Intel X3100 users rejoice! It's finally here! New Pre-Beta Drivers

hello,
i still have problems running warcraft3:frozen throne

i have good frames, and i can play normal, but after like 10-15 minutes the screen freezes and i cant do anything, then comes the bluescreen...

any suggestions what i can do?

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=128777&page=59

Continental, go on the link above to see enabling software mode on WC3. I know you tried it before, but that's the page where it gives all the details.

atthegates: Its either that you have a GM965 and the clock is throttling or you have a GL960 and 800MHz FSB CPUs does work on it. I know, it sounds weird, but one of my friend also has a Pentium M CPU on his laptop with a value chipset meant for Celeron. He has a Pentium M 1.6GHz/400MHz FSB running on a 910GML, which on the datasheets says its meant for Celeron.

Who installed the CPU? Did you try to find out if the CPU could be used for your laptop?

*OS should not affect your fillrate beyond 5%*

Eason: Could you maybe just check on Intel Graphics Media Accelerator Driver control panel?? You can go there by right clicking on the desktop and clicking on one of the options on the menu. Just click on info and see what it tells you.

If you can't see it, you might want to go to the BIOS and check it out. On Visat, the driver uses DVMT more forcefully than XP, so whatever the settings the user/manufacturer may have set might not have an effect. But in XP its different and that's maybe why you are seeing different results.

 

The CPU is installed by me I've done some research there is a thread here on NBR too about that. There is a CPU thread in ACER forums where several guys managed to upgrade to T7100/T7300/T7500 and even T8100. The FSB is reported as 800Mhz by at least 5 programs, including CPU-Z(various versions), Everest etc.

Hmm..With the T2370 I had PowerStrip installed..and PowerStrip WAS reporting 400Mhz..I'm going to install PowerStrip again and let you know.

Intel® Chipset Identification Utility couldn't detect the chipset when I had T2370, I tried it now - same thing - 'Failed to identify your chipset'.
EDIT...4? XP SP3 fault? I'll confirm friday(hopefully)
http://www.intel.com/support/processors/tools/ctu/sb/cs-012541.htm

I guess it's GL960 after all..?
EDIT: According to www.acer.es, I have a GL960..

 

Nothing in the BIOS, but the display properties method was the one I was using to check. I ordered a bigger HD and once I migrate my stuff to that, I'll try dual booting XP/Vista and then I'll be able to do comparisons pretty painlessly.

 

Eason: It seems the latest drivers, 14.34 took out the info button.

atthegates: Yes, if you are using Centrino identification program, GL960 wouldn't quality for it. Centrino certification needs Intel CPU+chipset+wireless and they have to be mainstream and extreme versions. So I guess you have a GL960 hmm.

Update: Eason, right click on desktop, go to settings tab, click on advanced, and to adapter tab. The "Memory Size" part should show the maximum amount of memory available. Mine shows as 384MB of course.

Which game were you running that was slower than atthegates??

 

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They did that with the Vista drivers too, I'm assuming what they did with it was the same, it's now a little (i) image button on the very top right of the window, near the (?) help and (x) close

 

Does anyone have any problems with the 14.34 drivers? I cannot run 3Dmark06, Half Life 2, Rappelz or any high demanding games on them. Ont he 14.33 drivers which i gone back to now everything is fine. When i try games on the new drivers the game just closes right before it starts or it simply restrats the whole laptop.

Maybe the new drivers demand more ram or something since i only got 512 MB. At lest the older drivers work perfect

 

Hmm I don't know..no problems here so far..with 14.33 I get BSOD 0x000000ea(infinite loop) sometimes, but 14.34 is rock-stable, at least for now.

 

does the GMA3100, use the same software as the X3100?

 

GMA3100 and x3100 are the same thing. GMA means Graphic Media Accelerator(I think ). And yeah same software

 

I believe it was STALKER which ran slowest- even after the new processor, it still choked and was probably at 3-4 fps in any kind of complex scene. Could have been the rain at the time, but it was the same performance in those town areas I had with the celeron. The only thing that was improved were my FPS peaks in the rural areas. I suspect Quake 4 is running faster for him as well, since with his settings I still get a lot of unplayable areas (sub 20 fps) when multiple guys are on screen in large rooms. 640 x 480 is certainly faster than 800 x 600, and I wonder if it's because I'm limited to 128 mb instead of 384. Doom 3 runs faster than Quake 4, but with similar issues with complex rooms and multiple enemies. It could also be that I just have higher standards than him when it comes to gaming . I ran 3dmark05 and got 724, though I had a couple programs open at the time. Curious as to what Atthegates's full test score is. (Fill rate was not included, only game test and CPU test)

edit: just installed 2gb of ram, still 128 mb max.

