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    Mobile Pascal TDP Tweaker Update and Feedback Thread

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Coolane, Jun 20, 2017.

  1. tanzmeister

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    That's the thing, I can locate it in the n850hp6 1060, but not at the n850hk1 1050ti!
     
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    Any chance you can take a high-res picture of the board for us?
     
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    Hi all,I've just modified my laptop gtx 1070 bios tdp downloaded from techpowerup.But in nvflash with certificate checks bypassed,when I prompt the nvflash -6 ,it show me an error that says that the firmwire subsystem ID is different from that on the onboard graphic.
    Is there a way to change that parameter ?

    Thanks in advance
     
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    hey guys anyone here trying to mod pascal vbios on alienware 13 r3 to unlock tdp limit?
     
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    @leeloyd saw you flashed an unlocked vbios to your aw 15. Would you please be so kind to help me with unlocking the vbios of my aw 13?
    I think that this must be the same procedure? Please correct me if i´m wrong.
     
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    I sent you a PM with the steps an needed hardware. If you need extra info or picture you can look at this thread about my 15R3 GTX 1070 Bios mod on a French board or ask here.
     
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    @Coolane need your help please.

    Flashed the vbios, modded with the tdp pascal tweaker today but there are no changes in maximum tdp and however i changed tdp from fixed to adjustable i can't change it in msi afterburner..
    I got an aw 13 r3 gtx 1060.
     
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    Did you raise the maximum TDP? If the "Target" TDP has the same value with the "Limit" TDP, then the slider won't work.
    For example, if your 1060 has 78/88W TDP, you can raise the "Limit" to 98/108W, then you can adjust it through Afterburner.
     
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    @Coolane

    The vbios will 100% sure flashed on the chip but nothing actually changed woth my tdp... i don't know what i should do..please help me..

    Edit: i'm now trying to lower the tdp values under my stock tdp to look whether it has some effects.

    Edit 2: even the changes under my stock tdp values has no effekt to the gpu power.


    Whats wrong there?
     
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    Can anybody here edit my vbios manually? I would really appreciate it..
     
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    How can we edit the vbios if we don't know where to get it?
    Where is it? Post it?
     
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    I dont know what's wrong with your Bios mod, but your checksum is wrong.
    Did you use the "preset" button first? If you don't, then the power limits won't be increased.
    The checksum should say 01531800 (22222848)
    At least it does on mine.
    I have no idea where you got your checksum from.
    But try this.
     

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    @Falkentyne thank you for your help! Is this my aw 13 dump vbios in modded version? no didn´t used the present button first and the uploaded vbios is the dump from my little beast..

    Actually if i opened the dump in the mini pro software before flashing, the checksum you´ve mentioned is shown there...

    i´ll give it a try tomorrow and will post the results :)
     
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    @Falkentyne

    Flashed it today but nothing changed..
    Tdp never raised above 78 and i couldn't adjust the slider in afterburner..
     
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    Can you open GPUZ, click on the "Advanced" tab, and select "NVIDIA BIOS" in the drop down list?
    You can see if the Default and Maximum TDP values under "Power Limit" matched with what you set in the BIOS.
    Maybe the vBIOS wasn't successfully flashed to the chip-set.
     
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    http://www83.zippyshare.com/v/6FsxwcdM/file.html


    I uploaded the pictures here cause they were to big.
    But unfortunately there was no power limit under the tab..
    Yesterday i thought the same of that the vbios maybe not flashed right but then i changed one value in the date of the vbios, flashed it, read it again and the value i changed was soccesfully read... currently i'm running the stock vbios again..
     
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    Wait a minute
    you changed a value in the DATE of the vbios?!?!
    You did this with Hex editor?

    Did you correct the checksum afterwards?
     
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    Yes after i did this i load the date modded rom into tdp pascal editor und pressed fix checksum... currently i'm running your vbios @Falkentyne without any problems but with the stock tdp
     
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    So the changes are applied and can be read, but they are ignored by the GPU's power management ?
     
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    Exactly. The vbios was flashed succesfull. When i read the vbios again i could see the changes i did in hex editor. After this test i reflashed to the original dump.
    And i think that as you said the power managemenr ignores the changes or my vbios is different to others and the tdp pascal editor won't recognize the values needed to change for higher tdp.

    @Coolane does now have a look over my vbios and i hope that he can find something that causes this strange behaviour..
     
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  24. Timbabs123

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    Could anyone link me the right 'Arduino female-to-female kit cables' to use for my flash process, cant seem to find the right one on ebay as referenced in the pictures.

