Metal Gear Solid 4 Reviews

you guys are rediculous, this is not ever going to happen, this is Sonys pride and joy, finally something that made they're console better then MS's and you think its going to be ported? I know its up to the developers but I think they were paid more then well enough to justify not porting.

 

Just a quick question, is there going to be another MGS game after MGS 4?

 

es, there'll be... but the producer wont be hideo kojima.

 

Will it continue with the current plot?

 

Who knows!

 

There might be but it won't involve snake, or at least not continue snake's story in the future tense. Snake has taken his last bow I believe.

 

Yup, thats true, Snake already had it, i wish that even MGS3 gets ported to the PC i like that type of games, i have a PS2.. but the TV isnt helping me out with it, so i just wish for a game like that on the PC

 

Had to make a point about the "PS3 Sales". Yes, it's true, the PS3 has sold less units than the 360. I own both a 360 and a PS3. (Sold the Wii) To me, the PS3 just has a better feel. The reason it's sales aren't the near the 360 is, of course, due to the price. But to me, it felt justified, moving to a much higher capacity disc just seemed smart. The price is obviously higher, due to the integrated Blu-Ray drive. I felt pretty cheated when I shelled out $150 for the esteemed "Xbox 360 HD-DVD Drive". What a waste. So, if you look at, after the $150 for the drive, plus the $349 I paid for the system, we're right up to the cost of the 80G PS3. Or, do like I did, buy the 40G (no interest in backwards compatability), buy a $120G HDD from Newegg.com for $68.99, upgrade myself, and viola! For around $490 I got a 120G PS3!

I do love my 360, and I have to admit Live is much better, feature wise, than PS3 Network. But the Blu-Ray, built in Wi-Fi, ($99.99 for 360), and free PS3 Network, I'm actually quite happy.

And yes, I feel it is necessary to have at least reviewed the last 3 MGS games to understand the whole MGS4 thing.

 

Price doesnt seem to be the big issue it once was either because PS3 is right on track for the 360 given the time its been for sale.

PS3 also has been outselling 360 the past few months

 

That's what I thought, but didn't want to make a stupid accusation without some facts. Thanks, though. (Not saying yours was stupid, I just never had fact, only here-say)

 

yeah i mean you figure the ps3 has been out about 1.5 years, the xbox has been out 2.5 years... so you figure you should expect ps3 sales at about 60% of total 360 sales...

i don't know the exact figures but if the ps3 userbase is something on the order of 60% of the 360 userbase, then both consoles have been selling equally well.

also, about the port of mgs to the PC, its definitely possible, i don't think sony has any say (long term)... and mgs wasn't developed ON a ps3... hint hint

 

There is a little sly comment in the game saying something to the tune of "The game was designed FOR the PS3)

 

May NPD data

Hardware

PlayStation 3 208.7K
PlayStation 2 132.7K
PlayStation Portable 182.3K
Xbox 360 186.6K
Wii 675.1K
Nintendo DS 452.6K

 

I just tried mgs4... definitely awesome!... but still not used to right stick aiming.. the weapon customizing is cool..

 

How was I being ridiculous, all I said was that you can get Metal Gear Solid on the PC and Metal Gear Solid 2 on the Xbox!

 

I wish they made the MGS series playable on PC in particular MGS4

 

For years Gamespot was the place I went to if I really wanted to know about a game before I bought it, but as of right now I would much rather read and visit IGN (which before I considered the distant 2nd for game reviews and then blacklisted for awhile because Rupert Murdoch bought it). Read this if you want a reason to not visit Gamespot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gerstmann.

Now that I'm done ranting I can't wait to get a PS3, this will be the first game I buy. I still remember the day my dad bought MGS for PS1 (the first game he actually bought with the intention of playing himself also). I had planned on saving money and buying the MGS4/PS3 bundle until I came across my gateway. Now I guess I'll just read this thread and watch some videos while slowly dieing inside

 

I know quite a few people that have bought a PS3 just for this game....