 

3DMark05 640x480 / 1024x768 / 1280x800. Normal Windows environment, antivirus/firewall/antimalware, daemon tools, windows messanger etc running:

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Retested w 2gb, got 764 @ 1024 x 768. Which one was 1024?

 

Ermm...What? I don't get the question sorry. On the image you can see the score and the resolution(marked with red rectangle) for the three tests I made.

 

No.

GMA 3100=IGP in G31/G33 chipset, meant for desktops. The basic graphic architecture derives back to GMA950 core, adding Clear Video in the process however.

-Uses traditional pixel/vertex shaders
-4 pixel pipeline/1 TMU per pixel pipeline
-400MHz for G31/G33 chipset
-Pixel Shader in Hardware and Vertex Shader in software(VS in software alone means it has no hardware T&L).

GMA X3100=IGP in GM965/GL960 chipset, meant for laptops.

-Unified Shader architecture with 8 Execution Units(EUs)
-500MHz for GM965
-DX10/OpenGL 2.0 capable
(DX10 support requires every support to be on hardware in order to meet the spec. Whether the GPU passes DX10 compatibility or not is almost black and white. Either you meet it or you don't. Of course, this means hardware T&L is basically there.)

*Hardware T&L is an old term. The new shader architecture GPUs use Vertex Shaders for similar function*

Eason: atthegates got 847 in 3DMark05.

Anyways, your laptop BIOS is set to fixed memory, rather than using DVMT. That really can hamper your performance, not just in 2D.

 

haha just noticed that, sorry

 

Oops...Next time will be more careful and will research before posting..

 

i want your opinion, toshiba satellite A200, intel 15.9 vista 32bits drivers and 4 gigas Ram 620 points
is a good, bad, or normal puntuation.
is possible to make a better puntuation?
The bios os the graphic card is old, i dont know why toshiba wait to post a new graphic card bios
opp, 1280x800 resolution

 

For what?? 3DMark05 or 06?? Sounds like 05. If its 620 points in 3DMark05, that is below the average even for X3100. Mid-range Core 2 Duo based X3100 laptop would score ~900.

 

Hi there!
I'm sorry to post in this 3d , but ***The X3100 is *NOT* an acceptable gaming card!*** was closed some time ago (dont want to open a new 3d - question is not so much OT ).

BTW, I tried to run SupCom (not FA) in my business laptop.
Specs:
- Fujitsu E8310
- Intel® Core™2 Duo T7300 (2.0 GHz)
- 1GB DDR II
- Intel® X3100 GMA

Question: dual display seems not to work properly (it doesnt work at all). In the secondary monitor I can see only extended desktop, no extension of game GUI.
Is it a known issue with X3100? Can you help me?

Thanks!

 

oh sorry, i use 3d mark 06 and vista home premium 32 sp1
One question more, can i install the new 3d mark in my laptop?
i think that no but id like to know opinions

 

eeew, 272 3dmarks in 06 at 1024... I'll try vista and see if the memory expansion helps at this resolution.

 

diezjackdaniels: That's an AWESOME 3DMark06 score for X3100.


Eason: There is something wrong with your system, it shouldn't score that low.

 

i get 370 point in 3dMark06 with my specs

 

Something should be wrong..I get double score.. 551

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I'm thinking it could be my 128 limiting my fillrate. I just installed the updates as well to 3dmark I'll try again.

 

What's your CPU score? If it's too low maybe that's the reason for such low score..

 

My CPU score was 1513. What drops my score is that all of the tests run at about 1 frame every 3 seconds. @_@ This goes with the results I've seen on notebookcheck, however, where the only X3100 to score in the low 200's was limited to 128 mb ram.

 

Wow a frame in 3 seconds..I get at least 1fps/sec..but so what, it still give me the creeps just watching it...