    EDIT, will these suit the purpose: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dupont-C...hash=item2a7cd50c7f:m:mGqVKYcZq22pldEPWZ9ovUQ

    Also please which chip am I connecting the 'Pomona 5250 8pin SOIC Test Clip' to?

    Is it the that says winbond on it with the blue pin hole or the other one with the white pin whole. I can link a picture if needed for clarification
     
  25. Falkentyne

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    These will work:

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dupont-J...&sd=182482963583&_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1

    The ones I bought had several varieties in a bundle, so I actually originally used 'female to female' cables and hooked the pomona clip up to a rectangular soic8 adapter, but that adapter isn't needed at all (it's for using 'prebuilt' SOIC8 test clips), without the soic8 prebuilt clip (like the el-cheapo ones that already come with wires and a fixed black 8 pin plug), you use the much better Pomona clip directly to the 1.8v adapter (male to female).

    Usually the flash chip is either Winbond or Macronix, and most video cards only have one chip on there that is the correct size. If you are unsure, you can always do a *READ* command and look at the data on there first :) Just remember to line up PIN-1 correctly on the Pomona IC clip wire to pin-1 on the 1.8v (top left to top left in same orientation (long rectangle shape top to bottom). Pin 1 on the bios chip will be at the top right corner, by the indentation shown on the bios chip.

    Why does your 1070 have two 8 pin chips?
     
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    I think one is for the cpu but am not sure

    I will send a picture when I get home.

    And in regards to the cable that means I need a male to female one if am to use it directly

    Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
     
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    You mean mainboard, not CPU. The CPU doesn't have a Bios chip.

    Just do a "read" on the chip. use the 1.8v adapter.
    If it can't read it, then read the other one instead.
    Most likely the winbond one is the video card bios. I would start with that.
    I would not try reading the video card bios chip without the 1.8v adapter (you can fry it) even though the motherboard one will probably not work WITH the adapter.
     
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    The vBIOS of the onboard 1060 is different with the MXM one, I modded you one to try and please see if it will work.
     
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    @Coolane tried your vbios but it seems like i got more throtteling than before. Now i have pwr and v-rel even if i open gpu-z and do the little "stress test" in gpu-z.
     
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    Did you change the power limit in MSI Afterburner yet?
    VREL is normal. In most TDP limited cards, you will see VREL, and see it more often at a higher TDP setting. VREL simply means that the current voltage is too low to have the card automatically overclock to a higher core speed, so the automatic overclocking is being limited by "Reliability voltage."

    The slider should go past 100 (100%) now. the 100 is the default (target) and and what you change is up to the (Limit).
    To check if it really changed, try using HWinfo64, use the newest version of RTSS (you can run RTSS without running MSI afterburner), and set HWinfo64 to monitor the power draw. To see the power draw, you will need the HWinfo64 sensor tab open, along with RTSS.
     
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    @Falkentyne I did this already.. the power slider in afterburner is not adjustable. Thats my problem. And i do use the newest version of hwmonitor64 to monitor the gpu power consumption and it never raised above 73 with the new modded vbios from @Coolane

    I tried to adjust the slider with afterburner and with nvinspector to look if one program doesn't recognize the changes...but both don't let me change the power limit..
     
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    The 1.8v adapter is REQUIRED. Without it you will burn out the bios chip!

    The video card has a 1.8v bios chip; most flashers use a 2.6v-3.3v source, thus the 1.8v adapter is required. Some hard to find flashers have an 'extra' row of 8 sockets (giving it 24 holes instead of 20 holes, like Coolane has), where the far bottom row has inline 1.8v, but few flashers have that. BTW on normal flashers, the 1.8v adapter (Or if you were flashing a mainboard Bios, that uses 3.3v), the wires without the adapter, use the slots *closest* to the locking arm. The same applies to the 1.8v adapter itself.

    I was referring to the "SOIC8" adapter, which is a retangular 'blue' or 'green' colored adapter. That is not needed when building your own clip +wires, which you are doing. The soic8 adapter is only required when buying "prebuilt" clips with wires that have a 'fused' attachment block on it--you aren't using those crappy prebuilt clips--you're making your own (Pomona+wires). On most of the 'prebuilt' clips, the soic8 adapter is attached to it already, or comes with it. Thus you won't need that. Yes you 'can' use it if you actually choose to, but there's no point, plus you would need female to female (separated cables, like the male to female ones you linked, except female on both ends) to use that, since that plugs into the 1.8v adapter. Dont worry about it--you don't need it anymore. The male to female ones; the male end plugs into the 1.8v, the female end into the Pomona IC clip.