 

The developer said that they nearly filled up a double layered bluray disc... that's like 11 dvds.. Unless BD takes off in PC.. it really won't happen. Or unless they sell it in HDD form.. lol

 

I don't doubt that for a minute as the game is basically one giant HD movie with a little gameplay sprinkled in.

 

So that you don't get two hours of FMV? That's the only advantage to BR. I doubt there's 40GB of actual game files. Probably 3-4GB game files and the rest HD FMV sequences. Big whoop.

 

blu ray discs are 25GB not 40, so i dont know where u got that from.

i also bet there is alot more then "3-4" GB of game files, equavilant games like COD4, GOW, all were around 10GB and we know that not 80% of that was FMV

 

Keep telling youself that if it allows you to sleep at night. but eventually, you'll have to face the truth.

 

I haven't played the game but like all MGS games, most of the cutscenes are done in real-time, with only a few videos shown.

 

htwing... rahul is actually right.. giggle...
I saw how act 1 unfold, the size of the game most probably comes from the texture and sound files...

 

25 GB per layer. MGS4 is a dual-layer BD. Simple math from there.

 

Yeah I remember reading that Kojima ran out of room on a standard BD.

 

didnt know...

 

Real time cutscene?

that is correct... Snakes "camo" matches the textures of the wall he goes up against.. during cutscenes it represents the last touched surface..

and if you shake the SixAxis it removes the camo and goes back to black. you can do this in the cutscene.

As well as move about in some sutscenes via the MG Mk2

 

only problem with that is all the MS fanboys just stuck up their nose at MGS2:Substance.. It sold better on PS2 .. which had MGS2 already!

MGS4 is PS3 exclusive.. the next Metal Gear though... that could be a multiplatform since it will not be part of the "Solid" saga.

Still would be constrained by the Bluray thing.. unless they could encorporate some sort of Streaming for the 360 :S

Also since its been Designed For CELL it would most likely be like the Orange Box port on the PS3... distinctivly below expectations .. still awesome.. jsut not as good.

 

Swapping disks or waiting around for the game to install after every chapter...meh. I see no advantage either way for the most part.

I would rather swap a DvD disk since they are quick enough to stream content, and the time waiting for the install to complete would be greater than or equal to the time it takes to swap a disk. Assuming you play through the game 3 times or so, and it takes 30 seconds to swap a disk and there are 4-5 disks, that's a grand total of 7.5 minutes which is less than the total time spent installing. The 7.5 minute estimating is probably an overestimate to be honest. I for one know it takes me about 10 seconds to swap two disks...

So citing that the game can't fit on a single dvd disk isn't a knock against the possibility of it going to 360. I don't think it will happen either way anyway.

 

You would need bout 8 dvds tho.. no thanks...

 

Actually you need about 10...

 

Where are you getting 10? Basic Division skills would tell you that assuming they filled a blu-ray disk right to the brim, 25gb on each layer then that's a maximum of 50Gb. A dual layer DvD holds 9Gb....alright, let's continue.

50/9 = 10? Oh wait, it equals 5.6. Not anywhere close to 8, or 10. Then devs normally compress heavily and that number goes down considerably. But in the worst case scenario you're dealing with 6 DvD's. I also have to point again that the time to swap 6 dvd's over the course of 3 play-throughs will be less time than the install times over the course of one play-through.

So please, either point me to your math teacher so I can slap him or point me to where you're getting your info.

 

Ahh what a great game. I'm at the very end on the hardest difficulty (not unlocked difficulties) and it's a pain in the butt (especially when your drunk)

I must say playing this makes me want to go play the old ones again.

