Maxwell or Mantle makes you more excited?

Oh come on guys. We all know that if it's on the internet and most of all YouTube, it has to be legit.

 

I could have believe better the video if he showing only 20-30 more FPS... By the way Catalyst Control Center looks so real or that also fake?

 

He he he yeah. He would probably have fooled a lot more if he posted 100FPS or something like that. But he went a bit overboard with a whopping 500FPS lol
That Catalyst stuff sure looked real.

 

R9 280X CF with Intel HD 4000...

 

Emulated, no less. :laugh:

 

Well, I told that I don't buy it, didn't I I didn't want to write smth like "Nah, it is total bullsht what you posted, man" so wouldn't offense members because yeah, it wasn't that so obvious to me. I am far from AMD afterall

 

Mantle is more exciting, we need innovation on the software side, current hardware is already great.

 

What is more, Mantle will be free for gamers, while Maxwell is going to cost heaps.

What makes me wonder is: what if NVIDIA decided to jump on the Mantle ship? How would Mantle run on Maxwell?

 

Yep anything which makes games run faster and look prettier by taking better advantage of our existing hardware is a win to me.

It's wishful thinking, but I doubt Nvidia is ever gonna have anything to do with Mantle. If they feel threatened enough, they'll introduce their own low-level API, since history has shown that they love to stick to proprietary stuff. I don't really care though. My desktop is due for a GPU upgrade soon and it's gonna be a Radeon just like the last one.

 

I'm just waiting to see how this whole Mantle thing pans out, then I'll upgrade my GTX 670 in my desktop. Until then, it's working great for me.

 

AMD Mantle support for BF4 delayed. Anybody surprised?

By than you will probably see Maxwell GPUs too, more to consider .

 

He pretty much quoted my thoughts too. LOL

 

Not surprised at all. DICE has more than they can handle on their plate fixing BF4 for everyone let alone adding Mantle support for a fraction of users.

 

Even if it is quite a big fraction imo


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Maybe Mantle and Maxwell are delayed because they are joining forces to make Maxtle.

 

32% for AMD, versus 52% for Nvidia...

 

I think there is a very good chance Nvidia is working on thier own version of Mantle. That is assuming Mantle offers any competition at all. And they will use their own name, a science name. So Mantle is like a core to the Earth. So maybe a science core, like Atom, or Protron, or Photon, or Particle, etc.

 

Well nVidia's next 2 architectures have something to do with electricity/electromagnetism (Maxwell, Volta), so Electron would probably be the most apt.

And in response to the original question, a hot girl gets me far more excited than either.

 

But that's a different kind of excitement, if you catch my drift. :laugh:

 

Not surprised Mantle is delayed. It's not a big delay, though. No need to make a big deal out of it.

 

EA told us this was coming. I am Jack's complete lack of surprise...

 

OMG AMD FAIL!!1!

It will go bankrupt. The signs are all there. We are left with only Intel and Nvidia. Customers are doomed. Now hardware price will skyrocket. No progress will ever be done since they can just slowball it now that AMD is soon gone.

The world is doomed!!!

 

I think the delays falls squarely on EA being a bunch or morons.

 

Straight from AMD themselves.

I`m still very sceptical but say Mantle produce 20% more FPS than DirectX and it is locked down with AMD GPUs only, I might switch side. But I have to see it in action and if it will be widely supported by game devs first.

 

After googling, this is a good thread with a load more slides from the same presentation:

AMD Tech Day - Kaveri & Mantle Slides - CPUs, Motherboards, and Memory - Linus Tech Tips


Looks like there might be some kind of announcement on January 14th, it says underneath the slides in small lettering: "under embargo until the 14th January".

 

Yep, AMD is releasing Kaveri APUs around that time. And it have R7 graphics (IGP), which is said to work better with Mantle than DX.
Thats why they are marketing both at the same time.

Looking forward to see some real FPS comparison between the two.

 

From one of those slides in the link that I linked, it talks about a comparison between DirectX and Mantle in API CPU limited scenarios. I think for the current games, at least the ones I play, I'm never CPU limited, because the GPU is always at 100% load (well 97 -100% load), so I'm not sure of what kind of improvements could be seen in most current games. Maybe future games will be able to take better advantage of Mantle to improve visuals & experience, but for most current games it doesn't seem important.

