second, so you get about 8 ms (1/120) for each refresh.
If the display response time takes longer than that, it's likely the motions will get blurry as some of the pixels haven't completely switched to display what's suppose to be on the next frame.

(This is just sort of calculating the worst case scenario though, not every pixel will take that long to switch on every refresh.)

 

So for the 144hz screen of the Asus Chimera, the thread's namesake, you'd want 7ms minimum refresh, actually 6.94ms.

Thats going to be a tall order for an IPS-like screen, it will be exciting if Asus and their panel maker pull it off.

 

I don't get the comparison with 60 hz display! They should have compared it with some of the 120Hz laptop displays available in the market.

 

Comparing it to a 120Hz display with 5ms response times wouldn't make it look nearly as transcendent.

Marketing 101.

 

Your're definitely correct but for me gamer's today are well informed enough to know that 144hz will always do better in terms of refresh rate.

 

When is the chimera supposed to release for purchase?

 

Mid October.
MSRP $2999

 

ROG website updated, many new info added!

Including info about the cooling:





The G701VIK had an acceptable cooling and it seems Asus improved that even further!

Oh and claimed performance:


Also, thank God Asus is not using the Devil's pitchfork for the CPU cooling!

 

I am sure the speakers will be better and fans are less noisy than G701vik. It seems it will be an ideal one for me. My G701vik is already for sale

 

Why on Earth did you buy the G701VIK? It's not a bad laptop, but Chimera was already in the backyard...

 

Well the new one costs here 3300€ and I bought it for 1900€. 3 months old laptop. It was only because of the price. I can sell it easily I believe.

also same Cpu and Gpu, I didnt see much difference. Only fans bother me now.

 

>releases October with 7820HK
>coffee lake also releases October

 

Maybe they'll change after the initial run, or they were saying 7820HK because they were still under NDA about Coffeelake?

 

here's hoping

then again there's the G701 skl being released just 1-2 months before G701 kbl

 

So probably leaning more towards the former, they'll have an initial run with KL before going to CL

 

bless the pour souls who got shafted with the skl

and those who will buy the kbl chimera

 

Maybe they'll have a sweet deal on it to move kbl units.