 

dont be ignorant, you knew he meant regular DVD's, dont insult his intelligence

 

Why would I know he meant regular DVD's? Why would he mean regualr disks? Games have been printed on Dual layer DVD's since PS2/Xbox days. They would obviously use dual layer disks if they were forced to use multiple disks. He spoke about dual layer Blu Ray disk in one breath and in the next he speaks about single layer DVD's? Now, you're absolutely right that I went over the top, so to speak, with my comment. For that I am sorry, but I don't find it unreasonable to assume he meant dual layer disks.

None-the-less, don't get my position on the matter confused. I don't believe it will ever be ported to Xbox 360. I am just saying that the whole Blu-Ray vs. DVD battle is in no way the limiting factor in the situation. I am saying that printing them on multiple DVD's would be my preferred way to play the game if it meant no install times, or install files eating my hard drive.

Sorry again for my overly agressive post.

 

its not overly agressive, if you did the math....4.4GB into about 50GB is about 10 DVDs, regular DVDS are 4.4GB.....

anyways, Im buying this thursday might up a small review if im in the mood

 

Yes, but why would you do the calculation with regular DVD's is my question. I don't want to start anything again, but it doesn't make sense to say it would take 10 regular dvd's. It would take 20 regular DVD's half full, why don't we use that number instead? The dvd size readable by all other systems, including last-gen systems is 9Gb, so we use 9Gb for the calculation. Just common sense, or am I mising something?

 

Okay, you win

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They have to revoice this.. lol

 

Nope, you're right there. There no doubt in my mind that this game will stay PS3 exclusive as I've said before. It's a shame that there will be so many people that will miss out on this game, lol.

All well, sucks to be them I guess.

 

Splitting the data from one disk up to six would not work, as there are things which would have to be on all disks. Probably not a lot with a game like this, but still...

It is also because of this why something like a huge GTA like game which would fill an entire dual layer Blu-Ray would be pretty much unplayable on dual layer DVD's, and it makes me a sad panda to know we won't see such a game until Microsoft starts shipping their next generation consoles with specs comparable with the PS3's.

 

LoL. I luv'd that part of the game. I was rolling. I had to stop playing for a few minutes

 

Konami and Sony both went on record to say it's a PS3 exclusive, period. I own a PS3 actually a launch system. I talked to a friend who's a manager at a local Gamestop to get his opinion and he said this is the type of game you would like if you are a fan of the series.

He's more like me as we both are Splinter Cell gamers and no surprised he didn't like MGS4. The only MGS game I enjoyed was the first one on the Playstation.

 

And all the better for it.. If you have ever liked MGS then its for you..

A tru Fans game and a phenomonal one at that!

 

It's not for me but enjoy the game.

 

Man unlocking some of this stuff in the game seems impossible.

No alerts, rations, kills, or camo and beat in 5hrs. Who..how...it would take alot of restarts...

 

do you still have to swap camo all the time in the pause menu? that part of mgs3 was cool at first but got pretty annoying. i like being able to change my camo, but didn't like have to do it so manually and so often.

 

You have octocamo. It changes automatically when you lay down or press up against something.

You can also do it manually though thru the pause menu

You can save different patterns also from whatever your suit imitates.

 

big step up.

about porting the game, i could totally imagine the blu-ray joke getting ported for a digital distribution joke... (to pc, not xbox)

"oh, there isn't a disc"

and as far as porting it to the xbox, (now granted i haven't actually played the game) but i honestly wouldn't be surprised if they could fit it on a single dvd9, MAYBE two if its really massive.

compression is really powerful these days, and apparently they didn't feel like it was necessary to do much of that on the ps3 because of blu ray. very little compression of audio, video, textures... but normal games, even in HD, can take advantage of massive breakthroughs in compression.

i just wouldn't be surprised if it was possible to fit the game in 1/5 of the space that it is currently taking, especially if they didn't do much compression on anything as it is.

but that would detract a lot from the pro blu ray jokes on the ps3...

but i think "there is no disc" wouldn't... i dont know, i just really want to play mgs4 and im not buying a ps3.
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but yeah- there is a solid chance it wont happen for the xbox or the pc...