 

617 points after instal vista 64 home premiun in 3dmark06.
when i have 1 giga ram mi puntuation was around 400 points but now i have 4 gigas and 617,620 is my puntuation.

 

I got a acer aspire 4315 with intel x3100, I think it's one of the best IGP now. But I'm quite frustated with the x3100 in some of the problems that I've encountered:
- Call of Duty 4 always hangs while loading even after I've updated to 14.34 (newest driver) and the latest DirectX.
- Titan Quest can not be played in Windows XP because of graphic problems like losing sprites in both characters and monster and all the landscape ( they all become gray and take a while to become normal) but it happens again when I go to a new land. But I can play without that graphic problem in Vista (i use dual boot) but it's very choppy (5-15fps).
But the thing is I've tried both games in my friend's Lenovo with a x3100 also COD4 doesn't hang and Titan Quest looks beautiful, he use 14.34 also (
I've checked and found one different between our laptop is that he's sharing 256 mbram in xp, I have only 128mb ram in XP but 256mb ram in Vista, his and mine got 1gb of ram but I have a celeron while he has a core2 duo, I think it's the problem in TQ but I can't find a way to increase the ram share (even in bios) Can any1 give me some advice?

 

Increasing the Shared Ram won't do squat. Call of Duty 4 will never be playable with the X3100, especially being strangled by the Celeron CPU.

You guys are expecting so much out of the IGP. It's cool to see what results some of ya'll have gotten with it, but people buying notebooks expecting them to run Call of Duty 4 smooth is just absurd. Maybe with crazy tweaks, and hours of work, you may get it to run at 20FPS. Now, that's not playable, but it works I guess.

Sorry, I just feel bad for the people shelling out money thinking it will game because of Intel's marketing. (Along with retail store sales-people saying "Oh the X3100? Yes, run any game on the market")

 

Yeah you're right..But here is the thing..I bought one of the cheapest laptops I could find because I can't afford a good one. And for that reason I'm trying(and probably most of the guys here) to squeeze 101% of x3100.
When Intel make a new driver is like a little Christmas for me Expecting miracles..

@dukka I'm sorry but COD4 is unplayable with x3100..as @KGann said, with a lot of tweak you can achieve 20fps max. Out of the box i totally unplayable, I tried it on 640x480 and all low and I was getting like 5-10fps..

 

Interesting, you're using Vista 64 bit? Vista 64 bit performs notoriously poorly compared to 32 bit. At least, it should....

 

@Kgann: Actually the thing I want to play is Titan Quest cos I've already beaten COD4 on my PC at HOME (I've been able to max out most of the setting with a 7600gs agp and an old P4 2.0ghz (slower than a celeron 540 1.8ghz))
I'm a student abroad and I can only afford an Acer 4315 and now I want to have some fun with my friends in Titan Quest so I come here to ask for an advice. if you can not give out any, why don't u go out and spend more time playing with your "happy" laptop rather than come here to feel sorry for us?
PS: Watch this before saying that COD4 is unplayable with x3100:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqDqf9RIA94
And my friend has already beaten COD4 with his x3100 with just normal setup, no tweak, 800x600 and everything lowest with about 15 - 20fps all the time - no lie

 

For a nice gaming experience you have to have more than 15-20FPS That's what I meant by saying 'unplayable'. I guess if you're a hardcore fan of the COD series you'll play it at this framerate..
Fot Titan Quest..sorry no idea never tried it. I'd say that the Celeron is the problem in your case..

P.S. I watched some so called 'x3100 videos' some time ago on youtube...some of the games were performing suspiciously well for a x3100

 

@atthegates, I agree, and I'm glad to see you guys squeezing everything out of it as possible! That's the fun of computers.

@dukka, 15-20FPS is not playable to me, especially in a First Person Shooter, but you may be different.

And that video is a shenanigan. He must have completely tweaked everything, and even then, there is still no way. When you, or someone on here, can show me screenshots of action in CoD4 on the X3100 with 30+FPS, then I'll believe it.

Keep testing guys, it's very interesting to see what ya'll come up with!

 

Windows vista ultimate SHOULD come today, it's killing me waiting for it not because I want vista, I'm just curious about the memory thing and if it will change my 3dmark06 score HAHA.