    You want the first dupont cables. The ones where each cable is separate. The male to female ones.
    The fixed cables with the fused blocks on the second one won't work at all.
     
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    @Coolane just used the modded vbios you made me for MSI GTX1060 changed the target and limit to 90w and 115w. Its really released the GPU just using stock clocks I am getting 10,000+ points in firemark nearly 4k on timespy. Max draw was 98w temps at 68c. This tool rocks will keep it at the new settings now.

    Thanks for the tool and help!

    Sent from my SHIELD Tablet K1 using Tapatalk

    Edit: Seems like something is weird on this, Using stock clocks and only GPU Boost 3.0

    Power Target set to 100w: https://www.3dmark.com/fs/14178249
    Power Target set to 115w: https://www.3dmark.com/fs/14178280

    Surely the extra 15w should help boost 3.0 better. Both pulled 172w from the wall.

    I have attached hwinfo of both runs.
     

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    Alright then thank a lot. I will order them by soon should arrive mid-week ishh. I will update when the tools arrive
     
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    @Falkentyne This is a picture of the main board showing the 2 bios chips, one says win-bond and the other not sure I will have to open it again to have a better look.
     

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    If that says MXLC that's probably the chip. But just do a read on it with the 1.8v adapter and see if it's a video bios. Only way to be sure.
     
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    I have exactly same behavior on my Clevo RP65xPR6 with GTX1060 6Gb (no MXM card, no G-Sync). I can confirm that flashing process have done correctly (tried with different vbios versions to be sure that firmware was flashed and switched 100%). I've monitored power draw in HWinfo64 and double check frequencies, but no luck. Nothing changed... Community, pls help =)

    Here is my original vbios file - http://dropmefiles.com/rhYK6
     
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    If you look at the writings near your vbios chips (on the left from vbios chips on your photo) you will notice that left belongs to DGPU (U40), and right - to Optimus (U42). I suppose that you are using dGPU mode then flash left chip. I also have two vbios SOIC8 and since I use discrete mode only I found which one I should flash on schematic diagram...
     
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    @StepSon you got it to work now?
    I don't know if my problem is related to the oled screen...
     
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    No. TDP limit is still around 80 watts...
     
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    No. TDP limit is still around 80 watts...
     
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    @StepSon does your computer has optimus? Which chip do you flashed on your motherboard?
    I got two chips next to my gpu, both winbond and on both is an vbios flashed. If i flash the ug13 chip with clevo vbios nothing changed. If i flash the ug15 chip with e.g. the clevo vbios provided by @Coolane my vbios version changed. So i think i need to edit the vbios on my ug15 chip. I have already sent the vbios dump from the ug15 chip to coolane for modding but unfortunately i didn't find time yet for modding it. I hope that he will respond within the next days.
     
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    Yes, I switched to discrete mode in bios and flashed non optimus chip (according to schematics, I've double-check everything) and nothing changed.... I can confirm that I my vbios version is changing when I trying to flash older one... Or newer than before. Something wrong with the modification itself...
     
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    Unfortunately i can't change in bios to discrete mode concerning to the oled panel...
    Does your vbios version changed after flashing another vbios?

    Gesendet von meinem SM-G950F mit Tapatalk
     
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    Sure thing. I see that vbios version changes after programming with SKYPRO...
     
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    Than you faced absolutely the same problem as me. I don't know what to do to force the gpu using more power. Is your slider in afterburner grayed out?

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    Yes, it is inactive... Grayed
     
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    @hans12321 @StepSon

    Try using a bat file to see if you can adjust the Power. But first test the command will work

    Use the following commands in elevated admin CMD:

    Code:
    cd C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NVSMI\
    nvidia-smi -i 0 -pl xx
    
    If that works then make a .bat or .cmd file with the code below. It will say the following if it works
    Code:
    Power limit for GPU 00000000:01:00.0 was set to 95.00 W from 90.00 W.
    All done.
    

    Code:
    @echo Off
    echo Increasing Power Limit
    cd C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NVSMI\
    nvidia-smi -i 0 -pl xx
    echo Powerlimit Increased
    
    Change the xx value to a with in the Target and Limit ranges of your modded vbios so for example in my case thats now Target: 90 Limit: 115 which means i can set the xx from 90 - 115.

    Just bare in mind you'll need to use something like GPU-Z or HWinfo to see what the power usage was and every reboot will place the Power Limit back to stock if it works.
     
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    Thank you for your answer! Do i need to flash the modded vbios first to use these commands?

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