EDIT: Thinking about it, I've got the wrong end of the stick, the games have to have Mantle support to take advantage of it, so by definition it can only help future games! Hopefully it will open up more impressive visuals, AI, etc.

 

Im not sure but I think they mean CPU dependant games where the CPU plays a big role, like Starcraft 2. Which they would absolutely need because Intel is greatly beating AMD in CPU performance anyway. Mantle might be a way to catch up in those games, and if it works this way, there is no way in hell they will share this tech with Intel and the rest without getting paid for licensing out the API.

 

The Cloudfire switching to AMD? What is this world coming to?

BTW nice pics of blinding whiteness.

You mean like how Intel's been licensing AMD64 since Pentium 4 Prescott?

 

Why would Intel be interested. Their iGPs are always the bottleneck.

 

That's the very reason why they *would* be... to improve performance.

 

Nope. The new API reduces CPU overhead so you can feed more commands to the GPU. There's no point feeding more if your GPU is already too busy.


BTW, for those who are wondering why it's AMD, not NV doing mantle, a part of the reasoning is in this generation (GCN vs Kepler), AMD payed far more transistor budget for dynamic scheduling, low granularity memory control and stuff, and cut corners else where. This is why GCN is doing way better in compute tasks that require complex data access patterns. If the drawing call overhead wasn't a problem, GCN should be able to handle more complex model structures (more stuff on the screen) than its Kepler counterparts. Due to the CPU overhead however, high end GCN cards are just scratching their heads waiting for the CPU to feed more commands. So GCN's advantage is masked but its disadvantage isn't. This make AMD more desperate than NV in doing something about the overhead.

As for why mantle happened at this time, I don't know. It's funny that AMD and NV kind of switched positions in last arch update. If mantle was to happen 1 gen earlier it should be done by NV on Fermi.

 

I thought I read that Mantle was a free to use API, or at least open for other companies to use Mantle. Is it true that NVidia would have to pay for it then, if they wanted to use it?

 

It would help GPU performance too... Having a thinner API will allow devs to optimize for the hardware more. Improved drawcall count is only one aspect of Mantle.

Also, the reason why Mantle happened this gen is probably because AMD got design wins in both the PS4 and Xbox One, which makes porting low level optimizations from consoles to mantle much easier. Otherwise, not many devs would bother since GCN cards make up a small segment of the market and it wouldn't make sense for AMD to develop a custom API for such a niche either.

 

45% faster than dx ? With which cpu ?
I think they are talking about amd apu + igp case !

 

After making of fun of Larabee forever, I have to give Intel props. Their new IGP is impressive.

Mantle could help them a lot. Low level access to the chip is great for games but offers other applications too.

IMO Intel will buy AMD in a a year or two for patents and talent. Then they will own Mantle too.

They are only a couple of years away from delivering a knock out to one or both of AMD and Nvidia I think.

 

Sounds like apocalypse.

 

Sounds like what EA did to all the great IP's of yesteryear haha.

 

Can't happen. Intel would have monopoly then and at least in usa would have government all over them regulating everything. If anything Intel could buy nvidia.

Beamed from my G2 Tricorder

 

What did we get today? More bold claims and no independent proof.

What are they waiting for, exactly? Release it to the enthusiast press so real testing can be done. The longer they take, the more skeptical I become.

 

What "more bold claims" came out today?

 

AMD didn't float a 45% faster chart out there?

 

Where....?

 

Like this?

 

http://666kb.com/i/ckq3adww92re4vlw1.jpg
http://666kb.com/i/ckq3b8rq6qbtgzlox.jpg

 

Here is a video Mantle in work;

AMD Gaming CES 2014 (Mantle running on Battlefield 4) - YouTube

Looks great and the guy also talked about 45% speed increase.

 

Still mantle only work with gcn cards or am i wrong ?

 

Why didn't they show an before and after? Here's BF4 with DirectX, take a look at the FPS. Here's BF4 with Mantle, now see the FPS improvement. Otherwise who knows what the hell is happening there.

 

+1!

He should have done a split screen with a direct comparison. That demo he's done means nothing to me.