 

KGenn: Actually in modern games, and the X3100 having more shared memory will help the X3100. The time when 128MB or 256MB was enough was long gone. Not to mention not only capacity is dynamically allocated, but also bandwidth is.

Dukka: X3100 can share dynamically up to 384MB if your memory capacity is high enough. But the thing is the manufacturers of the laptop can also set the options themselves and possibly lock it. In Vista the graphics driver uses the video memory more forcefully and that's why the allocation might be different from XP. You need to find a way in BIOS to change the max memory. Again, if the options aren't there, you are screwed!

If your friend's laptop can run CoD4 without problems with same drivers, you should be able to do that too. You should try reinstalling the drivers. Of course, running it without problems doesn't mean you will run it faster. If you have a GM965 not the GL960, having a Core 2 will also help. The GPU gets downclocked when the FSB of the CPU is only 533MHz. The reason is because in an IGP since everything is in the chipset, the clocks of FSB/memory/GPU clock has to be somewhat meeting the ratio set by the hardware.

(Titan Quest did not run at all with previous drivers. 14.34 and 15.9 must have fixed that)

 

IntelUser is probably the most educated man on the X3100 topic. (No offense to anyone else, this guy just knows his IGP!)

I still don't believe allocating an extra 64m of RAM will help, due to the bandwidth problem the X3100 has. You can slap 1G of VRam on a card, but if the bandwidth isn't fast enough, it won't matter. Is the X3100 64b or 128b?

 

So have we had any new info regarding new X3100 Vista drivers?

 

Vista Ultimate here! 3dmark05 scored 988- About 250 marks HIGHER than in XP. Additionally, Vista is showing that I have 358 mb of video memory instead of 128 in XP. I might be sticking with vista

note: using the newest vista drivers.

 

The max supported memory on the X3100 is 384MB, dynamically allocated depending on requirements. The memory bandwidth width is equal to 128-bit, due to running system memory which is dual channel(2 64-bit channels).

See, look at Eason's score. The additional memory allocation is really helping with 3DMark06. That would depend on settings but in 3DMark06, the default graphics settings is high, which would use a lot of video memory for textures. Don't know how low settings on modern games are, but for Crysis/Supreme Commander/Bioshock and such the video memory usage is something like 500+MB on high. I'd think even on low, 128MB will be exceeded.

 

@Inteluser: thanks I think Acer may have locked the option to change the share ram (have searched every corner of the bios) so now I guess I'm stuck with 128mb.
In case of COD4, do you think the problem is because I download the zip driver and use the "have disk" method to install the driver instead of run setup.exe?
Titan quest has alreadied been playable on previous drivers of Intel (the equal of 14.32 in VIsta, I can't remember) but with the same problems. I've very happy when they release the 14.33 and next 14.34 and download immediatly but they still haven't solve my problem

 

Ok, 3dmark06 has gone to 594 points with Vista. That's more than double the XP score, without a doubt it's because of the memory (unless the Vista drivers are ahead fantastically of the XP ones...). However, HL2 scores 5 fps lower in the stress test than in XP.

 

I don´t think you should trust on 3DMark values as they are optimized on drivers. The best test are "real games" with fps count or with demo mode.

If you set higher than the chip´s capabilities it will cache higher textures but the chip won´t deal with it. You may pass from 5 to 7fps but the game will have more variations as there is less RAM for the rest of the system/game

If you set graphics that the chip can really handle (generally MEDIUM or LOW) than it will also use less quality textures and 128Mb should be more than enough. A similar generation 3D chip with dedicated 128Mb RAM will be faster than a X3100 with 358Mb shared memory. Another issue is that Nvidia and ATI-AMD release highly optimized drivers (both for the hardware and games) almost every month and Intel is mediocre on that.

Such powerful company cannot hire a few more software engineers? (or more competent ones?)

 

There is NO other reason for Eason's GM965 to run slower than atthegate's GL960.

 

Anybody here know of ways we can change Direct3d video settings? I want to enable tripple buffering in D3d games, I've found some things about "DirectX tweaker" which uses profiles, and RivaTuner/Ati Tray Tools, but I believe those don't work with intel's cards.

 

Eason, go to the Intel graphics properties and click on 3D settings. On 3D settings, you'll see one that says Triple Buffering. True, there are only 3 options, default, on and off, but its there at least .